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03-23-2006, 11:51 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThis is the "Rodney Dangerfield" set of vintage card collecting..... that is, "it doesn't get much respect". On this current Forum54 page two posters have initiated topics regarding this set and there has not been much of a follow-up. This has also been true of past postings on this set. Well, I will tell you I have a lot of RESPECT for this set, as it took me quite a few years to complete it. Fortunately, I did it when it was still affordable. My 1st E90-1 card was the really tough Mike Mitchell, since in an early '80s BB card Mag. it was listed as a "must buy" rare card. So, being a set collector, once I acquired it, I thought the remaining 119 cards would be "easy". Boy, was I in for a rude awakening. The backs of these Caramel cards advertised 100 Subjects and this was likely the intended original design. But, the American Caramel Co. kept adding cards of players due to trades during 1909 - 1911. In fact the 2nd Cy Young (pitching pose) card reflects his trade to Cleveland. Two cards were issued of Fred Clarke....the 1st erroneously depicted him with Philadelphia; then, they corrected this by issuing a 2nd card of him with Pittsburg. And, the list of additional cards goes on and on. Anyhow, I don't claim to be an expert on this set, but I would be curious to see how many members on this Forum have completed this set ? Come on let's talk it up...."this is the kind of stuff that (BB card) dreams are made of"....Trivia....what movie is that quote from ?

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03-23-2006, 12:03 PM

Posted By: Tom Boblitthad about 65-70 of the set....the generally 'easy' ones with a couple toughies. They all have new homes now!

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03-23-2006, 12:04 PM

Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)Ted, I used to collect this set a long time ago. It was really cheap in the 80's. For some reason or other people didn't like the caramel sets too much back then. That's one reason I started to pick them up because they could be had for a song. I got through about 40 - 50 different cards and then got interested in other things. I ended up trading most of them within the last 10 years or so. I only kept a few of the cards. They truly are a nice set to collect. The poses and colors make them attractive. The nice challenge about this set is that it has over 100 cards with a lot of great players. I guess the amount of players and distribution (relative to T206) makes this set kind of tough to finish but it is a goal that can be reached (unless you need Jackson and Mitchell, then it might be a little expensive and/or tough).

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03-23-2006, 12:39 PM

Posted By: Peter ThomasTed, I had complete set minus Jackson, but with 2 Mitchells - one very nice(PSA 5). Many cards were trimmed. Now I just have the Boston cards all graded in the 3 to 5 range. Sometime will get the ones that are not in SGC holders crossed over. I am back from Honduras and will email you about 49 Leafs.

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03-23-2006, 12:54 PM

Posted By: ddI own 30-40 cards from this set, mostly HOFERS. Not tempted to complete the set but do enjoy some of the individual cards.

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03-23-2006, 12:57 PM

Posted By: jay behrensLooking back at what I collected in the 80s, probably my only regret was not paying more attention to caramel cards, this set in particular. I was always on the lookout for a Jax, but could never find one at a price I liked. Jay WOW upsidedown is MOM. Mom upsidedown is what dad wants to see.

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03-23-2006, 02:38 PM

Posted By: Bob Pomilla"this is the kind of stuff that (BB card) dreams are made of"....Trivia....what movie is that quote from ? The Maltese Falcon

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03-23-2006, 03:11 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBob You got it right....you are the Trivia King for the day. Now, do you recall who, of the 3 main actors in that particular scene in the Maltese Falcon, said this quote ?

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03-23-2006, 03:30 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBut I'll go with Sidney Greenstreet.

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03-23-2006, 03:40 PM

Posted By: Bob Pomilla????

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03-23-2006, 04:41 PM

Posted By: Steve DawsonBogey Steve

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03-23-2006, 05:47 PM

Posted By: RayBPeter Lorre? I currently have around 15 of these E90-1's and as Ringo says they "Don't Come Easy". Even the low graders that I dabble in get a lot of play. I like a challenge, but ultimately this might end up being more than I can handle...what a glorious set though. We'll see. RayB

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03-23-2006, 06:03 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPETER Two Mike Mitchell cards, now that is really amazing. Besides the one in my set, I have only seen one more in the past 24 years. This card, with its bright Yellow background, sparks a certain "mystique" in my imagination very similar to when I see a real T206 Wagner or Plank or Magie....or a 1934 LaJoie....or even a 1952 Topps Mantle or 1954 Bowman Ted Williams.

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03-23-2006, 08:18 PM

Posted By: BobIt was Bogey. The E90-1 set is not as hot as the other caramel card sets right now with the exception of the very scarce cards in the set and the horizontals. There are actually cards like David Shean which are almost impossible to find and yet no one ever acknowledges it in a publication or post. I put the set together (minus Joe Jax) card by card so I know how tough Upp, Shean, Walsh, etc really are. One of these days the set will come back in to fashion, it is always a matter of time. Look how long it took the T207 and M116 sets to start taking off...

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03-23-2006, 08:24 PM

Posted By: Anonymousis the e107 breisch williams set tougher than the e90-1 by far?

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03-23-2006, 10:08 PM

Posted By: Bretti wish i could buy a e107 for under $200 !

