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C52 set - the Canadian T218s
We've had a few threads of late about the T218 set, but I wanted to start one on the Canadian C52 Imperial Tobacco set.
All of the cards in this set are also in the T218 set, though the C52's do have numbers 1-100 on the back. Some of the numbers are duplicated though; this is the list we developed in a previous thread: 1 Jack Johnson BOX 2 James Jefferies BOX 3a Clarence B. Tippett TRK 3b Tommy Murphy BOX 4a James P. Sullivan TRK 4b Dick Hyland BOX 5a Walter Bursch TRK 5b Ad Wolgast BOX 6a Budd Goodwin TRK 6b Unk Russell BOX 7a Frank Riley TRK 7b Battling Nelson BOX 8a H.E. Gissing TRK 8b Packy McFarland BOX 9 James Crowley TRK 10 S.P. Gilles TRK 11 Andrew Glarner TRK 12 Battling Hurley BOX 13 Melvin W. Sheppard (side face view) TRK 14 Lou Manley TRK 15 Ray C. Ewry TRK 16 Frank C. Irons TRK 17 Jim Stewart BOX 18 Robert Cloughen TRK 19 W.C. Robbins TRK 20 Thomas O'Callaghan TRK 21 Harry Hillman TRK 22 Martin Sheridan TRK 23 C.M. Daniels (seated) TRK 24 Johhny Coulon BOX 25 Platt Adams TRK 26a Geo. J. Obermeyer TRK 26b Harry Porter TRK 27 Tom Collins TRK 28 Lawson Robertson TRK 29 Paul Pilgrim TRK 30 Jack "Twin" Sullivan BOX 31 Jack Eller TRK 32 John Flanagan (full lgth) TRK 33a Emilo Lunghi TRK 33b M.J. McGrath TRK 34 Jem Driscoll BOX 35 Eddie Walsh BOX 36 Richard Frizelle TRK 37 Chas. J. Bacon Jr. TRK 38 Dan Ahearne TRK 39 Owen Moran BOX 40 Willie Lewis BOX 41 Billy West BOX 42 Johnny Marto BOX 43 Jimmy Gardiner BOX 44 Harry Lewis BOX 45 Stanley Ketchell BOX 46 Phil McGovern BOX 47 Walter Lee TRK 48 Abe Attell BOX 49 Sailor Burke BOX 50a Bert Keyes BOX 50b Jimmy Walsh BOX 51 Dave Deshler BOX 52 Fred Welsh BOX 53 Matty Baldwin BOX 54 Gusta Ljungstrom TRK 55 Johnny Hayes TRK 56 Ralph Johnstone AVI 57 J.B.Moisant AVI 58 Arch Hoxey AVI 59 Chas. K. Hamilton AVI 60 Fred Herreshoff GOLF 61 Alex Smith GOLF 62 Findlay Douglas GOLF 63 Gil Nicholls GOLF 64 Jerome Keogh 65 Charles Eyton BOX 66 Al Delmaont BOX 67 Patsey Kline BOX 68 Frankie Conley BOX 69 Frank Klaus BOX 70 Tommy O'Toole BOX 71 Johnny Summers (sitting) BOX 72 Johnny Summers (standing) BOX 73 Thure Johansson TRK 74 Abel Kiviat TRK 75 E.J. Sweeney TRK 76 Percy Sellen TRK 77 J. J. McEntee TRK 78 Hans Holmer TRK 79 Edward P Weston TRK 80 Fred Meadows TRK 81 John Daly (port) POOL 82 Charles Weston POOL 83 Willie Hoppe (portrait) POOL 84 George Sutton (F) POOL 85 George Low 86 Jack Hobens 87 James Rector TRK 88 Harry Cline POOL 89 Willie Hoppe (playing) 90 Thomas Hueston POOL 91 Alfred de Oro POOL 92 George Sutton (Full) POOL 93 Ora Morningstar (F) POOL 94 Albert Cutler (F) POOL 95 Albert Cutler (port) POOL 96 William Heins BOWL 97 Calvin Demarest POOL 98 Alex Dunbar BOWL 99 Glenn Riddell BOWL 100 R. Johns (F) BOWL Does anyone have others not on this list, maybe other duplicate numbers, so that the whole 153 card T218 set is represented in the C52 set? The numbers really surprise me - just from PSA pop reports, 6,394 T218s have been graded, but only 78 C52s. Does this mean they just haven't been graded, or are these 80x scarcer?? I'd love to hear from others who are interested in the C52 cards - is anyone else working on the set? I'm missing the following (known) numbers, so if anyone could help me with any of these, please let me know! 4b Dick Hyland BOX 5b Ad Wolgast BOX 6a Budd Goodwin TRK 8b Packy McFarland BOX 12 Battling Hurley BOX 23 C.M. Daniels (seated) TRK 50a Bert Keyes BOX 50b Jimmy Walsh BOX And I have extras of these three as trade bait for anything on the above list: 46 Phil McGovern BOX 58 Arch Hoxey AVI 84 George Sutton (F) POOL Thanks! Last edited by scooter729; 01-01-2015 at 09:52 AM. |
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I'm glad I pulled my C52's out. I just found a Johnny Marto PSA 3 I didn't know I had and a missed typed #42 for Jimmy Gardner.
