Latest Pickups

[Exhibitman]

A little Al Kaufman to go with my big Al Kaufman. Is it common for T225's to not have factory numbers?

T225 has about ten back variations (brand, address, factory #s). You have one of them.

[Bill77]

Just added a Jeffries stat back.

[Bill77]

T225 has about ten back variations (brand, address, factory #s). You have one of them.

Cool thanks for the info.

[Exhibitman]

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1950s%20Mirior-Sprint%20Robinson.jpg

A quartet of 1950s Mirior-Sprint PC sized photographic cards from France. The name is handwritten on the two.

[CobbSpikedMe]

A couple more came in recently. I really like these boxing version of the Big Heads. The colors are great.



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[Tao_Moko]

Picked this up on a best offer for $78. Not the deal of the century, but a relatively tough card.

[Exhibitman]

Hey, a 1910 E-Unc Johnson is a nice pick regardless of grade. my SGC 50 went for over $300 before the plague-boom so a quarter of that sounds good to me.

This was catnip to me:

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I've not seen a Louis piece like this before and it fits my collection perfectly.

[Tao_Moko]

Adam - That Louis piece is a real piece of art

Just to keep this thread lively, I'll post a 6'7" giant recently picked up. 1934 Galaher.

[Exhibitman]

I got it today and was surprised, pleasantly, to find out that it is a bit smaller than a tall boy card and will fit into a 4 pocket sheet nicely.

[maniac_73]

Just picked up the complete 1993 WCW magazine with Cactus Jack and Steve Austin rookie card page attached off eBay
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[enuffsenuff]

Here’s n acquisition from this week an Anglo Gum wax Wrapper of The Brown Bomber

[Exhibitman]

Nice one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I just couldn't (IMO) massively overpay for his RC, so instead I massively overpaid for this.

[Exhibitman]

Eric, now you need the no-name variation on the Carnera card.

[RCMcKenzie]

halfway there... 25/50 I like the new SGC holders. The large numbers are easier for me to see.

[G1911]

So which one of you gentlemen ran up the price on me? Johnson makes 45/50 Miner's Extra backs for my T219 "mini-master-what-is-a-Red-Cross?-150-card-set", with 5 of the commons remaining to finish (Delmont, Kaufman, Klaus, Neil, Jack Sullivan). Cracked it out of the holder first thing, pleasantly surprised to find it isn't trimmed and is even oversized a little. Not sure why it would be sent to GMA now that I have it in hand

[G1911]

More silver borders from the last few weeks, my favorite boxing issue. Still looking for a James J. Corbett, have to come across one eventually

[G1911]

Part the second. Jackson was an upgrade for my set, he's not tougher but people seem to chase his card more than any of the other 23 commons and he is resold less often it seems.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bought a second copy of one of my favorite cards, the rookie card of the vastly underappreciated Alexander Karelin.

[Exhibitman]

Some early 1950 French photo cards of Sugar Ray Robinson:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1950s%20Mirior-Sprint%20Robinson.jpg

Here's wishing all of the fine folks in our little boxing/wrestling forum a happy, healthy and prosperous new year! Keep your hands up and your ass off the canvas!

[Tao_Moko]

Happy to add this as my type card for the set.

[Marslife]

Snagged another T back :-)

slowly pounding away at the list ....

437590

[Exhibitman]

So here's how you know you spend too much time on this stuff. eBay seller listed this snapshot as a pair of boxers ca. 1910.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingphotographsandephemera/large/1919%20Dempsey%20Tate%20snapshot.jpg

I knew immediately:

--The shot is from a professional photographer: he was standing on the ring apron

--The shirtless boxer is Jack Dempsey

--The big guy in the wife-beater is 6'6" tall Big Bill Tate, Dempsey's sparring partner.

--The location is Toledo, Ohio.

--The date is June or July 1919.

--The event was Dempsey training to fight Jess Willard.

The snapshot has a matte finish and nice silvering.

[G1911]

My recents, with more "the back is better" cards. Tippett (I believe this came from a regular poster here but via eBay) makes 24/50 T218 Tolstoi's. The Jackson I already have but this is a nice upgrade and I was surprised my low bid won it. Trudenbach is the tougher spelling error with an M30 back, $4.99 shipped is a good buy I think.

