Opinions on PSA 9 Cobb

[iowadoc77]

From Joe O’s twitter page.
Re holder of PSA 9 Cobb
Opinions?

https://mobile.twitter.com/joeorland...76057405820928

[ullmandds]

I dont like the lower rt corner...but who am I?

[chalupacollects]

Not a 9 with that mark on the upper left....also might be something in the sky by the bat? not sure if that is on all copies...

Why the re-holder?

[Jobu]

Pete Ullman???

😁

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I dont like the lower rt corner...but who am I?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Pete Ullman???

😁

shhhhhhhhhh!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

floats in the holder on sides. Not conclusive but I wonder about top to bottom especially.

[ullmandds]

At this point in time...any 100 year old card in an 8,9 or 10 holder is guilty until proven innocent...imo.

[iowadoc77]

The print mark first caught my eye but also how? Just how in the heck did that card survive and look like that still today?
Conservation maybe? Just a thought.

[bigfish]

Horrifying top and bottom edge!

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

floats in the holder on sides. Not conclusive but I wonder about top to bottom especially.

+1 card looks a little short to me, especially the top border; you see that OC top bottom in piedmont 150 but not so much in Sweet Caps. At best there is a slight diamond cut. Bottom line, whoever wins this at auction is buying the flip, not the card.

[MVSNYC]

I always look at two things first with high grade...

1. Does it strike me as “short” compared to other cards in the same set? YES.

2. Is the bottom edge parallel with the top edge? NO. Even in the case of diamond cuts, legit cards have parallel edges. Not the case here, unfortunately.

So, I’d personally avoid it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I always look at two things first with high grade...

1. Does it strike me as “short” compared to other cards in the same set? YES.

2. Is the bottom edge parallel with the top edge? NO.

So, I’d personally avoid it.

I am doing the exact same critiquing nowadays. No short cards or ones that just don't look right. And please, let me have big borders. This is just about a perfect card for me.....the slab is somewhat meaningless.

[Rhotchkiss]

Meanwhile, I wonder who is the owner that wanted it reholdered and why did they want it reholdered?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

It also breaks my heart if that card is altered. Pre-grading days that card would've been the find of a lifetime even before it was "perfected" now it's quite possibly destroyed.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Meanwhile, I wonder who is the owner that wanted it reholdered and why did they want it reholdered?

Good point. Could have been in a really old holder or maybe looking to sell
But lots of questions on this one.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It also breaks my heart if that card is altered. Pre-grading days that card would've been the find of a lifetime even before it was "perfected" now it's quite possibly destroyed.

So true. Very sad

[iowadoc77]

Apparently I can’t read. Says it is headed to auction soon. Should be interesting. Will go for a ton!

[swarmee]

Well, it was graded a very long time ago with a "02" at the beginning of the cert number. So if it was trimmed, it was done way back in the early days.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Well, it was graded a very long time ago with a "02" at the beginning of the cert number. So if it was trimmed, it was done way back in the early days.

Daniel Desmond (DP in the article) did a long interview with VCBC in 1996. He had altered thousands at that time and is still doing it today. Time means nothing.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=270622


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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Daniel Desmond (DP in the article) did a long interview with VCBC in 1996. He had altered thousands at that time and is still doing it today. Time means nothing.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=270622


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When I got into collecting in the 80's several old time dealers said they trimmed cards back in the 70's all the time. Nobody seemed to care because they were old cards and it made them look better.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

At this point in time...any 100 year old card in an 8,9 or 10 holder is guilty until proven innocent...imo.

My choice for post of the year.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

My choice for post of the year.

Completely agree +1

I enjoy buying rare cards with very low pop as the condition does not matter as much. Plus postcards with the stamp on the back. Never got involved in the registry and never will.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

The print mark first caught my eye but also how? Just how in the heck did that card survive and look like that still today?
Conservation maybe? Just a thought.

Gee do ya think? Knowing what we all know, there is ZERO chance that card has not been soaked in a chemical bath and then trimmed. Cards from that era simply never looked like that in my lifetime.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Apparently I can’t read. Says it is headed to auction soon. Should be interesting. Will go for a ton!

great, then you can add it to the running total as the scam gets up closer to a billion.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Apparently I can’t read. Says it is headed to auction soon. Should be interesting. Will go for a ton!

If it goes for a ton, then the buyer better really like the label/flip. That's in a PSA holder? Kinda surprised to see that....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fred

If it goes for a ton, then the buyer better really like the label/flip. That's in a PSA holder? Kinda surprised to see that....

What's remotely surprising about it?

It simply accompanies tens of thousands of other altered cards just like it (in numbered PSA slabs). I'd be way more surprised if they had correctly labeled it for the "A" it is.

[ejharrington]

I don’t like the bottom edge. Looks like bat ears. I would definitely ask for measurements if I were a potential buyer.

