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Considering letting my Tinker go, I am aware of 3-4 other examples, is this the toughest 42? Highest graded :cool:
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A great ongoing thread. I noticed that it just passed 666,666 views, which of course puts this heavenly thread well past purgatory and into red hot and fiery territory.
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Thanks to Chris B! Very happy to add this tough combo to my Chase run.
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The PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 cards are somewhat easier to find in the T205 set than in the T206 set. Except for the
32 subjects which I refer to as the "Exclusive 32". These T205 subjects were printed with the A - B - C - D pattern. Here is an example from my Miller Huggins run. The PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 cards in this group are difficult to find. In the past 7 years, I have found only 4 of these 32 guys with the PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 backs. . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42bx.jpg A - B - C - D sub-set (includes 32 - T205 subjects) http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Huggins25x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uggins25bx.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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A typical T205 back run comprises of 11 to 13 cards. Here is my complete run (11 cards) of Harry Wolter. Wolter was printed in the Exclusive 32 group.
This was my 1st T205 run that I completed. I have several other runs which are near completion. I am especially interested in NY Yankees players. Note....Wolter was not printed with the PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. My experience doing T205 runs has provided me an appreciation for the printing patterns of the T205's. Here are 2 major examples of these patterns: 1.... DRUM cards and HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive. 2.... the A - B - C - D cards and AMERICAN BEAUTY (Green) cards are mutually-exclusive. V----------------------------------- AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM connection (A - B - C - D) -----------------------------------V V https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205WolterX.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...T205Wolter.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205WolterX.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...xPdPBSvSCb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...WolterT205.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...30WolterXx.jpg----https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rHLC%20_3_.jpg -------------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...30WolterBx.jpg---------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...HLCb%20_2_.jpg Factory #649 .................................................. .... Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference . |
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A NET54 "reader" emailed me regarding the T205 group, which I refer to as the "Exclusive 32".
I have confirmed that exactly 32 subjects (of the 208) in the T205 set were printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, and CYCLE backs. To date, 27 (of these 32) subjects in this group have been confirmed with DRUM. Eventually, I expect these five will be discovered with DRUM.... Beals Becker Buck Herzog Miller Huggins John Lobert Zach Wheat . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...genABbk25x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Lobert25bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ggins25bxx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rDRUMx25bx.jpg EXCLUSIVE 32 check-list James Austin John Bates Beals Becker George Bell William Bergen Russell Blackburne Albert Bridwell Mordecai Brown Harold Chase (border on shirt) Frank Corridon Thomas Downey Louis Evans George Graham (blue signature) Buck Herzog Richard Hoblitzell Miller Huggins Jack Knight A. Latham Thomas Leach John Lobert Briscoe Lord Patrick Moran Frederick Olmstead George Paskert Fred Payne Edward Phelps John Quinn Lewis Richie David Shean George Stone Zach Wheat Harry Wolter TED Z T206 Reference . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...onSGC40xxx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont150x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...lCYoung12x.jpg Continuing with the T206 runs....here's my Russ Ford run. Ford is included in the Exclusive 12 group. Each of the subjects in the Exclusive 12 group were printed with 13 different backs. LENOX and PIEDMONT #42 were not printed with these 12 subjects. I still need the UZIT and EPDG backs to complete this run. Trivia.....Russ Ford's rookie season record (26-6) in 1910 was quite a feat. Furthermore, he WON a total of 48 games in his 1st two seasons. I still need the UZIT and EPDG backs to complete this run. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...2FordRHx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...FordRHx50b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SCxOMxTolx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vSCxOMxTol.jpg Factory #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...2ovptPBx25.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ovptPBx25b.jpg Factory #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cfactory30.jpg Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Here is another PIEDMONT Factory #42 card in my T205 collection.
I am looking for a complete check-list on the T205 PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards. Andrew Woodfin, ole buddy, I need your expertise in tracking down these PIEDMONT #42 cards in the T205 set. . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont42b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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I did not realize a T205 Huggins and T205 Wheat Drum back had been found? Do you have pics? John Bowden Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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Hi John The Check-list in Post #1507 simply lists the T205 subjects ("Exclusive 32") printed with the A - B - C -D pattern. The AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, and CYCLE backs have all been confirmed. Five DRUM backs (bold lettering) identified in this list have yet to be confirmed with DRUM. James Austin John Bates Beals Becker George Bell William Bergen Russell Blackburne Albert Bridwell Mordecai Brown Harold Chase (border on shirt) Frank Corridon Thomas Downey Louis Evans George Graham (blue signature) Buck Herzog Richard Hoblitzell Miller Huggins Jack Knight A. Latham Thomas Leach John Lobert Briscoe Lord Patrick Moran Frederick Olmstead George Paskert Fred Payne Edward Phelps John Quinn Lewis Richie David Shean George Stone Zach Wheat Harry Wolter TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Your post in #1507 states this. "I have confirmed that exactly 32 cards (of the 208) in the T205 set were printed with these four backs." So you can see how someone reading your statement would think they have been confirmed and not merely believe they were printed. John Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
[QUOTE=tedzan;2349943]Here are a couple more T205 PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards. I'm looking for a complete check-list on these.