2 more silvers because I can't get enough, and a modern Fury for a change of pace. Not much to collect from in contemporary boxing, but this was a great fight and I believe Fury only has Topps Now cards among anything recognizable (presumably has some obscure stuff I'm not aware of).

The bottom 3 are for my T218 master run, now 95% complete for the Mecca/Hassan backs with all caption/factory/spelling variants accounted for. Getting close to the end, which of course means I can't find the 30 front/back combos I need.

[wrestlingcardking]

do you have the Karelin in PSA 10?

Bought a second copy of one of my favorite cards, the rookie card of the vastly underappreciated Alexander Karelin.

[jb217676]

Started collecting this set in 1985 but I FINALLY got around to finishing off my 1985 O-Pee-Chee WWF Series II Set! Replaced some of the beaters and purchased the 9 cards I was missing... it is now proudly displayed with my Macho Man figures!
Jeff

[edtiques]

I picked this up the other day.

[Bugsy]

I collect the Gibbons brothers, so I was really excited to find these. Also Ring mags may not seem like much, but the early ones can be really tough.

[Exhibitman]

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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/daAAAOSwEBdgJZSE/s-l1600.jpg

These Astra brand versions of Sanella cards are tough to find; wanted one for my type card collection for a while. I had one purchased a few years ago but it got 'lost' in the customs house in NY. This one was radio silent for a week in there but eventually showed up at my local post office and landed safely with me last week.

I hear that when you die you find all of the cards that have gotten lost in the mail, with all of the socks that went missing from the dryer.

[G1911]

One of my favorite cheap sets, my 19th card in this tough issue that still seems to have almost 0 interest outside of the Ty Cobb card, whose pricing baffles me. Erne here and Jack O'Brien are about as good as the checklist gets, an odd selection of fighters after the overall excellent selection in the 1st series. Was only $10

[guy3050]

Pickedup This Mayweather for my son who is a big Mayweather fan

[Exhibitman]

You're a good dad.

[Exhibitman]

Back from CSG today:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/saleholding/websize/CSG%20Panini%20Tyson%201.png

[scooter729]

Not a new one by any means, but realized I had never scanned it and therefore never could've shared it, so here it is.....

Very nice 3 - I expected a 4-5 from this since there are no creases or back issues at all, but I guess they really didn't like the wear on the corners?? At the current prices, I most assuredly won't be playing any re-sub games - not selling anyway so it doesn't matter!

[Bill77]

Came across this while looking for other things and said hey why not.

[D. Bergin]

Not a new one by any means, but realized I had never scanned it and therefore never could've shared it, so here it is.....

Very nice 3 - I expected a 4-5 from this since there are no creases or back issues at all, but I guess they really didn't like the wear on the corners?? At the current prices, I most assuredly won't be playing any re-sub games - not selling anyway so it doesn't matter!


TPG's have always been very tough on these. Almost rendering the grades meaningless.

A tiny pinhole is a 1 on these.........and folded 6 times is a 1 on these.

It's all about eye appeal on the T9's. Beautiful card!

[LuckyLarry]

I had to fight it out to win this low grade Don Eagle card which completes my 1950/60 wrestling exhibit set (not counting the checklist)
Larry
https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=30652https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=30653

[Jerry G]

Nice, Larry! That's the last one on my list, too.

[guy3050]

Picked up this Floyd signed auxilary pass from his fight with Gatti, Arturo grew up in the same neigbourhood as me, His brother Joe and I were friends in the the late 70's to mid 80's before he moved to New Jersey to pursue his boxing career , I remeber going with him and Arturo around 1980 to the Olympic boxing club on Park avenue in Montreal where they both trained, Arturo was about 8 or 9 years old , he was quite a sight on the speed bag, included is a photo Arturo personalised to me the day before his fight against Joe Hutchinson, his only pro fight fought in his home town of Montreal

[D. Bergin]

Picked up this Floyd signed auxilary pass from his fight with Gatti, Arturo grew up in the same neigbourhood as me, His brother Joe and I were friends in the the late 70's to mid 80's before he moved to New Jersey to pursue his boxing career , I remeber going with him and Arturo around 1980 to the Olympic boxing club on Park avenue in Montreal where they both trained, Arturo was about 8 or 9 years old , he was quite a sight on the speed bag, included is a photo Arturo personalised to me the day before his fight against Joe Hutchinson, his only pro fight fought in his home town of Montreal


I remember watching that fight against Hutchinson on Friday Night Fights. It was a great scrap. Lil Joe did more then hold his own against Gatti.