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03-24-2006, 06:04 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAnd, the Winners are Steve D. and Bob M. In the last scene in the Maltese Falcon are Bogart, Mary Astor, Barton McLane, and Ward Bond (the two Detectives). Ward Bond asks Bogey about the statue and Bogey tells him....."it is the stuff that dreams are made of". Barry....did you know that this is Sidney Greenstreet's "rookie" movie ? OK, down to business.....I will not argue with those that argue that the Breisch-Williams set is tougher than the E90-1. However, since the E107 cards were produced before such greats as Cobb, Jackson, and Johnson, it doesn't get much respect as it probably deserves. There is no doubt, and a proven fact, that certain stars (and the more of them) make for a given BB card set's popularity. Nevertheless, with 158 cards in it (including Matty and Wagner), the E107 set is certainly a challenging set to complete. I chose to collect the E90-1 cards because they were colorful, they included all the major stars of that era, and I had a headstart with the rare cards in this set.

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03-24-2006, 08:51 AM

Posted By: leonWhen talking about e90-1 vs E107 I guess it should be pointed out that no one (that I am aware of) has ever completed an E107 set. regards

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03-24-2006, 09:01 AM

Posted By: Andy BaranThere is no comparison when it comes to scarcity between the 2 sets. I am confident that each individual player in the E107 set is more rare than the E90-1 Mitchel. I personally don't believe that the Mitchel is that rare. It is certainly more rare than the other cards in the set, but it is not impossible to find. The internet has changed my opinion of the scarcity of that card. If you were traveling to card shows in the 80's looking to find one, odds are you would probably come up short. But in today's market, there is a Mitchel available in almost every major auction. The fact that the E107 set is less collected has nothing to do with lack of respect for the issue. To the contrary, I would guess that most collectors have a tremendous amount of respect for this set. It is not as popular among collectors because the cards are so scarce, and the prices have climbed to levels beyond the budgets of many collectors. Putting together a set of E107's would be an astonishing accomplishment, and one that has never been done to the best of my knowledge.

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03-24-2006, 09:54 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisHey guys....I started this out as an "upbeat" Thread on what in my opinion is an "unheralded" set....E90-1. And, was hoping to generate some interesting experiences by Forum members' in collecting these cards. After all, it is a major BB card set. Instead, we are starting to de-generate into a "this vs that" conver- sation. Hey, we all fully appreciate the difficulty in acquiring a near set, or perhaps even all 158 cards to complete the E107 set. And, that would certainly make for a extremely interesting Thread on its own. But, where did I, initially, try to compare these two sets ? NO WHERE ! Continuing, so far Peter Thomas, Bob Marquette, and I have put to- gether the E90-1 set (119 or 120 cards). And, several guys have col- lected approx. 1/2 the set. That's fine, and it would be interesting to get more inputs on these cards.

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03-24-2006, 10:13 AM

Posted By: barrysloateLeonard Maltin's book says it is Sydney Greenstreet's first talkie- that suggests he made some silent movies.

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03-24-2006, 10:15 AM

Posted By: Bob ShannonTed, I own 119/120.....Need Joe Jax. Bob <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143137675.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1140094944.JPG">

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03-24-2006, 10:45 AM

Posted By: Scott GrossThanks Ted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As an originator of the "How many Mitchell's are out there" thread, I'm glad you got some responce to this one (I got 3 -- thanks, Jay, Bob S., and again, Ted -- <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>). I was almost ready to take my Duffy, go home, and cry myself to sleep ..... Other than my interest (obsession) with this GREAT set, is my quandry on why it is hardly discussed. A beautiful set, caramels are hot, not too large, HOFs, rarities ... all adds up to a popular discussion topic. But mention it, and you get the ssssssssssssshhhh. From reading some of the post, both on the lines and inbtween the lines, along with my own opinion, I think this set has too many secrets: Not a big T206er, but I can name big five and come close to 6-10. T207 Loudermilk, e102 Miller fielding, t205 Hobby, etc. etc. And most casual hobbyists can come up with e90 Mitchell, Speaker, Sweeney, Graham, etc. But, as memtioned, not that many know that "Shean" is a killer, and maybe it's best to keep it that way. I mentioned that Upp was the last "common" I need in a tread, and the next thing I know I have two guys from the Sapprano's knocking at my door .... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> This all may sound negative and paranoid, but it isn't ... heck next time a Dougherty come up for auction, I'll be deaf, dumd, and blind too. I also think this is a perfect example of a set that had it's run in the 80-90's and is taking some time off to other sets, and will have a comeback in the (near) future. Sorry, got to go, just got a call from a "Mr. Dougherty."

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03-24-2006, 10:49 AM

Posted By: BobOne card which wasn't that difficult for me (I guess I was very lucky) was the McLean card. I have seen astonishing bids on it whenever it pops up on ebay. The Speaker is also tough and I have only seen a couple in vg-ex or better in the last 5 or 6 years for sale. It usually is an SGC 10 or PSA 1 when you find one. My last card to find was the Shean, I would be curious to see which was the last card for the rest of you.

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03-24-2006, 11:08 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBOB S Thanks for showing the Mitchell card. And, congrats on acquiring the 119 cards in the set. BARRY S My Film Encyclopedia says it was his very 1st screen debut. Perhaps he was a stage actor in his native England before he came to America. In any event, I can't imagine not hearing Sidney Greenstreet's voice. He and Peter Lorre were a "classic" pair.

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03-24-2006, 12:00 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThe Maltese Falcon was made in 1941 and talkies were around for more than a dozen years, so it doesn't make sense to me either...there's a research project for you- what was Sydney Greenstreet doing in the 1930's? You can multitask it while cataloguing E90-1's.