I have seventeen graded and raw cards. They don't come up often. I have two raw Owen Moran's I would trade for cards I need! |
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I had a request to see the Attell card, so here is a scan. It's pretty smashed and probably one of the worst-conditioned cards in my near set, but it's the only Attell I've come across so far!
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attell card
its is rough but still a great looking card. Very jealous.
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Are you saying that you have a C52 Jimmy Gardner that is number 42? I'd love to see that. I'm not sure we've ever seen any strange variations in this set. I've seen it with the normal #43 on it. Scott - It wouldn't surprise me to find that the C52s are 80x - 100x more scarce than the regular T218s. They are really tough to come by. We didn't even have half of the checklist just a year ago. There are probably still a few that we don't know about. My spreadsheet of T218/C52 front/back combos is pretty much done if you want another copy. (If you get it, you'll see that I have 3 of the C52 cards that you're looking for - they could probably be pried away from me ....) |
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No my fat fingers miss typed the wrong number for Jimmy
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C52
Hello everyone,
I'm new in this forum Being more interested in old non-sports cards, maybe could I help members with a few C52 cards in my collection for quite a while Not interested in trading, at least for now Please send PM and I'll post pictures upon your request Here they are: 7 - Battling Nelson 30 - Jack (Twin) Sullivan 31 - Jack Eller 34 - Jem Driscoll 37 - Chas J. Bacon Jr 39 - Owen Moran 40 - Willie Lewis 48 - Abe Attell 64 - Jerome Keogh Cheers - B. Last edited by bob49; 05-21-2014 at 08:49 AM. Reason: re: pictures |
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Abe Attell
In reply to a request made by a member (as honest pictures as possible)
update: The person eventually interested wrote me this: "Thank you for posting the pic, the card is very comparable to the one I have so not much of an upgrade for me so I will pass on this one, I have no doubt somebody will snatch it up soon, again thank you and good luck!" Last edited by bob49; 05-21-2014 at 10:44 AM. Reason: quote/unquote added |
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revisiting C52's thread
Thanks Scott for a couple very nice C52s.
I am looking to buy/trade for other C52s of track and field athletes. Best, Ed |
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scans of C52s available for trade
I have the following track and field and looking to buy/trade for the rest: 22, 23, 27, 31, 38, 50, 54, 57, 59, 76, 77, 80.
I have the following available to trade or sell: 27 38 76 77 Best, Ed |
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C52 Jeffries.......
only one I have
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c-52s to swap and needed
I too am working on the C52 set. The checklist I have is identical to what Scott posted to start this thread. Has there been any additions to the list in the last 2 years? I need the following: 8b McFarland 24 34 35 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91. I have the following, mainly low grade to swap: 14 22 46 47 56 58 69 70 71. Also looking for all sorts of oddball cards and have some to swap. You can check out all my lists on the OldBaseball.com website or Google Mike Rich wantlist.
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swapping C-52s
A few of us have been able to swap C-52s recently. If anyone has some to swap, let us know.
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Jack Johnson
I'm always looking for a Jack Johnson if there is an available one! Just PM or email to me at jwondowski@aol.com.
Thanks!!!! |
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This one is available:
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Fantastic card, Adam - Jem sure would fit in nicely with the rest of his sharp friends from my near set!
Last edited by scooter729; 05-12-2015 at 12:50 PM. |
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Adam,
I slabbed that Driscoll a number of years ago! |
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Good timing for this thread - I just had a bunch of my raw C52's graded by PSA, so my registry set now contains 74 of the 109 (known) cards from the set. (I have 28 others but they are in poor condition, and I didn't think they were worth the cost of getting them graded.)
Link to PSA C52 registry set Nice to know there are some other set collectors out there on this set - I will go through my extras (I don't have too many but probably 8-10 maybe?) and see what I've got. My want list for my set is: 4b Dick Hyland BOX 5b Ad Wolgast BOX 6a Budd Goodwin TRK 8b Packy McFarland BOX 12 Battling Hurley BOX 50a Bert Keyes BOX 50b Jimmy Walsh BOX Thanks! Scott |
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Mr. Driscoll and his adult diaper are on the way to MA as I write this.
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Thanks Adam - Jem (should be spelled "Gem" based on the condition!) and his Depends will find a good home in Boston...
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looking to reactive the C52 thread
Hi - looking to reactivate this thread.
C52 -collecting track and field, I have 11 13 22 23 31 38 54 57 59 75 76 77 79 80 87 and McGrath( number is gone) Best, Ed |
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Good idea for the bump, Ed!
I'm still looking for any of these C52's if anyone has any of them - I can offer other C52's in trade... 4b Dick Hyland BOX 5b Ad Wolgast BOX 6a Budd Goodwin TRK 8b Packy McFarland BOX 12 Battling Hurley BOX 50a Bert Keyes BOX 50b Jimmy Walsh BOX |
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Ed, I have a McGrath with no paper loss if you are trying to upgrade. Mine is not in great condition to say the least, but it is all there. PM or respond if you have any interest.
