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How easy would it be for Rick to tell Panky that he can no longer do business with him - ban him as a bidder and as a consignor? Is it really that hard? Is that really asking too much for someone (Panky) that's been caught multiple times shilling his own auctions? I guarantee you that if Rick would take some action when things like this are brought to his attention (and it has been brought to his attention multiple times), he would be looked upon much more favorably by most board members. |
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I cannot blame Rick for allowing Panky to consign (especially since other auction houses do the same). This guy will go anywhere else because every other auction house would gladly take him in. The only difference between Rick and the other auction houses is that Rick highlights in big bold letters that this is Panky's collection. Is there any other auction house that would do that? David, if you had the urge to buy a card from Rick (it's a hypothetical) you would know right away if it was a Panky special or not (because it would be under "The GEM Collection") and you would avoid it. You would also be able to tell with 95% certainty whether or not you were being shilled by looking at the bid history. Now, if you were to purchase the same card from Heritage, REA, Greg B, Mile High, Memory Lane or any other non-ebay auction house you would have no clue whether or not you were being shilled (because AH's choose to hide the bidding history from us); and you would have no clue if the card came from Panky! Why are you not furious with all the others? It is unfair to single out the only AH that still provides us the tools we need to protect ourselves. |
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Huh? What are you talking about? You entire post makes no sense, especially the part I quoted. What tools does Rick provide to us (or anybody) that we need to protect ourselves?
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If you were to purchase an item from a Probstein123 auction you would have the following tools at your disposal: - You would be able to see what collection the consignment came from, allowing you to avoid certain consignors (i.e. The GEM Collection). - You can see how many unique bidders you are bidding against (a handy tool used to spot shill bidding). - You can see how many bid retractions other bidders have (a handy tool to decide if you're up against shady characters) - You can see how often someone is bidding and their bidding patterns (vital to spot shill bidding) Name one auction house that provides these tools. |
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And if it is happening, the best way to handle it is to not bid? |
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Panky aside, Rick has banned shill bidders and he is usually pretty good about it if it's obvious. When was the last time REA or HA or Mile High banned one of their bidders? |
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I am still challenging anyone here to name one auction house that has more safe-guards in place to prevent shilling.
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Also, can you please give any examples of times Mr. Probstein has ended items with apparently blatant shill bidding or any other of the shenanigans that have been pointed out? How do you know he's banned any shill bidders? |
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But, ok, I'll bite. I'll play along with it. So now that Rick and PWCC offer these wonderful tools to protect us bidders (Praises to Rick), what happens when it's discovered there is shilling taking place and it can be pinpointed to a certain consignor? Huh, what then? What good is it to have these wonderful tools that Rick has provided to us (Praises to Rick), if nothing is done about the shilling when it's pointed out? Quote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Fleer-U...item53fd3386b4 Again, just friendly advice. Stop typing and save some face. Your comments are ridiculous. Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 01-10-2014 at 02:57 PM. |
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I wonder if Mr Probstein would provide such protections if ebay did not. I have been reading this thread with curiosity and interest but I don't know Mr Probstein nor have I ever bid in his auctions. I would be curious to know if you think he would provide such protection and information if he was not using ebay and perhaps used simpleauctionsite.com
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This post is pretty awesome. Rick should probably pay you to post here.
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I'm thinking he already does.
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