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03-24-2006, 12:01 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisSCOTT G. You started, what I thought would be an interesting and informative Thread on a subject that isn't talked about much on this Forum. And, it "died". In fact, I was the last to post on your Thread. Sorry, my post must of been the "kiss of death". I really don't understand it. Anyhow, it's been over 10 years, but I think Shean was my the 120th card to complete the set. I don't recall, but is Shean Boston (NL) or Chicago (NL) in the E90-1 set ? I ask this because in the T205 set Shean (Chi-NL) is quite tough. He was traded twice in 1911...from Boston to Chi and then back to Boston. Uncertainty such as this cause player's cards to become tough to acquire, as more than likely they were "short-printed". Examples of this are in the T206 set. Subsequent trades of Demmitt, O'Hara, Elberfeld, Dahlen, Kleinow, and others during this set's production are some that come to mind.

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03-24-2006, 02:23 PM

Posted By: BobTed- I am curious if the other collectors who have put together the E90-1 set have it sans slabs. Mine is and I wonder if the others are also... Bob

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03-24-2006, 03:08 PM

Posted By: robert aI have not tried to complete the e90 set, but I've paid attention to the toughies and tried to keep track of a few of them as they popped up for sale (not in people's collections). I know for sure that I've seen duffy the least. This might have to do with the fact that mitchell is a little bit more sought after due to its status as the toughest in the set (people are more likely to sell it because they know it will bring good money). I've never been able to find a speaker or a walsh for my collection, but have seen two walsh cards (different examples) available over the last year. I've seen one speaker (very lowgrade) offered publicly since last summer. I haven't followed karger closely enough, but know that i've seen more than one on ebay. I have a keeler horizontal and think it's a tough card, but nowhere near the top three toughies imho. Jackson is interesting because it's one of those cards (like e90-3 gandil and e98 matty) that aren't known as toughies for the set, but still are scarce because they're highly collectible. Well, doesn't that make them tough? I think so. Tough to find is tough to find. Still, jackson can be found more often than duffy. Robert

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03-24-2006, 04:24 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBOB M Pardon my ignorance, but I am not sure what you mean by "sans slabs" ? Please enlighten me. As far as my sets are concerned....I let all the cards in my sets "breathe". The only "slabbed" cards I have are for sale.

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03-24-2006, 04:25 PM

Posted By: BenSans = french for "without".

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03-24-2006, 05:59 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks Ben I don't know French....don't care to....but I know Greek. So, to me it's "OCHIE"....that's Greek for NO Therefore, I say "Ochie Plastics" for my cards.

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03-24-2006, 06:07 PM

Posted By: ockdayIt's taken me about 3 years but I have finally completed my e90-1 set. The last 2 cards I needed were McLean and finally Walsh.Some observations from the past 3 years... Duffy and Speaker in decent shape are extremely tough to find. M.Mitchell and Jackson were more readily available if you were willing to pay the price.Others like Bemis and Richie in nice condition are hard to find. All my cards are SGC graded and there is also another complete set in better condition than mine on the SGC registry. Alan

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03-24-2006, 06:07 PM

Posted By: Dan Koteleslets not forget that Hugh Duffy card, not only is it a toughy ,but a stunner in the set.

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03-25-2006, 11:58 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisSo far, there are 6 Forum members who have acquired 119/120 cards to com- plete this set. Of course, I did not expect a large number of completed sets as these cards are not as available as the numerous T-cards. And, the popularity of Candy cards seems to be a relatively recent phenomena.

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03-25-2006, 03:01 PM

Posted By: AnonymousI have the registry set, Caramel Monster and am far along on a second.

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03-25-2006, 06:50 PM

Posted By: brian pI stopped at an even 100 a few years ago (actually 101--tbob got my Shean), and didn't bother with acquiring the expensive rarities and most of the big dollar star cards. About 50-60 of the more common non-star cards can be had for as cheap as any of the the small size E-cards, at least in the lower grades. A great set, and one that definitely gets overlooked, at least on this board. Brian

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03-25-2006, 07:40 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBrian P Your set counts in my book....after all, Am Car advertised 100 subjects on the back of these cards. And, you attained that number of cards. Besides, the remaining 20 "toughies" are there essentially because of last minute trades or corrections. Yomass Great going, your a man close to my heart. I, too, like to complete sets in multiples. I've done that with N162, T206, '33 Goudey, '41 PlayBall, and Bowmans (1948 & 1949) and finally....DARE....I....say....1952 TOPPS. (pardon me LEON for that last remark). I have collected at least two of each of these sets in the past 25 years, and many more of the 1948 & 1949 Bowmans. However, with this "baby", I was content with just one set. More power to you guy, I am really impressed. I forgot to add.....VILLANOVA.....all the way to the Championship !

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03-26-2006, 11:04 AM

Posted By: Scott GrossTed, To answer your Shean team question, he is designated as Boston NL. Upon checking that info out, a light bulb went off above my head, sometimes just a faint night-light, none-the-less ..... Check out a sampling of e90-1 Boston NL players: Shean, B. Sweeney, Graham, Richie. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe Am. Caramel finally decided to put out some cards from the worst 1909-11 team (142-315 record those 3 years): "They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked." -- Homer Simpson. Although to be fair to the decent Boston Americans: Stahl, Speaker, Karger, Young, Hall . . . . . Cincinnati: Mitchell, MClean, Lobert ......... man my heads starting to hurt. And, yes, somewhere John Pinone's smiling .... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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03-26-2006, 02:17 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisScott I think you have "stumbled" across the possible explanation for why certain cards are so difficult in this set. Your Boston "connection" appears to be the 1st key. But, I will carry it further by lumping in both Boston teams' players. And, there is a 2nd "conspiracy" regarding Cinc. players. What do the following players have in common....TOUGH Boston (AL) players..Hall, Karger, Schlitzer, Speaker, Stahl, Sweeney. Boston (NL) players..Donlin, Graham, Shean, Tenney (mgr), Cy Young (traded) Cincinnati players.....Karger, Lobert, Mitchell Note....Karger gets a "Double Whammy" as he was traded to Boston in 1909. So, for some unknown reason the Phladelphia based Co. that produced the E90-1 Caramel cards had a problem with portraying these players and there- fore we can only conclude that they were short-printed.