Funny that Gatti was on the same card with two of the Hilton brothers that night. I'm pretty sure those two families really hated each other. In an almost Hatfield/McCoys or Capulets/Montagues type of way.

I was lucky enough to be at the first two Gatti/Ward fights.

[Exhibitman]

From REA last night:

https://createauctioncdn.azureedge.net/rea/images_items/item_82076_1_180943.jpg

[Mark Webster]

Cracking cards Adam. I hope all is well pal.

[G1911]

Normally I like my boxers looking like boxers and doing boxing things, but this week's mail theme was Fat Sullivan in Suit.

The two cabinets I know are both relatively common by cabinet standards. The shared caption type makes me presume they are by the same maker. The white probably earlier than the grey border, as it has a blank back and is less well-done. The grey border has a summation of his ring record on back, going from the Goss fight to the Kilrain fight. So that one is probably from between late 1889 and mid-1892.

Sullivan is my only boxing T224/T229, as I keep trading the ones I have had for other stuff. Great set I like to keep track of, but a little too difficult to chase down a master (and difficult to checklist the details with the stamps). He will be cracked out shortly, might go for a base set here as I am running out of boxing cards to pick up from this period that can be found with any consistency

[butcher354435]

The PET/Kopec issue is one of my favorites! Congrats on a great JLS pick-up!

[G1911]

The PET/Kopec issue is one of my favorites! Congrats on a great JLS pick-up!

Thank you, going to need a bit of luck to add many more, haven't seen a new batch of these crop up in a long time.

[G1911]

Picked up some plastic for the registry and #investing, with some cardboard on the side after a little twisting and smashing.

[Exhibitman]

Heh, I love it.

[D. Bergin]

Picked up some plastic for the registry and #investing, with some cardboard on the side after a little twisting and smashing.

Nice batch of silvers. I love those.

They are like chase/parallel cards for the tobacco era.

For some reason I can't think of any other issue that did that, in any other sport during that time period. Truly, 100 years ahead of their time.

[Exhibitman]

It's a great issue. Some of the cards with the sky backgrounds are just luminous when in hand. Really beautiful artwork. That and T218 really got me involved in T boxing when I first handled a few of the better ones.

[G1911]

T220 silver is the most aesthetically pleasing boxing or T card set, with the exception of the T9's, in my biased book. The Turkey Red's are just so big with such nice lithography they kind of win by default. The T220 Silver's are so bright in hand, and with those gorgeous outdoor poses, that I like them even better than the T218's.

I'm hard pressed to think of another ATC/American Lithography issue that had a "parallel" type set. T68 Heroes of History had it's second series printed with a normal Pan handle back and one that is entirely Silver, the same effect as the T220's but on the back. Pretty weird choice, but that's as close as I can think of.

I think the T220 set was probably 2 separate releases instead of 1 simultaneous set with a parallel (Donovan and Coburn design changes), with the Silvers printed and issued before the white borders that added another sheet of cards with a mostly-different pose design ("solid color backdrop behind a boxing ring" vs. "outdoors in a forest/jungle/small town"). Desperate for a Corbett to finish this set and patch the empty gap. The White Border's are a great buy still, I think. A complete set is still pretty cheap, and hopefully stays that way long term

[Exhibitman]

This trade card advertises the theatrical run of the Baer-Carnera bout. It was sold as from Brazil but the back is in Spanish and some of it is Castillan spelling so it looks to me like it is actually from Spain

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1935%20Spanish%20Movie%20Trade%20Card%20Carnera%20 Baer%201.jpg

In case you didn't know, Baer knocked the snot out of Carnera: 11 knockdowns over 11 rounds before the KO.

[D. Bergin]

This trade card advertises the theatrical run of the Baer-Carnera bout. It was sold as from Brazil but the back is in Spanish and some of it is Castillan spelling so it looks to me like it is actually from Spain

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1935%20Spanish%20Movie%20Trade%20Card%20Carnera%20 Baer%201.jpg

In case you didn't know, Baer knocked the snot out of Carnera: 11 knockdowns over 11 rounds before the KO.


The advertisement for the movie "Flying Down To Rio", probably led to the Brazilian confusion.

