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Thanks Pat for posting that Ty Cobb was printed with the PIEDMONT #42 back. You are an expert researcher. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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This one is not pretty, but a toughie! Glad to have it! I sent to SGC for encapsulation as P460F42. the neglected to Label it a F42. when I questioned the mistake they said I would have to send it back for "more Research" to identify if it is really a P460F42? huh? ugh..... comon fellas... sounds like the grader did not even look at the back and slapped and 1 on it. :-(
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
My red Cobb with a PIEDMONT #42 back is a real beauty; however, it's not an authentic T206.
But, that is fine with me, as it was very affordable. And, it certainly is a darn good reproduction. Whatever.....so let us see your PIEDMONT #42 red Cobb's. Any condition is show-worthy. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42xx.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont42b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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T205 George Schlei cards....one with a rare back (PIEDMONT #42); and, the other with rare front (green border, instead of gold).
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Well, not many anymore responses with PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards on display here.
In order to see some more PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards, here is a friendly bump, before this Post disappears off the front page. Hey guys, why not check-out your T206 (or T205) collections, you may be surprised to discover that you have some of these rare cards, but did not realize it. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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I am one of the seemingly few pre-War collectors who is NOT a T206 affectionado. I do collect WaJo cards, and I do have this T206 Piedmont Factory 42 card of WaJo. However, I'm more interested in real-photo, black & white cards of WaJo, especially his 1916, 1917, and 1921-22 issues. I'm willing to trade my Piedy 42 for a black & white card of WaJo with a scarce ad back. A trade could be consummated at the Net54 dinner at the Chicago National.
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Charles E. "Gabby" Street. "The Old Sarge". Catcher for the Washington Senators in 1908-1911. 312 hits and 2 home runs in 8 MLB seasons. Debuted with the Cincinnati Reds in 1904. Caught ball dropped from top of Washington Monument. Holds MLB record for longest gap between MLB games at 19 years -- 1912-1931. Managed the St. Louis Cardinals in 1929 and 1930-1933, including the 1931 World Series championship. Managed the St. Louis Browns in 1938.
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I checked my T205 set and have the following Piedmont Factory 42 cards:
Bill Bergen G.C. Ferguson Ray Fisher Dick Hoblitzell - name correct no Cin Ed Reulbach John Rowan Tony Smith Ed Sweeney Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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Hi Val I like your PIEDMONT #42 Walter Johnson.....however, I don't have any of the trade material you are looking for. Good luck at the National. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted knows the 42's are near and dear to my heart. Being in NC I decided to collect these backs for both the T206 and T205 sets. One card I want to upgrade is the T205 Evers. If anyone has a 2 or better let me know.
I don't know of any new discoveries of 42's since the Tinker showed up a few years ago. I believe Ted had seen the card before but no picture had been taken. The same 4 culprits in the T206 set that were thought to be verified have yet to turn up. These names can be found in the T206 PD 42 set list. Thanks Ted for bringing up these 42's once again. |
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Hi Adam I really have enjoyed our wheeling-n-dealing with these PIEDMONT #42 cards over the past 14 years. Especially when you would discover a Pd #42 that was unknown. Take care, my good friend. Adam....can you send me your T205 PIEDMONT #42 check-list.... tedzan11@comcast.net TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Is it just a coincidence that the T206 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs, and the
T205 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs ? Being a numbers guy, makes me think it isn't a coincidence, but dictated by factors in the printing process. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hey guys,
So far, we have only 23 different T206 subjects on display with PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 backs in this thread. I expected at least 36 of the known 72 subjects with this rare back would have been posted. So, come on guys, let us put on a show here and post more of them. These elusive T206's add a certain amount of "sophistication" to our T-card collections. Especially some of the tougher ones (such as the above T206 Tinker). TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Can you name these two Major Leaguers, who had their moment of "greatness" approx. 50 years apart ?
Should be easy......if not, I will provide some more hints. TED Z T206 Reference . |
Hi Ted - Are Frank Smith the players you are looking for?
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This is a stretch because I am matching a first name to a last name but...
In 1910, Sherry Magee had his best season, leading the league in R, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, TB, and WAR (most, but not all, of these categories were also career bests). In 1959, Larry Sherry was the World Series MVP, going 2-0 for the Dodgers with an 0.71 ERA and saving the two games he did not win (he did not start a game but finished every game the Dodgers won). I am not sure if these names "coincide" enough to be the answer Ted is looking for...if not, I will keep looking. Edited to add: it turns out Sherry is not a "1950's Topps guy" since his first card was in 1960. So I will try again tomorrow. |
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Bill and Michael
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In the mid 1950's, the team of the T206 guy faced the team of the TOPPS guy in an exciting World Series TED Z T206 Reference . |
Bob "Dusty" Rhodes pitched for the Cleveland Indians and had a t206 card. James "Dusty" Rhodes was the World Series hero for the Giants beating the Indians in the 1954 World Series.
