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I hope that my questions regarding the T215-2 Steinfeldt didn't contribute to this thread trailing off... There's some interesting stuff in here!
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I've been away for Christmas. Good holiday with family There should be more Piedmonts. Interestingly, the old SGC pop report shows 7 SC backs for Murr'y. That there aren't more Piedmonts could be that they just haven't turned up. Or that Murr'y was on a smaller sheet that didn't see much Piedmont use. Or that Murr'y was printed on a sheet that was full size but intended for smaller brands, or before/after Murray on a normal Piedmont sheet and a handful get run as leftovers or fill to finish an order. And yes. It could be plate damage instead, but it just doesn't seem "right" for plate damage. Even if it was something like a stone chip grinding off part of the A there should be small chips/scratches around that area. Unless it's a result of some sort of shenanigans by the press operator stoning off part of the A..... But that's getting pretty far removed from the simplest explanation, which is often the closest to correct. A corrected Murr'y would be quite a prize if it's identifiable (As would a provable Murray before some damage) Mysteries like this are the biggest reason I want to really study each individual card in fine detail. Decent scans are really hard to get. I did a test with Magie, and came up with at least 8 individually identifiable groups. And could probably get to 12 with a closer look at more scans. Most 150's and 350's were printed at least 3 different times, with clear differences on some cards. I haven't really looked hard at the 350-460's but I'd expect at least two different for all but a handful of cards. |
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Thanks for all of the input everyone.
David, thank you for posting your card. That is a new one, I will add it to my first post. Any chance you have a scan of the Piedmont?? Great thoughts Pat and Steve. After thinking about what you have each added, I think I am more confused than when I started. Pat, you raise good points about this error only being at a single position on one sheet and the likelihood that it wasn't fixed after it happened (until the fronts were laid out again). Steve, I think it might be more than just improper transfer given the print dot from the caption that is next to the logo - that seems like the caption was printed and then something knocked a piece off, no? Another question: How likely is it that multiple presses were set up to run the cards? If it would have been extremely likely to have only been a single press, then that will help answer some question. Brass Rat Steve, that is a cool find and I have no idea what to make of it.
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I'll use the Davis AMEP as an example of why I think you have the
numbers you see on the Murr'ay's. The Davis AMEP is on one of the plate scratch sheets that based on the scratches I know is at least 12 same vertical subjects high So only one out of twelve Davis cards printed from this sheet would have the flaw. I have a Davis AMEP. Can't be too many of these around. I wish it would get some love... |
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Would be interested in a tolstoi backed murr’y if anyone wants to part w one.
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The stones were made using transfers printed from a master. Think like the old iron ons, or fake tattoos. Only printed with a very thick ink like tar onto an easily dissolved paper. It would get placed on the stone with solvent to make it stick, then the paper would be removed. The Murr'y would be from a position where most of the A peeled of along with the backing paper. That's what I meant by a bad transfer. It's entirely possible there were multiple presses set up. I think it's likely given the approximate production, and the typical sheets/hour the presses could manage. There's also a few things that point towards at least one multi color press being used. And that most cards went to press at least three times with slightly different art. And that the print groups now considered standard were a nice start, but not entirely accurate, just a decent basic framework to fit things into. I generally don't get into that stuff unless it's directly important to a discussion, as it takes an already complicated subject, and makes it even more complicated. |
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I wonder if such small numbers of sheets were used in order to fill out pallets that were close to being shipped? "Hey Mac (it's NYC, there were no Bubba's ), let's top up those Tolstoi and Lenox pallets before we ship them outta here!"
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