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03-26-2006, 02:22 PM

Posted By: cmokinglooks like the #1 set on the PSA Registry will be in REA, here's the link to the <a href="http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=4660&universeid=314" target="_blank">article on the PSA site</a> And the link to the <a href="http://www.psacard.com/set%5Fregistry/display_cards.chtml?rsetid=47024&alltime=yes&rank=1&tied=0&requesttimeout=9999" target="_blank">set on the PSA Registry.</a> Any guesses as to the final hammer price?

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03-26-2006, 03:03 PM

Posted By: Paul KaufmanTed- I think that you and Scott are on to something here.....I count 6 cards each for Boston AL, Boston NL and Cinn. ......could these be the additional 18 cards added later to the original 100 ? If you add on the two variation cards: Clarke Pitts. and Keeler Portrait Red, then you have the 120 cards that we now consider a complete E90-1 set. Regards, Paul

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03-26-2006, 04:13 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPAUL I am not certain these additional 20 cards can be explained as easy as we have speculated here. Nevertheless, I like the way you summarized this on- going mystery on the E90-1 set. I sold my set at several years ago, so I am asking an important Question ? Regarding the two Cy Young cards.....is he depicted with Boston (AL), or Cleveland, or Boston (NL) on these cards ? He was traded from Boston (AL) to Cleveland in 1909; and, finally traded to Boston (NL) on July 1911. These 3 years span the time period this set was in production.

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03-26-2006, 04:19 PM

Posted By: Paul KaufmanYes, Ted, the Cy Young Portrait is a Boston card. I guess this puts a dent in the overall theory. Perhaps the two variation cards, Clarke Pitts and Keeler Portrait red were changed within the 1909 period of the first 100 cards. I guess we still have to account for Young traded to Cleveland for 1911 and Duffy named Manager for 1910. You are correct, though, that the short prints do provide much food for thought. Paul

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03-26-2006, 04:24 PM

Posted By: Paul KaufmanThe Cy Young portrait is a Boston American League card.

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03-26-2006, 05:05 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPAUL Thanks for confirming the Cy Young portrait as Boston (AL). I do recall that the Pitching version of Young being Cleveland. And, I would be willing to bet that Duffy was not in the initial Series of 100 cards; but, was an added in 1910 when he became Mgr. of Chicago (AL). And therefore, a certain short-print. Also, I would be willing to bet that Clarke (Phila-NL) was in the first Series of 100. Subsequently, they added his 2nd card (corrected as Pitts). Logically, this has to be what occured. It doesn't make any sense, otherwise.

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03-27-2006, 07:08 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAndrew Great looking CY....do you having his pitching pose to show us ? Also, anymore E90-1 cards to display ? Come you E90-1 collectors.....show-off your cards. If I still had my set, I would display all 120 of them.

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03-27-2006, 07:39 AM

Posted By: Bob Shannon<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143387448.JPG"> e90-1 Speaker - Tough Card!! <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1140094944.JPG">

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03-27-2006, 06:13 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisDon't stop....keep showing them. Bob Shannon Thanks for displaying my favorite card in this set....Tris Speaker The Mike Mitchell is my 2nd favorite, simply because this card had an aura of mystery surrounding it. Why do we have to pay such a high price for just an average ballplayer of that time period. Perhaps ole Clark Griffith, his Mgr those years, wouldn't let Mike sign on with Am. Caramel. However, they added him to their 100 card Series, anyhow. Me thinks near the end of their production run. This card somewhat reminds me of the Plank card in the T206 set. It, too, has an aura of mystery about it. And, believe it or not, in the early 1980's the Mitchell card carried a pricetag not to much different than the T206 Plank. Of course as the T206 set's popularity increased significantly, the difference in $$$$ between these two cards became quite significant.

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03-27-2006, 06:31 PM

Posted By: Paul KaufmanTed - your perspective is............PRICELESS.

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03-27-2006, 08:12 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldWell I wish that image of the Jackson card didn't have the overlay on it. Would have been nice to have seen only "card". A few years ago I almost bought one for $100. A guy listed it in a newsletter. I got the mail, opened it while working, and called during lunch. The guy had just sold the card to another caller a few minutes earlier.... RATZ! I recall the first Mitchell I found, and I was a bit taken aback by it. It is really somewhat ugly, I thought. Harsh colors. But one tough card. There was a thread on the difficult E90-1 cards a couple of months ago. So I won't repeat that stuff, but to say that the Upp card is way underpriced in the guides, and the Plank card is somewhat underpriced, not so much for difficulty, but for demand. Folks wanting a card of each Hall of Famer have few options on Plank. Gotta love these dog eared candy cards. Kids got 'em and wore them out, carrying them in their pockets and all; not like the T cards that adults obtained, so there was a bit of care for those, initially. Frank.

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03-28-2006, 12:52 PM

Posted By: Troy KirkWell, E90-1 is my favorite set, so I thought I'd chime in. I have 101 of these, missing most of the big ticket cards and some Hall of Famers. I could probably get to 110 without too much trouble if I wanted to spend some money, but might not ever add another. I got most of them in the 1980s and added a few more in the early days of ebay, but none for several years at least. I have a Shean, probably got it early as I don't remember having any trouble with that one. I always thought the Young Cleveland card didn't picture Cy Young, so I never really pursued that one very hard, any other opinions on that?