Andrew Woodfin, ole buddy, I need your expertise tracking down these PIEDMONT Factory 42 in the T205 set. You don't need Andrew's help on the Camnitz, Ted. It's right here: https://t206.monkberry.com/t205.html See you in Chicago? Ed |
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My bad.....I posted that list in a hurry, and forgot to proof-read it. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. It has been modified. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Jack Quinn is another one of my T205 Yankees which was printed in the EXCLUSIVE 32 group. I only need one card to complete this run.
You guessed it.... it's the DRUM. Furthermore, I need not search for a PIEDMONT #42 card of Quinn because it appears that HASSAN Factory #649 and PIEDMONT #42 are mutually-exclusive with respect to subjects in the EXCLUSIVE 32 group. And, I know his HASSAN Factory #649 card exists.* https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BT205Quinn.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...kQuinnT205.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nnCycle25x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...T205QuinnB.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...QuinnT205b.jpg . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nCycle25xb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCapT205.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...etCapT205b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...innT205HLC.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nt25QuinnX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...CutB%20_2_.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...t25QuinnXb.jpg *P. S.... Somewhere in my T205 / T206 archives there is a HASSAN Factory #649 card of Quinn. I will post it here when I find it. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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My favorite T205 is Miller Huggins. I have included him in my Yankees collection. Huggins had a keen eye for talent. As Manager of
the Yankees (1918), he persuaded Col. Jacob Ruppert (Yankees owner) to acquire Babe Ruth from Boston in 1919. The T205 Huggins is one of the few guys in the Exclusive 32 group that was printed with the PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. The DRUM back for Huggins has not yet been confirmed. However, since he was printed with the brown AMERICAN BEAUTY back, I expect his DRUM card will eventually be discovered. Furthermore, I also need a HASSAN Factory #30 to complete this run. If any of you have a HASSAN #30 Huggins for sale....please email me..... tedzan11@comcast.net . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42bx.jpg V--------------- brown AMERICAN BEAUTY ------------------------------- BROAD LEAF ------------------------ CYCLE ------------------- DRUM (A - B - C - D) -------V https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ugginsT205.jpg . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Huggins25x.jpg . . . . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nsT205ABbx.jpg . . . . . . . . . . . . .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uggins25bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ngCutT205b.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont25b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...SweetCap42.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...weetCap42b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Here is my Jack Quinn with the HASSAN Factory #649 back....that was missing in Post #1515.
Therefore, we can assume that Quinn does not exist with a PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. The HASSAN #649 and the PIEDMONT Factory #42 are mutually-exclusive backs in the T205 group of cards which I refer to as the Exclusive 32. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...assan649_1.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...torynum649.jpg Factory #649 TED Z T206 Reference . |
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And here is my Ty Cobb (with a POLAR BEAR).
I was wondering if Ty Cobb was printed with a PIEDMONT #42 back ? I'm hoping a T205 expert on this forum will respond to this question. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...T205CobbRT.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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This one is not pretty, but a toughie! Glad to have it! I sent to SGC for encapsulation as P460F42. the neglected to Label it a F42. when I questioned the mistake they said I would have to send it back for "more Research" to identify if it is really a P460F42? huh? ugh..... comon fellas... sounds like the grader did not even look at the back and slapped and 1 on it. :-(
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...duAB460x13.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGxOMx13.jpg Pictured here are the 6 most difficult backs to find on the Exclusive 12 cards This run is my pride and joy...... This McGraw card is a member of the Exclusive 12 group. It was printed with 13 different backs. His UZIT card (unique) is a relatively new find, which completed my run. Note....no LENOX and no PIEDMONT 460 #42 backs. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ZITxSGC30x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUsgcB.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUsgcX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...VxPd4xPBxx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SOVxPd4xPB.jpg Factory #42.....................Factory #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxAB460xOM.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...xAB460xOMb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tory30xx12.jpg . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...YCLE460x18.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CLE460x18b.jpg Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference . |
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My red Cobb with a PIEDMONT #42 back is a real beauty; however, it's not an authentic T206.
But, that is fine with me, as it was very affordable. And, it certainly is a darn good reproduction. Whatever.....so let us see your PIEDMONT #42 red Cobb's. Any condition is show-worthy. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42xx.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont42b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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T205 George Schlei cards....one with a rare back (PIEDMONT #42); and, the other with rare front (green border, instead of gold).
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Thanks Kevin!
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Well, not many anymore responses with PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards on display here.