Yes, certainly looks like Spain.

[Exhibitman]

The advertisement for the movie "Flying Down To Rio", probably led to the Brazilian confusion.

Yes, certainly looks like Spain.

That's my guess. Matx de Boxa is Castilian.

[G1911]

Nicest Donovan 'Yellow Smear' I've seen so I picked one up. Used to see this fairly often, but then haven't seen a new one for three years now, everything seems to pop up in cycles. American Lithography really struggled to produce the Donovan To-Day card. Pulled from Silver, card redesigned, redesign messed up with a major and blatant recurring defect for some time, and finally a correct and fully produced card. About to be liberated from his tomb

[Exhibitman]

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/Billiken%20Dempsey.jpeg

Billiken Cigarros Jack Dempsey premium. The only one of these I've ever seen. Probably paid too much for it, but WTF, I had a good week.

[GasHouseGang]

I love that image Adam.

[Exhibitman]

I think it is an Apeda.

[jb217676]

I figured this was in the 6-7 range when I sent it to SGC a few weeks ago, but it's one of the few cards I still have that survived my childhood! As a survivor it was deserving of some "Tuxedo Time"!

[G1911]

Was happy too see this one pop up on eBay, I'm not a huge fan of the 50 parallels of every card but I think the actual printing plates idea is pretty cool for the old-timers I like to collect. Very tough to find, obviously, for any specific card. I have 3 of the 4 printing plates for Sullivan's UD Goodwin card, only this one now for the Allen & Ginter JL.

[Exhibitman]

This oversized PC publicizes the 1906 Britt-Gans match.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpostcards/websize/1906%20Britt%20Gans%203.jpg

Also picked up this Aussie stadium card of HOFer Jeff Smith

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1914%20Aussie%20Stadium%20Card%20Smith_%20Jeff.jpg

Kudos to the designers for bold graphics.

[G1911]

The Smith postcard looks awesome. Love that big flag backdrop

[Frankish]

Very cool stuff. I've never seen one of those Billiken cards before....

[G1911]

Won this a couple days ago, with a bid I thought was a lowball. Not sure if I'll keep it because it's a cool set and card, or trade bait box it because I like complete sets and this one is not really going to happen. Won a few things lately at bids I thought had no chance, hopefully the market is softening a little and I haven't just gotten lucky

[D. Bergin]

Won this a couple days ago, with a bid I thought was a lowball. Not sure if I'll keep it because it's a cool set and card, or trade bait box it because I like complete sets and this one is not really going to happen. Won a few things lately at bids I thought had no chance, hopefully the market is softening a little and I haven't just gotten lucky


Had that on my Watchlist. Thought you got it for a great price.

I think the market is softening on a lot of stuff........or at the very least, it's very erratic, and fluctuations can vary wildly.

Also, with the new category changes and fracked up search engine, you're more likely to get bargains from smaller sellers, then you are from the giant consignment sellers who have already captured their market. Category changes and reliable search engines don't mean quite as much to them, as to the smaller seller who has a harder time being found on the platform.

[Exhibitman]

IMO the category change has done major damage to the less popular categories. The boxing category is a mess. All of the unopened "box" stuff gets dragged into it and even when you refine for sport "boxing" a ton of extraneous crap still shows up. My sales last week were abysmal after weeks of strong sales and the only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the items that sold before were discovered and tracked before the category shuffling. I fear it will take months for this to be sorted out. Until it is I think I will just confine myself to fixed price listings, some with best offers.

[D. Bergin]

IMO the category change has done major damage to the less popular categories. The boxing category is a mess. All of the unopened "box" stuff gets dragged into it and even when you refine for sport "boxing" a ton of extraneous crap still shows up. My sales last week were abysmal after weeks of strong sales and the only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the items that sold before were discovered and tracked before the category shuffling. I fear it will take months for this to be sorted out. Until it is I think I will just confine myself to fixed price listings, some with best offers.


When you list, you have to find a way to fit the word "boxing" in the title. I've always done that, but it's even more important now.

.......and, when you search, you have to search the word "Boxing", and put it in quotes......otherwise anything that's a spin-off of the word "box", will pop up.

Sad thing is............you won't pick up anything boxing related, where the seller originally put it in a formerly existing boxing category, but neglected to put the word "boxing" in the item title.