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03-28-2006, 01:05 PM

Posted By: Jim ManosCorrect me if I am wrong on the above guotes it sounds like the below are the hardest NOT IN ORDER OF VALUE; Mitchel Cinncy Upp Karger Plank Jackson Speaker Peaches Graham (hardest??) Duffy Clarke Pitt Sweeny Walsh Am I missing any??

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03-28-2006, 01:27 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAdd these to your list: Donlin Joss Keeler Lobert Shean Stahl Tenney Walsh Young (Clev-pitching) and I am sure we could come up with a few more. T-Rex Ted

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03-28-2006, 01:37 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisCongrayulations Troy With 101 cards you qualify as the 10th guy with a near complete set. I know what you mean by the CYoung pitching pose, but there are other portrayals in this set that bear little resemblance to the players we know. These particular cards remind me of the Buchner (N284) set pix. Big mistake....not getting the Young back then when he was affordable.

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03-28-2006, 02:44 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundA few more e90-1's...I currently have 49 out of 120 <img src="http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3584/e901keeler6zo.jpg"> <img src="http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9657/e901mathewson5mv.jpg">

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03-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisGreg Nice cards....keep collecting you're 1/2 to a 100 card set. Boy, looking at all these pictures brings back many memories of this set. However, I have no regrets selling this set, as I made a really great deal at the time. Which, then enabled me to com- plete 3 of my sets.....my 1933 Goudey set.....my 1949 Leaf set and....PARDON THE EXPRESSION....guys....but I have to say my 1952 TOPPS set.

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03-30-2006, 05:01 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisCome on guys.....show off your E90-1 Caramels So far, I count only 23 diff. cards on display. I am sure you have more to share with us. And, I am still looking for the last card in this set, Cy Young (pitching pose-Cleveland) ? How about the "mysterious" Upp card....let's see what he looks like ? And, I am surprised this has gone unnnoticed till now.....why wasn't Walter Johnson pictured in this set ?

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03-30-2006, 06:26 AM

Posted By: AnonymousI remember someone started a thread a while back raising that very question, but took it a step further. Why isn't he in many of the E-sets at all? I would think the Big Train deserved a right to be pictured in the E-sets of the time. Here it is: <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1120768313/last-1120791560/lack+of+walter+johnson+caramels" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1120768313/last-1120791560/lack+of+walter+johnson+caramels</a>

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03-30-2006, 10:14 AM

Posted By: Scott GrossAlong with everything else great about this set ........... COLOR .......... COLOR .......... COLOR .......... <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90bell.jpg"> <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90corridon.jpg"> <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90knightL.jpg"> <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90lajoie.jpg"> <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90lombert.jpg"> <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90seigle.jpg"> ....... and Ted, just for you ........ <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90youngCLEV.jpg">

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03-30-2006, 10:15 AM

Posted By: JimBIt may be because most caramel sets were quite small (not the case with E90-1) and Johnson was young and on a losing team. It is certainly a shame. JimB

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03-30-2006, 11:56 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisScott G I knew you would answer the call for the additional CYoung card....Thanx. This card tells us that Am Car started producing this set in 1908. This 2nd Young card in the set was added to the original 100 cards to reflect his trade to Cleveland in Feb 1909. Andrew and JimB A possible reason for no Walter Johnson is that Am Caramel for whatever reasons chose not to portray Washinghton players. I vaguely recall (and I am sure one of you guys will probably correct me, if I am wrong) that the only Washington player in this entire set is Bob Unglaub.

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03-30-2006, 12:51 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundThere were other Washington players in the set - I know of these for sure but there may be one or two more: Blankenship Gray Groom Schaefer (pictured with Detroit, team name is Washington)

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03-30-2006, 02:17 PM

Posted By: Scott GrossThanks, Bob, for sharing your Upp ..... I know Oakes is famous for having his glove extend beyound the border ..... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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03-30-2006, 09:41 PM

Posted By: Brian LindholmeMy offering...a bit on the worn side but a very cool pose of Tinker's unique haircut ! Take care, Brian L <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143697438.JPG">

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03-30-2006, 10:22 PM

Posted By: Brian LindholmeGuys do you realize that if we all pulled together and posted each of the E90-1 cards in the set...one scan per post that we would still linger behind the silly Barry Bonds thread by 100 posts or more? Do you think we could do actually post an entire set one scan at a time from as many unique collections as possible?? Sounds like a safe non-steroid activity to me...Here's a Joss that I traded away a few months ago... Enjoy, Brian L familytoad <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143699640.JPG">

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03-31-2006, 07:07 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBrian L. I fully agree with you. So far, there are 35 diff cards on display. We can fill up this Thread with the remaining 85 cards in this set, so keep showing your cards, guys. We have accounted for 10 near complete sets; therefore, there is no excuse why you can't do it.

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03-31-2006, 08:16 AM

Posted By: Bill KaselI'll throw my hat into the ring. Here's the Oakes. LOVE THAT CARD! <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143735337.JPG"> Great idea guys! Bill My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

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03-31-2006, 08:51 AM

Posted By: jay behrensjust to make zach happy <img src="http://www.attic2cash.net/cards/e92oakes.jpg"> it's a Nadja, but the colors are just unreal on my example. Jay WOW upsidedown is MOM. Mom upsidedown is what dad wants to see.