In order to see some more PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards, here is a friendly bump, before this Post disappears off the front page. Hey guys, why not check-out your T206 (or T205) collections, you may be surprised to discover that you have some of these rare cards, but did not realize it. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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I am one of the seemingly few pre-War collectors who is NOT a T206 affectionado. I do collect WaJo cards, and I do have this T206 Piedmont Factory 42 card of WaJo. However, I'm more interested in real-photo, black & white cards of WaJo, especially his 1916, 1917, and 1921-22 issues. I'm willing to trade my Piedy 42 for a black & white card of WaJo with a scarce ad back. A trade could be consummated at the Net54 dinner at the Chicago National.
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Charles E. "Gabby" Street. "The Old Sarge". Catcher for the Washington Senators in 1908-1911. 312 hits and 2 home runs in 8 MLB seasons. Debuted with the Cincinnati Reds in 1904. Caught ball dropped from top of Washington Monument. Holds MLB record for longest gap between MLB games at 19 years -- 1912-1931. Managed the St. Louis Cardinals in 1929 and 1930-1933, including the 1931 World Series championship. Managed the St. Louis Browns in 1938.
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I checked my T205 set and have the following Piedmont Factory 42 cards:
Bill Bergen G.C. Ferguson Ray Fisher Dick Hoblitzell - name correct no Cin Ed Reulbach John Rowan Tony Smith Ed Sweeney Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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Pd 42
Ted knows the 42's are near and dear to my heart. Being in NC I decided to collect these backs for both the T206 and T205 sets. One card I want to upgrade is the T205 Evers. If anyone has a 2 or better let me know.
I don't know of any new discoveries of 42's since the Tinker showed up a few years ago. I believe Ted had seen the card before but no picture had been taken. The same 4 culprits in the T206 set that were thought to be verified have yet to turn up. These names can be found in the T206 PD 42 set list. Thanks Ted for bringing up these 42's once again. |
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Hi Adam I really have enjoyed our wheeling-n-dealing with these PIEDMONT #42 cards over the past 14 years. Especially when you would discover a Pd #42 that was unknown. Take care, my good friend. Adam....can you send me your T205 PIEDMONT #42 check-list.... tedzan11@comcast.net TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Is it just a coincidence that the T206 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs, and the
T205 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs ? Being a numbers guy, makes me think it isn't a coincidence, but dictated by factors in the printing process. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hey guys,
So far, we have only 23 different T206 subjects on display with PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 backs in this thread. I expected at least 36 of the known 72 subjects with this rare back would have been posted. So, come on guys, let us put on a show here and post more of them. These elusive T206's add a certain amount of "sophistication" to our T-card collections. Especially some of the tougher ones (such as the above T206 Tinker). TED Z T206 Reference . |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Can you name these two Major Leaguers, who had their moment of "greatness" approx. 50 years apart ?
Should be easy......if not, I will provide some more hints. TED Z T206 Reference . |
Hi Ted - Are Frank Smith the players you are looking for?
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This is a stretch because I am matching a first name to a last name but...
In 1910, Sherry Magee had his best season, leading the league in R, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, TB, and WAR (most, but not all, of these categories were also career bests). In 1959, Larry Sherry was the World Series MVP, going 2-0 for the Dodgers with an 0.71 ERA and saving the two games he did not win (he did not start a game but finished every game the Dodgers won). I am not sure if these names "coincide" enough to be the answer Ted is looking for...if not, I will keep looking. Edited to add: it turns out Sherry is not a "1950's Topps guy" since his first card was in 1960. So I will try again tomorrow. |
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Bill and Michael
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I knew mine was a stretch...I'll keep looking.
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Bob "Dusty" Rhodes pitched for the Cleveland Indians and had a t206 card. James "Dusty" Rhodes was the World Series hero for the Giants beating the Indians in the 1954 World Series.
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Congratulations....your are the Trivia King. . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tyRhoades2.jpg I don't have a James "Dusty" Rhodes card to show. Perhaps, someone will post one here. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Chad Thanks much for posting your card of James "Dusty" Rhodes. And, the T3 card of Bob "Dusty" Rhoades. I'm sure you know that this T3 Rhoades card is one of the toughest cards to find in the T3 set. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Chad
My mind gets so involved in my vintage cards that I've become forgetful regarding my 1950's stuff. I clearly remember the James "Dusty" Rhodes performance in the 1954 World Series. But, I forgot that he is the #1 card in the 1955 set. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Certain Bob "Dusty" Rhoades cards are considerably tougher to find than other common T-cards.
Net54 member, Rob McKenzie, has searched for many years for the 1910 COUPON Rhoades card to complete his 1910 COUPON set. T3 set collectors will tell you that the Rhoades (arm extended) card is very, very difficult to find. I think when Cleveland sent Rhoades to the Kansas City Blues (Feb 1910) American Lithographic subsequently stopped printing him. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tyRhoades2.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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