[iowadoc77]

I started the post as sort of a rhetorical question
I think we can mostly agree it doesn’t look great for the past history of this card.
But we all know there are plenty of people happy to buy the flip. And someone will with this one. For a ton of cash. I apologize if I am wrong but pretty sure I am not on this one.
Will be an interesting auction to follow when it comes up.

I think the beauty of old cards is in them looking believable and looking old. This card is beautiful but artificially so I think. So don’t love it. Would feel much better about a nice well centered 3 with wear on the corners.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

I started the post as sort of a rhetorical question
I think we can mostly agree it doesn’t look great for the past history of this card.
But we all know there are plenty of people happy to buy the flip. And someone will with this one. For a ton of cash. I apologize if I am wrong but pretty sure I am not on this one.
Will be an interesting auction to follow when it comes up.

I think the beauty of old cards is in them looking believable and looking old. This card is beautiful but artificially so I think. So don’t love it. Would feel much better about a nice well centered 3 with wear on the corners.

Great observations and completely agree. A large part of the charm is the natural wear a card endures over the past 110 years. Razor sharp corners and edges only make it look suspect.

[insidethewrapper]

How can a card come off the printing press, be cut, be put into a cigarette pack at the factory 110 years ago, it's then removed from the pack and touched etc. and look like that ? We all know it's impossible. Sad money is made and spent after altered cards like this.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

How can a card come off the printing press, be cut, be put into a cigarette pack at the factory 110 years ago, it's then removed from the pack and touched etc. and look like that ? We all know it's impossible. Sad money is made and spent after altered cards like this.

You nailed it. Well said

[seff]

My 100 year old cards are graded PSA 1 through 3 mostly. I've always had doubts about any card PSA-1950 that grades a 7 or higher.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am doing the exact same critiquing nowadays. No short cards or ones that just don't look right. And please, let me have big borders. This is just about a perfect card for me.....the slab is somewhat meaningless.

Off centered top to bottom to the point you can see the name on the top... Atrocious! Who could love a card like that?

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

At this point in time...any 100 year old card in an 8,9 or 10 holder is guilty until proven innocent...imo.

Agree, and I don't like that top border.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

At this point in time...any 100 year old card in an 8,9 or 10 holder is guilty until proven innocent...imo.

Another vote for post of the year!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by perezfan

What's remotely surprising about it?

It simply accompanies tens of thousands of other altered cards just like it (in numbered PSA slabs). I'd be way more surprised if they had correctly labeled it for the "A" it is.

Yeah, I know, what should surprise me about that.... I would have figured that in light of what's going on these days, SCRUTINY would be a key word for PSA and Joe. Apparently scrutiny is something subjective, like grading.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Fred

Yeah, I know, what should surprise me about that.... I would have figured that in light of what's going on these days, SCRUTINY would be a key word for PSA and Joe. Apparently scrutiny is something subjective, like grading.

But cashing in is not subjective. And they continue to cash in.

[Leon]

What is the over/under on Cobby? 100k? 250k? 500k? 750K+ It will go for huge bucks.

[LincolnVT]

Very few mint Cobbs out there from his playing years! A lot I would think.

Originally Posted by Leon

What is the over/under on Cobby? 100k? 250k? 500k? 750K+ It will go for huge bucks.

[RedsFan1941]

lol. never misses an opportunity.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

lol. never misses an opportunity.

Heeheehee

[Fred]

My Christmas wish:

All bidders for that Cobb become a bit more sophisticated in their bidding and "just say NO" to BS grading and unrealistic subjectivity and send a message to the ass-clowns that fill our hobby with bullshit.

Ok, I'm also a realist, therefore that adage of "wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which fills up faster" will probably apply because there are enough ignoramus's out there willing to buy a number on a label.

At least the true hobbyists will know it's just another Gretzky Wagner.... Leon, my hope is < $100K, but there's enough knuckle heads that will drive it past $250K.

To end this on a positive note: Season's greetings to all and be safe for the holidays.

[ullmandds]

Id say over 250k

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Id say over 250k

Seems very likely

[RedsFan1941]

at least $19,200

[LincolnVT]

Lol, never misses an opportunity.

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

at least $19,200

[Shoeless Moe]

better questions are....


if it's sold at Heritage how high will their in-house bids be on it, and when they win it when will they re-auction it at Heritage in 1 year? 2 years? 4 years?


if it's sold at Lelands what will the shipping charge be?


if it's sold at Hunts will they show a pix of the back?


if it's sold at Crazy Uncle will they still be in business when the auction ends and how many emails will it take by the winner to them to get it shipped?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by shoeless moe

better questions are....


If it's sold at heritage how high will their in-house bids be on it, and when they win it when will they re-auction it at heritage in 1 year? 2 years? 4 years?


If it's sold at lelands what will the shipping charge be?


If it's sold at hunts will they show a pix of the back?


If it's sold at crazy uncle will they still be in business when the auction ends and how many emails will it take by the winner to them to get it shipped?

hahahahahaha!!!!!!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

at least $19,200

hahahahahaha

[pokerplyr80]

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