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03-31-2006, 08:57 AM

Posted By: Justin Manning<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/jpaol99/otherecards/websize/scan0005.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/jpaol99/otherecards/websize/scan0003_1.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/jpaol99/otherecards/websize/scan0003_2.jpg"> My collection: <a href="http://ImageEvent.com/jpaol99" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://ImageEvent.com/jpaol99</a>

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03-31-2006, 09:44 AM

Posted By: ockday<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143740676.JPG">

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03-31-2006, 11:18 AM

Posted By: Zach RiceJay, i'm jumping with joy ! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://mzm55collection.com/oakes.JPG">

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03-31-2006, 12:48 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThere are 5 cards in this set printed Horizontally....Buster Brown, Charlie Hall, Addie Joss (pitching), Willie Keeler (throwing) and John Siegle. This Keeler card depicts him as NY Giant. He ended his career as a Giant in 1910. Which suggests that this card of him was printed very late in the production run, and therefore, short-printed. This card's very high price reflects this fact. The two earlier Keeler cards identify him as a NY Highlander. The Buster Brown card has him with Boston (NL), which reflects him being traded to July 1909. Charlie Hall was involved in a trade from Cinc to Bost(AL) in 1909. Addie Joss (portrait) in the earlier Series and in this late Series he is depicted in a pitching pose. I suspect that this card was printed later in in production process. I am not sure why Johnny Siegle (sic..Seigle) is in this set, as his very short playing career ended in 1906.

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03-31-2006, 10:46 PM

Posted By: Troy Kirk<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143787091.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143787193.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143787394.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143787477.JPG">

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04-01-2006, 09:04 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPaul K Your E90-1 Wagner is about the nicest one I have seen. Even my set which was overall Vg/Ex to Ex didn't have either Wagner cards as nice as yours. This picture of Wagner is the exact one found in the T216 set (Kotton, or Mino, or Virginia Extra tobacco brands).

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04-01-2006, 09:31 AM

Posted By: Paul KaufmanThanks, Ted......you can see more by going to the SGC Set Registry.....I have posted images of all my cards. Regards, Paul

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04-01-2006, 10:14 AM

Posted By: Andrew ParksTed, It's in the E102 set, too: <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ap13/e102sgraded/websize/wags_fld.JPG">

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04-01-2006, 10:26 AM

Posted By: jay behrensand e101 <img src="http://www.attic2cash.net/cards/e101wagner.jpg"> Jay WOW upsidedown is MOM. Mom upsidedown is what dad wants to see.

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04-01-2006, 12:02 PM

Posted By: Bob Shannon<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143835136.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143835163.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143835233.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143835259.JPG"> A few more e90-1's <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1140094944.JPG">

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04-01-2006, 12:30 PM

Posted By: cmoking<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143836993.JPG">

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04-01-2006, 06:15 PM

Posted By: Justin Manningand the E106 <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/jpaol99/otherecards/websize/scan0035.jpg">

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04-01-2006, 06:37 PM

Posted By: Colt McClelland<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/cmcclelland/e901americancaramels/websize/graham_13.jpg">

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04-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Posted By: cmokinghey, that e106 has Honus at 2B. is that the only one? any idea why?

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04-01-2006, 06:58 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisIn the T216 set Wagner has 4 cards...... Two as a SS......Batting and Throwing Two as a 2b......Batting and Throwing

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04-01-2006, 07:36 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPeaches Graham....now there's a real "toughie" in this set. And, another Boston player....what's with this set and the scarcity of cards portraying Boston (AL or NL) players ? After looking at all these cards, I think I will start putting together a 2nd set. I found these E90-1 cards in my "junk" box, so here I go again. I am not going to be fussy this time, as is evident with these 4 cards, so this set should be more affordable. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/echase.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ecriger.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ekeeler.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ejennngs.jpg">

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04-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Posted By: Colt McClelland<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/cmcclelland/e901americancaramels/websize/joss-c3313.jpg">

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04-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisGreat going Colt.....you're darn right he is a tough card in this set. So, now we need Charlie Hall to have all 5 Horiz. cards on display. It's funny, Charlie Hall in HS was one of my best friends. Then another Charlie Hall was one of my best friends when I was in the Air Force. OK guys, neither of these guys are the same Charlie Hall that is portrayed in this set. I am not that old, although some think I date back to the prehistoric age.

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04-01-2006, 08:21 PM

Posted By: Anonymous<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143865262.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143865288.JPG">

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04-01-2006, 08:37 PM

Posted By: BenAfter seeing the scan, I would add Willis to the list of more difficult e90-1's. I just haven't seen too many show up in the years I've paid attention to the set (5 or so). Anyone else agree?

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04-02-2006, 06:06 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBEN.....I fully agree with you.....the St Louis (NL) team designation proves this observation. Willis was certainly one of the tough ones when I was putting my set together. He was traded from Pitts. to St Louis in Jan 1910. So, if my theory is correct that American Caramel produced their 1st Series of cards (the basic 100) in 1908; then, Willis was one of the cards added on, in the last Series. And, therefore, short-printed.

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04-02-2006, 11:55 AM

Posted By: Anonymous>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 posts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Maybe a conincidence, but since this thread started, e90-1 listings on ebay have gone from maybe 10-15 cards at any given time, to over 60 right now .... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> A player known for bunting abilities ..... <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90thomasR.jpg">

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04-02-2006, 09:48 PM

Posted By: Troy KirkOK, here is the one thing I always disliked about this set - bright red lipstick on a lot of the players. Poor Hughie Jennings is probably the worst, but even the expensive Shoeless Joe Jackson card didn't escape this indignity. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143953120.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143953157.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143953182.JPG">

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04-02-2006, 09:59 PM

Posted By: Brian LindholmeIs anyone ( Ted, maybe) keeping track of who has been shown and who is still needed? Here's another...keep 'em coming! We have a long way to beat Bonds! Brian L familytoad <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1143953931.JPG">

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04-03-2006, 06:12 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBrian L Your Stanage card brings us to one over the 1/2 way mark of 60 cards. So, let's continue to show them. Has any 100+ card (vintage) set ever been completely displayed in a Thread on this Forum ?