In other words............Ebay F*&k3ed it all up.

I hope what I just wrote, makes a lick of sense.

[G1911]

Had that on my Watchlist. Thought you got it for a great price.

I think the market is softening on a lot of stuff........or at the very least, it's very erratic, and fluctuations can vary wildly.

Also, with the new category changes and fracked up search engine, you're more likely to get bargains from smaller sellers, then you are from the giant consignment sellers who have already captured their market. Category changes and reliable search engines don't mean quite as much to them, as to the smaller seller who has a harder time being found on the platform.


I’m hoping the market is softening and isn’t my confirmation bias because I want that to happen. I’m kicking myself for forgetting to bid on the T219 Johnson that went cheap the day before.

I don’t want to dump on eBay because without them, I wouldn’t have half as many cards as I do, but boy was this change poorly thought out. It takes forever to search for what I want nowadays. I’ve found “boxing -box” works too to weed out some of the crap. It’s extra bad for us boxing dorks because at least half of the sellers have no clue what their cards even are to name them properly. Wish there was another platform, the BST here is great for baseball pickups but I’ve only done like 3 boxing deals here posting my want lists.

[Exhibitman]

Unlike what eBay did, it makes sense, Dave. I am going to have to go in and amend all my listings to add the magic word...

[G1911]

Not usually my kind of card, I don't like the concept of these single card releases very much, but I absolutely love the old Pro Set football cards because.... I have no idea. So this one was a cool addition to my growing box of "random boxing cards that don't fit in sets". Seller forgot to list this copy with a stock emoji and "RC, HOT" tag.

[G1911]

The prettiest boxing cards in my book. This has 2 pinholes but is an upgrade, my old Papke didn't have any of it's 4 borders. This as far along upgrading condition as I ever get.

If anyone want's a piece of crap trimmed up Papke, PM me...

[G1911]

Not a tough one but has proven oddly elusive for me. I got his red back pretty easily but have needed this one for awhile, go figure.

[jb217676]

Updated my 1985 OPC WWF Series II Set photo with the graded Macho Man. Added a little Photoshop to the photo as well!

[Exhibitman]

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/1932%20Dempsey%20Broad%20card.jpg

WTF??? Why is Dempsey punching a blind guy??? handwritten date on the back 1932.

Before entering films, William Thomas "Kid" Broad had been a professional boxer in the featherweight and lightweight classes, and had over 100 bouts in his career. Only twice did he suffer a knockout. Born in England in 1878, he began fighting in Cleveland in the late 1890s, and his career took off. His greatest ring triumph occurred in 1901, when he knocked out Young Corbett just two months before Corbett went on to win the featherweight title. Supposedly, at one of his bouts, the Kid was discovered by Douglas Fairbanks and approached about being in movies. He spent about a decade in the ring, and began appearing as an extra in films, and assisting with fight scenes. In 1916, he, along with several ex-boxers, appeared in the Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle short Bright Lights (1916). In one scene, he and his friends were supposed to be beaten up by a group of sailors. Instead, the boxers kept beating up the sailors, take after take. Arbuckle finally decided that the fight looked better that way. Douglas Fairbanks once called the Kid, asking him to play a tough guy part. The Kid thought someone larger would be better in the role, so he recommended wrestler Bull Montana, giving the grappler his start in pictures. In another version of the story, Fairbanks thought the Kid wasn't ugly enough for the part, and asked him to find someone uglier. It is not known exactly how many movies Kid Broad made, but by the time he appeared in Wanted: A Husband (1919) in 1919, some newspapers reported that he already had 89 films to his credit. Although virtually nothing is known about his wife, The Moving Picture World reported in 1920 that both the Kid and Mrs. "Kid" Broad were appearing in Frontier of the Stars (1921), and this was her film debut. In the early 1930s, the Kid worked as a banker's bodyguard on Wall Street. Kid Broad spent his last years in New York City, living on the west side. He would carry a picture of himself as a young boxer wearing green tights. He kept another picture in his hotel room; that of a young woman in a dance costume. The Kid claimed she was his wife, who had died decades earlier. His neighbors felt sorry for him and would give him some money for rent and food. Kid Broad's brother John offered him a home in Cleveland, but the Kid replied that he would rather die around a New York lamppost than in an Ohio cow pasture. In June of 1947, the Kid got his wish. A patrolman found a dead body in a doorway on the lower west side of the city. The victim's beard and unkempt hair initially made his identification difficult, but the cauliflower ears stood out. Several of his old-time friends identified the dead man as the Kid. Death had been caused by hardening of the arteries. When the funeral was held, only six people showed up. The Kid was not even shaved for his services, because his brother John felt that the boxer should go out as he had lived the last few years.

