Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

Resource claims Chase (blue portrait) and Mathewson (dark cap) are "confirmed" with DRUM....well let's see some scans to verify this is true ? ?

It's their same type of claims that Ames is confirmed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. Or, their claims that Chance (batting), Bergen (catching),
Murray (portrait), Overall (blue sky) are "confirmed" with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42.


Sorry, but these claims are "fake news" !


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, maybe you should be careful who you accuse of "fake news".

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[t206kid]

These are where my numbers are coming from. Plus, on my spreadsheet (again admittedly data is a few months old) I have 235 cards individually attributed to players.

[t206kid]

Doing some spreadsheet manipulation...

Of the 28 confirmed BL460s, 19 (67.8%) have a combined population of 1, 2, or 3. Highest pop BL460 is a tie between Rucker pitching and Willis throwing with 6.

Of the 58 confirmed Uzits, 25 (43.1%) have a combined population of 1, 2, or 3. Highest pop Uzit is at tie between Cobb bat off, Jennings both hands, and Merkle throwing with 12.

[tedzan]

Jay

I checked-out the data for every UZIT subject (58) listed inn both PSA and SGC. My combined total for PSA and SGC resulted in 178 graded cards.

I subtracted the PSA Herzog from this total since he was reported twice.

I don't know where those numbers you have came from ? ?


TED Z
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[t206kid]

Those are the pop reports sorted by back...and then the total of all the data in the column as added/reported by the grading company. If you're adding up individually perhaps you're missing cards that are unattributed to a specific pose. If I add up all the cards I have attributed to players I get 235. With the 235 I am definitely not double counting.

[t206kid]

Gonna try a cut and paste so it might get ugly...

Abbaticchio Ed Blue Sleeves 1
Ames Red Hands above Head 0
Ball Neal Cleveland 0
Bell George Follow Thru 1
Berger Heinie 7
Bradley Bill Batting 2
Bridwell Al Cap 0
Burch Al Fielding 3
Camnitz Howie Arm at Side 0
Camnitz Howie Hands Over Head 0
Chase Hal Holding Trophy 6
Cobb Ty Bat off Shoulder 12
Conroy Wid Batting 3
Crandall Doc Cap 2
Crawford Sam Batting 5
Frill John 1
Geyer Rube 3
Herzog Buck Boston 2
Hummell John 1
Jennings Hughie One Hand Shows 2
Jennings Hughie Both Hands Show 12
Jordan Tim Batting 8
Lajoie Nap Batting 3
Lake Joe Ball 1
Lake Joe No Ball 8
Latham Arlie 10
Leach Tommy Fielding 6
Leifield Lefty Batting 3
Manning Rube Pitching 5
Marquard Rube Pitching 5
McGraw John Portrait with Cap 2
McQuillan George Batting 9
Merkle Fred Throwing 12
Mullin George Batting 6
Murray Red Portrait 1
Oldring Rube Batting 2
Overall Orval Hands at Waist 1
Overall Orval Hands Face Level 2
Pelty Barney Vertical 4
Pfeister Jake Throwing 6
Schaefer Germany Washington 5
Schlei Admiral Batting 5
Schlei Admiral Portrait 6
Schulte Wildfire Back View 0
Seymour Cy Portrait 10
Sheckard Jimmy Glove Showing 1
Smith Frank Chicago & Boston 7
Smith Happy 1
Steinfeldt Harry Batting 8
Tinker Joe Bat on Shoulder 1
Tinker Joe Bat off Shoulder 1
Wagner Heinie Bat on Rt Shoulder 8
White Doc Throwing 2
Wilhelm Kaiser Batting 4
Willetts Ed Willets 4
Willis Vic Batting 5
Wiltse Hooks Portrait with Cap 3
Wiltse Hooks Pitching 7
TOTAL: 235

[Rhotchkiss]

Jay, your list implies there is only one (1) Tinker Bat Off Uzit, but according to pop reports, this is one of four (although one may be a crossover). Sorry, couldn’t help it!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, maybe you should be careful who you accuse of "fake news".

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There goes that libelous Mr. Archive again!

[tedzan]

Hey Pat


Looks like you stayed up till 1 AM in the morning searching thru my 6896 posts trying to find something negative to "slam" me with.
This is not the 1st time you have resorted to this type of "negative" posts here against me. You have done this numerous times over
the past years.

I have never INITIATED negative posts against you. However, I have responded to your's. As Billy Joel once said...... "I DIDN'T START THIS FIRE" !

For whatever reason(s), you seem to have a problem with me. Well, just email me and we can discuss whatever privately online. I'm an easy going
guy and I'm sure we can resolve our differences privately.

Anyway, your time would be better spent informing your buddies at T206resource that they are misleading T206 collectors by claiming the following
cards are confirmed.....

Ames (hands above head) with AB 460
Ames (hands above head) with UZIT

Chance (batting) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Bergen (catching) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Murray (portrait) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Overall (blue sky) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42

Hey guy, I am not the only one on this forum that has told them of these errors in their listings.