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04-03-2006, 12:31 PM

Posted By: Lyleif 1908 was indeed the year the E90-1 set was first offered ( and I would be very interested in your rationale ) , would that make the Ty Cobb his rookie card ?

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04-03-2006, 08:54 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisLyle Jobe 1st....where were you....didn't see you at Philly in March ? You raise a really great question....but far be it from "little ole me" to declare that the E90-1 Ty Cobb is his real "rookie" card. I recently had to dodge a lot of flak when I brought up the subject his 1907 Dietsche P/C. However, I will present some actual facts on this set and I leave it up to you guys to decide. One fact I am quite confident of is.....that my study suggests that the American Caramel Co. of Philadelphia started designing and producing its 1st Series of cards in 1908. 1....The Cy Young card (portrait) in the 1st Series depicts him with Boston. He was traded to Cleveland in FEB 1909....and, indeed, a later Series card of CY depicts him with Cleveland (pitching pose). Now, compare this with the 3 cards of CY in the T206 set where all 3 have him with Cleveland. Does this tells us that the 1st Series cards of the E90-1 set preceded the T206 issue ? Did this series of E90-1 cards get into the market sometime in 1908, or perhaps very early in 1909 ? 2....And, was the Ty Cobb card in this 1st Series of E90-1 cards ? Well, con- sider this, most of his career he played CF. The E90-1 card designates his fielding position as RF. He played in RF from 1907-09 and was switched to CF when the Left-Handed throwing Sam Crawford took over the RF spot for Detroit. 3....Why does Shoeless Joe Jackson appear in this set ? He was only in 5 games in 1908 and 1909 (his rookie years). Could it be because he started with the Phila A's and these cards were produced in Philly ? He never made it into the T206 set, which has always been a mystery to me. 4....Of course the big mystery is why wasn't Walter Johnson in the E90-1 set ? His rookie year is 1907, and by then it is possible the printing plate impressions of first Series cards were already at the printing plant ? But, in 1910 he had won 25 games and was an established star, so why didn't Am. Caramel include him in their latter series of cards (which reflect Trades and Managerial changes in 1910). OK....enough for now; however, there are even more arguments in favor of a possible 1908 issue (instead of 1909 as is noted in the Price Guides).

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04-04-2006, 11:22 AM

Posted By: LyleI was planning on going to the March Fort Washington but elected to spend quality time with my wife and sons ( probably a good choice). Additional info indicating an earlier release date for the E90-1 set according to the Lew Lipset Encyclopedia would be both John Butler and Johnny Siegle being out of the Majors by 1907 yet having E90-1 cards .I love a card set with some controversy...I think it adds some mystery . I hope my comments didn't distract from the parade of beautiful cards displayed here . Here is my lone contribution : <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1144084859.JPG">

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04-04-2006, 01:14 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisLYLE....your Joe Jax is one of the nicer ones that I have seen. You and me, both, when it comes to mysterious BB card sets. My favorite pastime, all these years collecting sportscards, is trying to resolve these mysteries. And, thanks for the info; I guess if my thinking is similar to Lew Lipset's thoughts on this set.....I am really in good company. In an earlier post on this Thread, I did question why Siegle is in this set. On the other hand, players like Siegle and Butler being in this set further the discussion that this set was possibly issued in 1908.

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04-07-2006, 12:37 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI think we are at a point where we realize there are several levels of scarcity within the group of "tough" cards. This implies more than just two Series of E90-1 cards, which I have been eluding to. The consensus of opinion in this Thread definitely places this Hugh Duffy card in the highest level of scarcity. This is consistent with our research, as his card was a very late entry into this set......his card reflects him as Manager of Chicago (AL) which began at the start of the 1910 season, I am now suggesting that the E90-1 set breaks down to 3 series of 120 cards. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/duffye90.jpg">

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06-10-2008, 07:02 PM

Posted By: scott fandangoits been 2 years since this thread was active....have any of the questions been answered? was the E90-1 first series printed in 1908? what happened to all the nice scans of these cards?

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06-10-2008, 08:13 PM

Posted By: Steve DawsonOK, here are all my E90-1s <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> ... <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers1.jpg"> <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers2.jpg"> <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers3.jpg"> <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers4.jpg"> <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers5.jpg"> <img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/steved80/E90-1HOFers6.jpg"> Steve

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06-10-2008, 08:44 PM

Posted By: Tony AndreaNice cards Steve. Always enjoy looking at some nice E90-1's. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Tony

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06-10-2008, 10:20 PM

Posted By: Jerry RuckerThanks Scott, for ressurecting(SP.) this old Post. I just started collecting this set. I always admired this set but was stuck on hof collecting for many years. Anyway, here's the ones I've got in the last couple months <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/baker.jpg" width="177" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/oakes4.jpg" width="193" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/mcintire.JPG" width="175" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/brown.jpg" width="320" height="187"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/howell.jpg" width="206" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/lumley.jpg" width="185" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/unglaub.jpg" width="201" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/stanage.jpg" width="209" height="320"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/bradley.jpg" width="189" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/blankenship.jpg" width="196" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/donovan.jpg" width="186" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/demmitt250.jpg" width="189" height="320"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/small/E90-1Gibson.JPG" width="187" height="320">

