ID Help Please - Phildelphia PCs

[VintageBall]

Hi all,

I could use some ID help on these two postcards of the Philadelphia Phillies.

I am almost 100% sure I have identified a few players correctly in the two cards. I'm feeling good about the identities of Hans Lobert, Eppa Rixey, Red Dooin, Otto Knabe, Dode Paskert and Earl Moore.

I'm pretty sure the top postcard (Card 1) is c.1911 and the bottom postcard (Card 2) would have to be 1912 or 1913, if Rixey and Moore are both in it. The 1911-14 team also had some other name players during this period: Grover Cleveland Alexander, Mickey Doolan and Sherry Magee to name a few.

Any help on identification would be much appreciated!

I'm thinking these look like Spring Training shots, as they feature some players in other uniforms -- one A's player, one Washington and one minor league, among others.

I've included a smaller and larger image of each postcard, with some identifications on the larger images.

IF THESE IMAGES ARE TOO BIG, LET ME KNOW AND I WILL POST SMALLER ONES. I ALSO HAVE LARGER ONES IF THIS WILL HELP!

CARD 1:





CARD 2:





Thanks!

Robert S

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Rob:

Almost sure the top one is 1912, not so sure on the second, maybe 1913? My opinion is based on uniform styles, not player ID's.

[VintageBall]

Thanks Phil. You may be right.

However, I'm not sure if uniforms are all that helpful here. You may be spot-on, but several players are wearing the 1911 home jersey without the P. Of course, I took that from the Hall of Fame uniform site which has been wrong before: http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...splay+uniforms

If it's Spring Training, all bets are off since so many teams re-used old uniforms, especially for prospects. I've spotted a mix of jersey and hat styles. Also, if that is Madden in the first card, he only played in 1911 with the Phillies. But he could have been there in 1912 spring training. Of course, I could be wrong about the Madden ID.

Also there is a guy wearing a Boston Doves sweater, I believe.

What made you think they were 1912 uniforms? Do you have a photo of the 1912 team that you can post? That would be great...

Speaking of which, does anybody have any Phillies team photos from the Spaldiing guide with players identified from any team c. 1911-14?

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Rob:

Upon closer inspection, the first one could be 1911 or 1912 but I don't think anything else. It's odd that we don't see GCA in either one of the postcards as he was a major star of those teams.

Unfortunately, I don't have any team photos to share other than the T200 Fatima.

Can you e-mail me (please send to vguerrerobb@yahoo.com) a larger high res scan of the player that you believe to be Rixey, I can probably ID that one for you?

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These links might help:

http://www.ballssticksstuff.com/2009...g-in-1912.html

http://www.philadelphiaathletics.org...15phillies.htm

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1913 Phillies...............

[VintageBall]

Thanks for the links, Phil.

Here's a larger photo of Rixey (I'm pretty confident with this identification) and someone just pointed that one row above Rixey might be young Grover in the dark shirt...perhaps...

I'm pretty sure on Eppa, less so on Grover!

Now if you could find Dave Bancroft in this second card that would make it 1915 (and Bancroft's first year)!



BTW, Phil, I scanned the bigger photos and this one of Rixey at 600 DPI and re-sized down, so you could blow this up further a bit and maintain clarity...