Incidentally, that old post of mine regarding the blue Chase with a DRUM back was a mistake. I subsequently corrected it. I have been
looking for this DRUM card since the mid-1980's to complete my blue Chase sub-set...…









TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Pat


Looks like you stayed up till 1 AM in the morning searching thru my 6896 posts trying to find something negative to "slam" me with.
This is not the 1st time you have resorted to this type of "negative" posts here against me. You have done this numerous times over
the past years.

I have never INITIATED negative posts against you. However, I have responded to your's. As Billy Joel once said...... "I DIDN'T START THIS FIRE" !

For whatever reason(s), you seem to have a problem with me. Well, just email me and we can discuss whatever privately online. I'm an easy going
guy and I'm sure we can resolve our differences privately.

Anyway, your time would be better spent informing your buddies at T206resource that they are misleading T206 collectors by claiming the following
cards are confirmed.....

Ames (hands above head) with AB 460
Ames (hands above head) with UZIT

Chance (batting) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Bergen (catching) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Murray (portrait) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Overall (blue sky) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42

Hey guy, I am not the only one on this forum that has told them of these errors in their listings.


Incidentally, that old post of mine regarding the blue Chase with a DRUM back was a mistake. I subsequently corrected it. I have been
looking for this DRUM card since the mid-1980's to complete my blue Chase sub-set...…





TED Z

T206 Reference
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No Ted I didn't stay up all night searching your posts.

You responded to Jay that you had the number of confirmed Drums at
151 and I responded that t206 research had the number at 153.

When you made your fake news comment (you could have said error or mistake)
it did piss me off and I was pretty sure they weren't the first to confirm Chase
(blue portrait) and Matty (dark cap) so I started with the
confirmed Drum list in your reference thread to see if I could find who
might have confirmed them.

In that post you provided this link

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=90139

which led to this link
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/net5...1.html#p266235

this is the thread that you confirmed the Chase in and it took me about
five minutes in all to find it.

Maybe you don't think you initiated a negative post with your
fake news comment but I do.

I don't think I've ever initiated a negative post against you. I do
admit that I have several times in response to one of yours but if
I did point it out and I will apologize here in this thread.

[barrysloate]

Around 1990, I received a letter from an old time collector who was selling off his collection. Among the offerings was this group of 27 Uzits which he was asking $1250 for, or about $46 a card. I passed. The reason I did so- and are you ready for this- I felt it would be too difficult to resell such a large group, and that I would end up getting stuck with a bunch of them.

I equate my decision to pass with Decca Records decision to pass on the Beatles after their January, 1962 audition because, in their reasoning, who would want to listen to a rock-and-roll guitar band? The point is not to wallow in my stupidity but to suggest that it would be virtually impossible to put together a group of 27 Broadleaf 460's in a lifetime, or nearly impossible for sure. And although it's a small sample, it's enough to tell me that BL 460's are much more difficult to acquire than Uzits.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Around 1990, I received a letter from an old time collector who was selling off his collection. Among the offerings was this group of 27 Uzits which he was asking $1250 for, or about $46 a card. I passed. The reason I did so- and are you ready for this- I felt it would be too difficult to resell such a large group, and that I would end up getting stuck with a bunch of them.

I equate my decision to pass with Decca Records decision to pass on the Beatles after their January, 1962 audition because, in their reasoning, who would want to listen to a rock-and-roll guitar band? The point is not to wallow in my stupidity but to suggest that it would be virtually impossible to put together a group of 27 Broadleaf 460's in a lifetime, or nearly impossible for sure. And although it's a small sample, it's enough to tell me that BL 460's are much more difficult to acquire than Uzits.

Hi Barry

I have to chuckle over your..... "but to suggest that it would be virtually impossible to put together a group of 27 Broadleaf 460's in a lifetime, or nearly impossible for sure.".

Would you say the same (or even "absolutely impossible") in finding a group of 51 - DRUM's ?

From one collection in 2009, Ron Oser and I counted out 51 cards with DRUM backs....43 were T206's and 8 were T205's. We had adjacent booths at the Philly Show and Ron
brought them over to me, and we sat there like two kids in a candy store sorting out these cards from a T206 find.

So, my point here is that "a group of 27 Broadleaf 460's in a lifetime" is far from an impossible achievement.

Thanks for sharing your story with us....very interesting.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[t206kid]

Barry,

This story is awesome. I'm inclined to agree with your reasoning but a motivated collector with a lot of money can sometimes achieve some crazy results.

Ted, what do you think of my numbers?

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Around 1990, I received a letter from an old time collector who was selling off his collection. Among the offerings was this group of 27 Uzits which he was asking $1250 for, or about $46 a card. I passed. The reason I did so- and are you ready for this- I felt it would be too difficult to resell such a large group, and that I would end up getting stuck with a bunch of them.

Barry, those UZITS are missing so many color passes - I would have passed on them too