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Congratulations....your are the Trivia King. . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tyRhoades2.jpg I don't have a James "Dusty" Rhodes card to show. Perhaps, someone will post one here. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Chad Thanks much for posting your card of James "Dusty" Rhodes. And, the T3 card of Bob "Dusty" Rhoades. I'm sure you know that this T3 Rhoades card is one of the toughest cards to find in the T3 set. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Chad
My mind gets so involved in my vintage cards that I've become forgetful regarding my 1950's stuff. I clearly remember the James "Dusty" Rhodes performance in the 1954 World Series. But, I forgot that he is the #1 card in the 1955 set. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Certain Bob "Dusty" Rhoades cards are considerably tougher to find than other common T-cards.
Net54 member, Rob McKenzie, has searched for many years for the 1910 COUPON Rhoades card to complete his 1910 COUPON set. T3 set collectors will tell you that the Rhoades (arm extended) card is very, very difficult to find. I think when Cleveland sent Rhoades to the Kansas City Blues (Feb 1910) American Lithographic subsequently stopped printing him. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tyRhoades2.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Thanks for the mention, Ted, yes, I am still looking for a T213-1 Rhoades hands at chest. If anyone has one to trade, let me know.
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
.https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...SC150x30xz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...1910COUPON.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITxSGC30xx.jpg .... Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___American Beauty ... COUPON ...…...... UZIT This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 823.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1151 >> 1160.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1161 >> 1193.....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb Posts #1194 >> 1198.....Questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a questionable pose Posts #1199 >> 1200....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1201 >> 1207....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1208 >> 1213.....Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards Posts #1214 >> 1225.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card survey (Updated) Posts #1226 >> 1237.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects Posts #1238 >> 1250....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1251 >> 1262....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1263 >> 1281.....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards Posts #1283 >> 1294.....TRIVIA....Iffy call cost Team the Pennant. Who's the T206 player involved ? Posts #1295 >> 1300.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Posts #1301 >> 1302.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Post #1303....................INDEX Posts #1305 >> 1310.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Posts #1311 >> 1314.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1316 >> 1318.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1328 >> 1332.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1335 >> 1341.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1342 >> 1350.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do Posts #1351 >> 1373.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do Posts #1374 >> 1376.....Interesting association of AB350 (no-frame) T206's and AB460 T206's Posts #1377 >> 1398.....Fun run....PIEDMONT 350-460 Fact 25....Give it the old college try Posts #1399 >> 1400.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Posts #1401 >> 1402.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Post #1403....................INDEX Posts #1404 >> 1409.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Posts #1412 >> 1434.....To Grade, or not to Grade....that is the Question regarding T206 set(s) Posts #1435 >> 1450.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank Posts #1451 >> 1459.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank Posts #1460 >> 1472.....Stamps, BB cards, old Cars, which of them did you collect 1st ? Posts #1476 >> 1500.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ? Posts #1501 >> 1537.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ? Posts #1538 >> 1550.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy Posts #1551 >> 1570.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy Posts #1571 >> 1578.....T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me with your question.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted, looking forward to the next index topic, always a fun and informative thread.
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Hi Rob If I recall correctly, the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art has on display a complete 68-card 1910 COUPON set in their Sportscard department. Therefore, we do know the "Dusty" Rhoades card exists with a 1910 COUPON back....despite PSA's pop report data indicating none. You're very, very fortunate to have 67 cards in your 1910 COUPON set. It's an amazing accomplishment. Good Luck on eventually finding Rhoades. I embarked on this adventure approx. 20 years ago. After attaining 25 % of set, I gave up on it. Shown here are some of my nicer cards in this set. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...onmatty75x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nmatty75xb.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb75xb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uponChance.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onChanceBx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Willett50x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Willett19b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Nice Coupons there...On Rhoades populations, as you say the MET has one online from Burdick...
www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/417937 Also, SGC's pop report shows 2 examples of Rhoades.. an SGC 3 and 1.5. GFG had a raw one that could be the SGC 1.5, or maybe it's still raw. I've had a lot of help from board members to get to 67. I still have lots of other want-lists going to keep me busy. |
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Rob Speaking about Doolan....my Doolan has evidence that it was glued to the outside of the carton which contained approx. 200 cigarettes of this new T-brand. My contention is that 1910 COUPON cigarettes were never packaged in the standard "10-pack" format (as most of the Tobacco products of that time). Furthermore, it's my guess that the cards with no paper loss on their backs were simply inserted within these cartons of cigarettes. Quite a number of my 1910 COUPON cards have this typical paper loss on their backs since I was able to acquire them at less cost. How many of your cards have the paper loss problem ? http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ONDoolanBx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb75xb.jpg TED Z x T206 Reference . |
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Ted, I'm currently going through and scanning what I have for T213-1. I will get back to you on an exact count later this week. I have upgraded along the way, so most of my near set is free of back damage, but I have a lot of lower grade duplicates with all sorts of back damage. Here's a Mathewson with back damage.