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06-11-2008, 06:01 AM

Posted By: Rob D.In case you missed it, here's an interesting related thread from December: <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1197857767/Why+did+this+auction+go+so+high" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1197857767/Why+did+this+auction+go+so+high</a>-

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06-11-2008, 06:45 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThere is a subsequent Thread on this Forum that pretty well proves that the 1st Series of both the American Caramel sets.... E91 and E90-1....were issued in 1908. And, the last Series of these two sets were issued in 1910. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/honuswagnere91.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/batwagner.jpg"> TED Z

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06-11-2008, 07:13 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisCobb is a 1st series card and not that tough....but, very expensive. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/e90cobb.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/be90eddieplank.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/achasee90.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/edplanke90.jpg"> Tough one...... <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/e90wagner.jpg"> Three of the 20 toughest ones issued in the last Series in 1910...... <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/duffyupp.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/atrispeak.jpg"> TED Z collection

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06-11-2008, 07:49 AM

Posted By: Tony AndreaI hope you guys don't mind me sharing some pics of mine. It serves no purpose for em' to stay locked away and never shared. They should be enjoyed. <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/rare3.jpg"> <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/sgc40e90-1speaker2.jpg"> <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/rare2.jpg"> <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/rare1.jpg"> <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/redbacks1.jpg"> edited to shrink scans...

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06-11-2008, 05:50 PM

Posted By: Jason CarotaThe E90-1 set is my favorite of all time. At one point I had Karger and Hall, now just a "well-loved" Hall: <img src="http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/jay1065/Red%20Sox%20-%20Vintage/1900-1929/1909-11_e90_1_hall.jpg">

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06-11-2008, 09:12 PM

Posted By: AnonymousThanks for sharing those great picks guys! i love sets that dont have "mint examples" shows how tough these really are!

goodtricks

05-27-2013, 10:15 AM

Memorial Day bump

05-27-2013, 11:24 AM

Pre-Memorial Day pickup

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfolderscf/cw/cwcollection/E90-1%20Addie%20Joss%20SGC%2060.jpg

Cardboard Junkie

05-27-2013, 02:39 PM

Pre-Memorial Day pickup

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfolderscf/cw/cwcollection/E90-1%20Addie%20Joss%20SGC%2060.jpg

That Joss is a beaut! Dave

tedzan

05-29-2013, 09:29 AM

WOW ! ...... 7 years since I initiated this E90 thread....I guess time really travels fast when you're having fun :)

I have few regrets in this hobby; but, selling my complete E90-1 set back in the late 1990's at the Ft Washington show is one. The Joe Jax in this set was either
Ex (or VgEx)......I say Ex, but most likely a TPG would grade it a "4".

Anyhow, here are some of my favorites from my current 2nd set (of which I have no expectations of completing).

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/batwagner.jpg..http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/e90wagner.jpghttp://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/atrispeak.jpg

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/e90cobb.jpghttp://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/amcgrawtinkerupp.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/e90duffy.jpghttp://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/achasee90.jpg..http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abkeeler.jpg

TED Z

05-29-2013, 09:47 AM

Thanks, Dave, and nice as always, Ted!

tedzan

05-30-2013, 07:26 AM

Thanks Chuck

Are you putting together this set......and, if so, how far into it are you ?

I ask, since there doesn't appear to be the intense interest in the E90-1
set currently as there existed 7 years ago when this thread was posted.

Best regards,

TED Z

LKeeler

10-08-2014, 02:54 PM

Wanted to do an annual bump on a great, informative thread that began in 2006 in discussing the E90-1 set. I started the set a few months ago, and I am at about half way to completing the "Caramel Monster". Here are some of my recent purchases (perhaps shown elsewhere). I was hoping that some of the "caramel old timers" could chirp in on any recent revelations on the toughness of certain players such as Mitchell, Graham, Walsh, Wagner Throwing, Speaker, Duffy, etc. Thanks!

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10-09-2014, 09:25 AM

I am not collecting the e90-1 set, but did need the Lobert for my back run. I was lucky enough to be able to trade for it with another member.

http://whitewhalecards.com/files/card_images/user_cards/d0a49659e16dcdb2/large/5424d190c9a80_front.jpghttp://whitewhalecards.com/files/card_images/user_cards/d0a49659e16dcdb2/large/5424d190c9a80_rear.jpg

LKeeler

10-09-2014, 11:20 AM

bobbvc

10-09-2014, 11:26 AM

The Gibson back view is pretty tough these days.

tedzan

10-09-2014, 03:02 PM

The T216 cards (MINO, KOTTON, VIRGINIA EXTRA) were obviously not printed by American Lithographic, as most other Tobacco cards of that era.
Most of the T216 front images are identical to the E90 (or other Candy cards) images.

Circa 1914-1916, the Peoples Tobacco Co. Ltd. contracted the same printing firm that produced the E90-1 cards to produce the T216 cards.

................. E90-1 ........................................... T216
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/achasee90.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/akottonchase.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/bkottonchase.jpg

My question is.....does anyone on this forum know who the Printing firm was that produced the E90-1 and the T216 cards ?

TED Z
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LOOKING for these T206 guys to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 run of OLD MILL cards (12 subjects)

..... Duffy ..... Gandil ..... Geyer ..... Hummel ..... Pfeffer ..... Sheckard ..... Tannehill ..... Wheat
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