Does this "two faced" Jack White tell us anything about the printing?

[Pat R]

I just picked up this Jack White from Scott and in doing a little research I found a couple of similar examples, all of them also had the same defects on the back so is it just a coincidence or did the sheet placement of these Jack White cards have something to do with the registration being off on the front.

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[jggames]

Hey Pat, in your plate scratch research was there ever a subject that had a front-print-anomaly (with a plate scratch) that also showed up without that front-print-anomaly (and still had the plate scratch)?

[Howe’s Hunter]

When a printer has an opportunity to create a beautiful card and they muck it up? Pat, if you decide that back-stamped card is just too ugly for your collection, I know somebody who would be interested …

[steve B]

It's possible the transfer for that position on the black plate was laid down too far left. If it wasn't consistent with the back flaws I'd say it was just registration, but if it was there should be just as many off like that without the back flaws.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by jggames

Hey Pat, in your plate scratch research was there ever a subject that had a front-print-anomaly (with a plate scratch) that also showed up without that front-print-anomaly (and still had the plate scratch)?

Yes there are plate scratches with print flaws and no I've never seen one with that scratch that didn't have the flaw.


All of the Cicotte's with this particular scratch have the red/pink mark on the border under his waist.

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All of the Konetchy's that have this scratch also have the blue spot on his cheek.

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Howe’s Hunter

When a printer has an opportunity to create a beautiful card and they muck it up? Pat, if you decide that back-stamped card is just too ugly for your collection, I know somebody who would be interested …

I purchased it because of the "ugly" Ed but Scott just listed one on ebay if you need one.

I noticed there are several that have other stamps and writing do you know anything about them? I thought he collected all of the cards when they were distributed or am I mistaking.

[Howe’s Hunter]

While after 20 plus years I’d gotten 395, the 950 plus find revealed several new things. I’d never seen any with what we can only guess was Howe’s writing on them. I’d never seen any with more than one stamp. And just the sheer randomness of what cards he had, ones he had multiples of, and commons he had none of is still a head scratcher.

One thing to consider … both the McCormick family and the Howe family lived above the McCormick Howe Grocery. Howe had a sister approximately four years younger than him, and a cousin who was the child of his uncle John Howe that was younger than his sister. Maybe the younger ones got into his stash of cards one day while he was at school with their rooster rubber stamp on and scribbled on the cards? Howe, as an adult, told his daughters friend Ron that he never traded for cards or gave any away. Everything he got was from the store and was either the cards left by buyers of cigarettes that didn’t want them, or perhaps his father and/or uncle were smokers. But the writing and stamps would have to be from within the family.

[ALBB]

Now there was another guy from the old neighborhood named Jack White, and he was a back stabbing, two faced liar ..as I recall

[mybuddyinc]

Pat, I also just noticed that all your White examples all have a printer's mark on front bottom border. Don't know if that helps anything.

As far as "who got into Howe's show box" it could also be that the "other marked" cards belonged to someone else, who then gave them back to Howe.

There were only two "Rooster Stamps" -- Brain and Myers, bat.
Others included --
A penciled "M" (maybe ~50)
A "what the heck" ink scribble, all of which, I believe, were on Baltimore cards (less than 10).

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Fun, fun, Scott