[GasHouseGang]

Just picked this up recently.

[Exhibitman]

Nice. Now you need a Cicogna to complement it.

[GasHouseGang]

Adam, the 1952 Cicogna Marciano appears to be hand-cut and pretty small. I'm not familiar with this issue, is it cut from a magazine?

[sthoemke]

Adam, the 1952 Cicogna Marciano appears to be hand-cut and pretty small. I'm not familiar with this issue, is it cut from a magazine?

Adam might know more than I do, but I believe it is 1955 Nannina (Italy), not hand-cut. I think one of the grading companies has it wrong.

Here is a graded one for sale for reference:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174819866059?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOME SPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D233149%26meid%3Dcde008 b51d514c699988ecd93eb1a351%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D6 %26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D174536239675%26itm%3D1748198660 59%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSim plAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWeb%26brand%3DPanini&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A174819866059cde008b51d514c699988ecd 93eb1a351%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAACAI3vVzw2%252FuGWGMnQTPWC nWUjY31B2%252BfRdcj8eks30bkdGRqQDelfosRQWPgllt7YQQ hV251vQ9muXuAf9%252BhJwEbe47r%252FysgNb2tmUhO1BHG3 C%252FE5U2U9VoDEwgma%252FiNT%252FRaI%252BlphZINYZx fa4qvpXBAarg5G6%252BMOtFScommwM3V4925n9Dm1izCFz0L% 252FuSzuG4Jf8E4ViA1jbTYySsYR1lIzrFqc6uXnfyDKZcHSXq Q%252FC%252FWP6RX%252FWp11Ku%252FMWe4oL5ZS74%252BU DZkbPPb3whlqVfI15pVaDlTFmKCXcnKO3PeCKonkahosnVH4CZ vPZiiyk4r9l0T%252FUT2FLTVE0VaTRlSQUmVUfU6G%252BPmO TYRsOJj6VY476OfpSsRCTxs3f%252B8UkLUNdncvirXSdhPyyw 82bMKzL16P6C0TFhcbnOLkoGarCnaEIPcXYCx6WixknVXeYBy3 wlOTqPHh6ib4M%252BAtKD7yOhAVupyA%252BQ9Lhlw8TLJEf4 f%252FddBWlcxIdrnFNDP8EZM3F5QouK4c8YoLl2hhtq2hPVe7 hI9mEfb3zwrzsGMUzTGf5hDhZ6igAdCAi%252FjBEE7uA8C6ol KBpQkKU1cmTyOXyqWTzEeUI%252FyyCkTC0Ob85wE83nvH3%25 2FSVGTWo2zn03J19Xf%252BcnjtnvH%252FMcJG65rojPw3sV4 tr8vC3JkP%252BrWQV%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A204767 5

[GasHouseGang]

Well, someone must be wrong. Here's another graded example that says it's 1952. I guess we have dueling grading companies. :D

[sthoemke]

I'm near certain that the SGC slab is wrong.

It is the only example from the set they have graded. Most likely they misidentified, or trusted a submitter's info into giving it the label for the card.

Italian sellers state it is 1955 Naninna, as does Beckett.

https://www.gosgc.com/pop-report/result/1952%20Cicogna/Boxing

[LuckyLarry]

I picked up this card last weekend at the National completing my set!
Larry

https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=31640https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=31641

[Exhibitman]

Congrats, Larry

[profholt82]

Updated my 1985 OPC WWF Series II Set photo with the graded Macho Man. Added a little Photoshop to the photo as well!

That reminds me, I recently came across this amazing Macho Man Slim Jim holder at a local shop. Not that I really have anywhere to put something like this, but I asked the guy if he'd consider selling it, but he said no. It's a really cool piece.

https://i.postimg.cc/Tw97vn1Q/20210729-131623.jpg

[psychosem17]

I picked up a couple of hard to find Parkhurst sets this weekend.

The Gagne was really nice and Bronko and Nature Boy Rogers were 'nice enough'.