Scott, sorry nothing I can do for your want list. Are you collecting the entire C52 run?image.jpg |
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Resurfacing this thread, as there was a large lot of 41 C52s that sold on eBay last night (ID'd as T218s). Based on the price, it looked like a couple of other people realized what they were as well.
Did anyone from here end up with the group? I only needed a handful from the group and based on the rough condition of many of them, I didn't go too strong on the lot. But I'd love to see who may have been the high bidder, and if that person might be willing to help me on the few cards I need. Glad to see there was some interest in this set at least, based on the bidding! |
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I put in what I considered a strong bid but it turned out I wasn't even close. A really cool pickup for someone's collection.
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I figured / hoped my $289 bid would be more than enough to get them based on the rough condition, but two people disagreed with me. Hopefully I can find the few cards I need for my set at some point!
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I missed that lot, but I got my C52 Johnson in exactly the same manner about a year ago. It was a lot of about 15 low grade C52s listed as T218.
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I ended up winning the lot. I had about 30 or so cards from the set prior to that lot so I'll see what I need when I have them in hand. Definitely will have some duplicates.
-Rhett
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Nice score. I'm super jealous.
I have Hamilton, Sellen, and Sweeney if anyone needs them for their sets. I'll trade them for other C52s if needed. |
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C52s needed and to swap
I am down to needing 15 of the 109 C52s: 8B McFarland 24 34 35 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91.
I have 14 22 23 47 56 58 69 available to swap. All have creases. I also have other sports items to swap in all sports.
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updated C52 wantlist
I have made some progress since I first posted on this forum, current wantlist is below.
C52 - I need 3a Clarence B. Tippett, 5a Walter Bursch; 7a Frank Riley; 8a H.E. Gissing; 9 James Crowley; 10 S.P. Gilles; 20 Thomas O'Callaghan; 21 Harry Hillman; 26b Harry Porter; 27 Tom Collins; Paul Pilgrim; 32 John Flanagan (full lgth); 33a Emilo Lunghi; 33b M.J. McGrath; 36 Richard Frizellel; 37 Chas. J. Bacon Jr.; 55 Johnny Hayes; 74 Abel Kiviat; 78 Hans Holmer Mike, congrats on getting within 15! -Ed |
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Thanks to Rhett for making a trade with me to help me out with finishing off this set! I'm now only 2 cards away from the finish line (of known C52's):
4b Dick Hyland BOX 8b Packy McFarland BOX If anyone has these available, let me know! Even if they aren't duplicates for you, maybe I can make a trade in your favor to help me finish this off?? Thanks! Scott |
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C52 McFarland
Does anybody have a scan or source for the Packey McFarland cards existence? I'm working on the C52 set casually as an extension of the T218 master set i'm building. Between the PSA pop report, friends in the hobby, auctions and my own cards this is the only one I've never seen or heard of anyone actually having that's on the current checklist.
The cards that have 2 fronts for 1 card number do seem to be even tougher than the others, and I'd imagine there's a couple others out there that haven't even been checklists yet. |
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Last edited by scooter729; 09-20-2017 at 11:27 AM. |
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C52
Thanks for showing! A complete set is one heck of an achievement
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Thanks - they're definitely hard to come by, but often people who have them don't list them as such, so it's the searching which can take a while. Mine range from cards with holes in them to PSA 8 - gotta take what you can find with most of these!
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One of my favorite sets. Beautiful artwork, very scarce to find in any grade but not expensive. I’ve been picking up low grade examples for under $10, less when I can find them listed as T218’s or something else. I’m up to 21 now but can’t imagine achieving a full set. I don’t think I’ve seen more than 10-15 examples of any single card.
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C52 Canadian T218s
This thread has not been posted to in a few years. I know many of us have stalled on it. I am now down to needing the last dozen known varieties:
C-52 Canadian Version of T-218 NEED: 24 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91 Boxers, Golfers and Billiards only. Track & Field complete. Dupes available to swap: 14 22 23 47 56 58 69 Will accept in any condition.
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A couple of things to add...
First, I also bought most of my C52s from a gentleman in Canada. I’m not sure if that adds any credence to the C52s are a Canadian issue theory but I figured I’d add that. Also, I’ve never seen any discussion of back color variations but has anyone else noticed? About a third of my backs are white but most are brown. I don’t *think* this is due to aging as it looks like genuine paper stock differences to me. I could be wrong. Thoughts? Here’s two Sellen cards with different color backs: And more... Last edited by david_l; 07-28-2020 at 12:20 PM. |
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Hello, I've been posting on the T218 thread regarding some sports cards that have been passed down through my family. My understanding is that most of these cards are C52s - which makes sense since my family is Canadian.
I am interested in selling these cards for a fair price and if any of these cards can help complete someones collection that would be a great result. I can provide more information if anyone here is interested. |
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