Greg Morris - Trimmed Card? Proper Response?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I don't know anything about these cards, so I don't know if size / photo cropping differences are normal, but I'm not sure how much more a seller can do.

Doug

They could update the listing to note the card is altered and trimmed.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

They could update the listing to note the card is altered and trimmed.

Except that their opinion is "this card does not appear to be trimmed".

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Except that their opinion is that "this card does not appear to be trimmed".

Their opinion appears to be contrary to the obvious.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Their opinion appears to be contrary to the obvious.

I don't disagree, but as I said in an earlier post, I don't know anything about these cards, so I don't know if size / photo cropping differences are normal.

What I do know is that offering a refund to an unhappy buyer seems to me like a good deal for the buyer. If they think there is a chance that the card is not trimmed, they can get it in hand, decide for themselves, and then return if they need to.

If they think there is no chance that the card isn't trimmed, then they shouldn't buy it from him to begin with, but if they do, they can then return it if they decide that they were right all along.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I don't disagree, but as I said in an earlier post, I don't know anything about these cards, so I don't know if size / photo cropping differences are normal.

What I do know is that offering a refund to an unhappy buyer seems to me like a good deal for the buyer. If they think there is a chance that the card is not trimmed, they can get it in hand, decide for themselves, and then return if they need to.

If they think there is no chance that the card isn't trimmed, then they shouldn't buy it from him to begin with, but if they do, they can then return it if they decide that they were right all along.

The card is significantly short beyond natural variance, in both directions. That should be disclosed.

You said you didn’t know what more they could do. What they could do is list it honestly after being informed.

I don’t think it’s okay to list an altered card without noting it, but refunding the buyer if they catch it and ask for one because you didn’t disclose the truth, just like Jaimet. The Will Jaimet standard is not a good one and nobody could really defend it.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by G1911

The card is significantly short beyond natural variance, in both directions. That should be disclosed.

You said you didn’t know what more they could do. What they could do is list it honestly after being informed.

I don’t think it’s okay to list an altered card without noting it, but refunding the buyer if they catch it and ask for one because you didn’t disclose the truth, just like Jaimet. The Will Jaimet standard is not a good one and nobody could really defend it.

The seller, who I assume has the card in hand, doesn't think it's trimmed.

There are a number of people who think it is trimmed based on the picture, which were posted by the seller.

In my opinion, Will Jaimet is not a valid analogy to the seller.

This will be my final post on this thread, because you and I are having a conversation similar to those had on the death penalty or abortion or whether Trump was/is an asshole, neither of us is "wrong".

I respect your opinion (far more than those of the opinion sellers), and hope that you use that opinion to not purchase the card.

Best regards,
Doug "I wish I was trimmed" Goodman

[Lorewalker]

I think after reading some of the threads on the other forum about Will Jaimet, the comparison to Greg Morris and this 47 Spahn is highly invalid but I do get the point Greg was trying to make.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I don't disagree, but as I said in an earlier post, I don't know anything about these cards, so I don't know if size / photo cropping differences are normal.

What I do know is that offering a refund to an unhappy buyer seems to me like a good deal for the buyer. If they think there is a chance that the card is not trimmed, they can get it in hand, decide for themselves, and then return if they need to.

If they think there is no chance that the card isn't trimmed, then they shouldn't buy it from him to begin with, but if they do, they can then return it if they decide that they were right all along.

+1. Although I do not collect these, they do seem to have some slight variance in size and can be found a little miscut. I would be more concerned about the missing left side than I would be about the top-bottom, but then again, trimming is trimming if that in fact occurred.

Seems to me that between the Ebay review and the Seller's agreement to refund if buyer is unhappy (as in no need to prove it was trimmed) there is adequate protection. Combined with my confidence in this seller generally, I would not have a problem bidding, nor would I consider his opinion that the card is untrimmed to be some sort of attempt to cheat me.

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe Ted Z. can chime in, since he collects these from back when they were issued.