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IMO the paper loss/addition and glue residue on some of the T213-1's is the same as what is seen on many of the cards from that era that were glued in scrap books.
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Rob Whenever you report back is fine with me. I never get tired of our 1910 COUPON discussions. You and I really appreciate the complexity of this 68-card set. Ted Breitenstein is my favorite Southern Leaguer in this set. Ted pitched a "perfect" No-Hitter in his 1st Major League start, pitching for the St. Louis Browns (Oct. 4th, 1891). https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...350xCOUPON.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...50xCOUPONb.jpg One of my favorite Major Leaguers in this set is Miller Huggins. He was a tough card to find, that fit nicely into my Miller Huggins collection. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ponhuggins.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onhugginsb.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Suggested here is a lesser challenge than putting together this set. Try doing a fun-run of your favorite Major League team.
I am having fun doing this with several teams. Currently, Detroit being my best (I still need Donovan, Killian, and Schmidt). http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ponsummers.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...NWillett25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Willett25b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onMcIntyre.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nMcIntyreb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ONRossmanX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...NRossmanBk.jpg 1910 COUPON Major League checklist for forming TEAM runs...... Becker......Boston NL Bender (trees)......A's Byrne......St Louis NL Campbell......Cincinnati Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL Charles......St Louis NL Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL Chase (dark cap)......New York AL Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit Cree......New York AL Donovan (throwing)......Detroit Doolan (fielding)......Phillies Dubuc......Cincinnati Dunn......Brooklyn Engle......New York AL Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL Fletcher.....New York NL Hartsel......A's Hoffman......St Louis AL Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati Hunter......Brooklyn Killian (portrait)......Detroit Knabe......Phillies LaPorte......New York AL Lennox......Brooklyn Marquard (portrait)......New York NL Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL Marshall......Brooklyn McBride......Washington McElveen......Brooklyn McIntyre.......Detroit Mitchell.......Cincinnati Mowery......Cincinnati Myers (bat)......New York NL Myers (fielding)......New York NL Paskert.......Cincinnati Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland Rossman......Detroit Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit Starr......Boston NL Street (portrait)......Washington Summers......Detroit Sweeney.......Boston NL Thomas......A's Willett......Detroit Wilson......Pittsburg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted, and any other Coupon collectors that would like to chime in, I counted 44/104 T213-1 with minor to major back damage. I have upgraded over the last 40 years, so if I have a nicer example, I don't add a new dupe with back damage. In other words, the percentage of Coupon 1's with back damage may be higher than 40%.
Here are 4 tougher cards that I do not have dupes for, and would like to upgrade, plus 4 examples of Fletcher. |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
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Your set and inventory of 1910 COUPON cards, with respect to back damage percentage, is comparable to that I have seen searching for these cards throughout the years. And speaking about "inventory".....would you have a duplicate Elberfeld that you would be willing to sell (or trade) me ? I am very close to completing my Elberfeld Quintuplicate run ? http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erfeldDRUM.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Hey guys,
Scratch my above request for Elberfeld. I meant to say Engle. I am working on the Quintuplicate run of Engle (Yankees). TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Good news, I had forgotten I upgraded Engle at Hunt 4 years ago.
In his encyclopedia, Lew Lipset said about T213-1, "It is doubtful that the set is complete at 68." It was in the 1980's and nothing new has surfaced. I'm guessing that is not still his belief. It would be fun to find a new T213-1, like Collins, Tris Speaker, or Bresnahan bat. |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Thanks to Rob McKenzie....I have completed my 1910 COUPON Yankees team run.
Net54....you are the greatest ! https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ueChaseX50.jpg------http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sedkcap38x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ueChase25b.jpg------http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...apChase50b.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uponEngLap.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ponEngLaPb.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Billy Campbell Quadruplicate run. I intended to make this a Quintuplicate run; however, his DRUM is not to be found.
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I will continue searching for Campbell with a DRUM back. As, I don't think he is a DRUM no-print. Twenty-three 350-only subjects were not printed with the DRUM back. They are ...... Barger G. Brown (Washington) Byrne Collins (Minneapolis) Cross Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn) Demmitt (New York) Joe Doyle Elberfeld (portrait--Washington) Evans Gray Groom Kleinow (catching--New York) Lundgren (Kansas City) Mattern McLean Mowery O'Hara (New York) Puttman Rhoades (arm extended) Rossman Shannon F. Smith (Chicago--white cap) TED Z T206 Reference . |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Here we go again....if I could find Doolan's DRUM card, I would have his QUINTUPLICATE
run. Whatever, for the time being, I am happy to have his QUADRUPLICATE back run. . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle350xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cle350bxxx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Well, since interest in T206 runs (complicated....complete....or unique) appears to be wanning in this thread, we'll have to move onto another T206 topic.
I'm open for any suggestions from members of this glorious forum ? ? TED Z T206 Reference . |
T206 Reference / Reflections......Tuesday Nite Trivia
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lCYoung12x.jpg He has hit the first HR's at Major League Stadiums in 3 major instances. Who is this famous Ballplayer ? TED Z T206 Reference . |
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TRIVIA hint......
He is a well-known Baseball figure, who has quite a significant World Series Batting Average. TED Z T206 Reference . |
[QUOTE=tedzan;2383346]TRIVIA hint......
He is a well-known Baseball figure, who has quite a significant World Series Batting Average. TED Z Max Carey? |
Hugh Duffy?
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Charles and Bill
Good guesses, but not the ballplayer I am looking for. Keep trying, you are on getting warm. TED Z T206 Reference . |
Frank "HR" Baker?
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I did not think this quiz would be this tough. Here is one more hint.....
He played BB for 14 years, on five different East Coast teams TED Z T206 Reference . |
Hmmm....this one's a tough one! As another guess, he's not a t206 player, but could it be Casey Stengel?
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I was thinking that as well...but I thought it had to be a T206 player. Casey meets the other clues (14 years, five teams, high World Series batting average) and I know he hit the first home run in Ebbets Field (not sure what the other two stadiums are).
I see now that Ted never said it was a T206 player...but I guess since it was in the T206 thread I was not clear. |
I never noticed this before but the fact that there are several southern leaguers in the 213-1 (aka 1910) coupon set, really complicates the concept (now taboo?) of coupons being considered t206 cards and just a burdick classification mistake. It really seems to point to a completely unique way the creators conceived and built the coupon offering.
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Hey guys,
You guessed the right guy.... CASEY STENGEL ....I knew you would. Casey hit the first home run in Ebbets Field (April 5, 1913). In the 1923 World Series vs the Yankees, Stengel’s inside-the-park HR in the ninth inning won Game One for McGraw’s Giants. This moment was immortalized, as it was the first HR in Yankee Stadium. WORLD SERIES BA 1916.... .364 1922.... .400 1923.... .417 ----------------------- Total......393 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...210Stengel.jpg ------ --https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ngel%20_2_.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Thanks, as always, for the fun trivia challenge, Ted. Love the T210 Stengel too!
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T206 Breakdown:
Southern Leaguers - 48 Hall of Famers - 76 (36 AL HOFers, 36 NL HOFers, 4 ML HOFers) Minor Leagues - 82 (minus the 4 HOFers) American League - 150 (minus the 36 HOFers) National League - 168 (minus the 36 HOFers) |
A good, and puzzling trivia challenge, Ted. Thank you.
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You are very welcome. Casey Stengel fascinated me, when he became NY Yankees Manager in 1949. I was only 10 years old then. I could tell you many stories of how he led the Yankees to the five consecutive World Championships (1949 to 1953). Especially, when Johnny Mize single-handedly beat the Dodgers in the 1952 W.S. Furthermore, Don Larsen's PERFECT W.S. game in 1956. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Incidentally Frank,
Charlotte got her wish.....we have moved from the Farmhouse property in Pennsylvania to a 55+ Elderly community, nearby. And the Orchid flower plant you gave us, when you visited us, still blooms beautifully. Take care my good friend, https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...peBarnyard.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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SABR quote...... "Stengel’s inside-the-park home run in the ninth inning won Game One for McGraw’s Giants. The moment was immortalized by a Damon Runyon column which began “This is the way old Casey Stengel ran yesterday.” Two days later, Casey hit another home run in Game Three, giving the Giants a 1-0 victory." TED Z T206 Reference . |
Bump - a vivid reminder of the knowledge lost today. :(
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^^^^ thank you
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I think we can all collectively agree that we need to preserve and carry on the grand legacy that Ted has left for us. The world has lost a heck of an individual.
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I wish I had visited with Ted and Charlotte one more time... He and I had multiple common interests beyond ball cards. Ted was an intelligent, soft spoken gentleman.
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