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[Exhibitman]

There's a number of those Slim Jim holders available on eBay.

New one for me:

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1964 PC from the Olympics with Joe Frazier.

[D. Bergin]

There's a number of those Slim Jim holders available on eBay.

New one for me:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/060AAOSwFKxhB~KM/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/E0oAAOSw4ghhB~KQ/s-l1600.jpg

1964 PC from the Olympics with Joe Frazier.


That's awesome!

[Exhibitman]

I know. He was so young. Hard to believe that within seven years he would be the baddest man on the planet...

[D. Bergin]

I know. He was so young. Hard to believe that within seven years he would be the baddest man on the planet...


Sent to Rocky Marciano's former trainer. :eek:

[Jcfowler6]

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Some recent boxing pick ups.


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[TheBig6]

My first foray into boxing cards
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[G1911]

What a wonderful choice for a first foray, a Turkey red of one of the greats is as nice as it gets.

[TheBig6]

What a wonderful choice for a first foray, a Turkey red of one of the greats is as nice as it gets.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to exploring the boxing card hobby.

[Exhibitman]

Welcome to the Dark Side young Jedi.

[G1911]

Thanks, I'm looking forward to exploring the boxing card hobby.

It's a heck of a lot cheaper over here in our little pond, enjoy it!

[Exhibitman]

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This RPPC looks like Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Mike Jacobs and some others gathered in Jacobs' office for some sort of signing. Since Jacobs looked pretty lively but dropped dead in 1953, I am guessing this is pre-1953.

[D. Bergin]

Dammit Adam, this one haunts my dreams. I feel like I've seen all those guys at some point or another.

[TheBig6]

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[G1911]

Seeing a Jeffries trend. If one values boxers based on their resume and career achievements, Jeffries is a huge steal in pre-war boxing. Nice picks

[TheBig6]

Seeing a Jeffries trend. If one val
ues boxers based on their resume and career achievements, Jeffries is a huge steal in pre-war boxing.
Nice picks

Thanks, I think so also.

[Exhibitman]

Totally agree. Jeffries is one of my personal favorites since his former ranch and boxing venue is a long stone's throw from my office. I have a variety of JJJ memorabilia including a flag and a ribbon from a wreath from his funeral. Probably gotta do a shadow box of stuff some day.

[D. Bergin]

If Jack Johnson is Babe Ruth, James Jeffries gotta at least be Jimmy Foxx. :D

[G1911]

Unpopular opinion, but Jeffries resume is far superior to Johnson’s.

Johnson beat Jeanette, Langford (who wasn’t really a heavyweight even then), a washed up Fitzsimmons in 1907, Burns, and he defended his title against only middling competition and champions at lower weight classes (O’Brien, Ketchell), and a washed up retired Jeffries after he quit and become a 300 pound fatso. His actual record is not very strong. Compare it to Jeffries resume. He lost to Jeanette (who he beat far more often), Choynski and Hart before he was washed up.

Johnson has the socially popular narrative and biography suited to its audience today. Jeffries has the ring record.

[Frankish]

Not sure if this counts, but I recently picked up this partial set from Japan. I've always liked Rikidozan so thought it would be fun to hunt down the missing cards. Wish me luck. :P

[Frankish]

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This RPPC looks like Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Mike Jacobs and some others gathered in Jacobs' office for some sort of signing. Since Jacobs looked pretty lively but dropped dead in 1953, I am guessing this is pre-1953.

Demi Moore?

[sthoemke]

Not sure if this counts, but I recently picked up this partial set from Japan. I've always liked Rikidozan so thought it would be fun to hunt down the missing cards. Wish me luck. :P

I believe the cards were released as a box set, as a child's game, I think.

Singles for sale may be a very rare occurrence due to the nature of the set.

I was the second highest bidder of the auction. I would have bidded more if the Thesz cards were complete.

[TheBig6]

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[Frankish]

I believe the cards were released as a box set, as a child's game, I think.

Singles for sale may be a very rare occurrence due to the nature of the set.

I was the second highest bidder of the auction. I would have bidded more if the Thesz cards were complete.

Yes, I think you're right. The (partial) set looks pretty nice person.

[Exhibitman]

Nice stuff, guys. That 51 Sullivan looks sharp.

[Deertick]

Not exactly a "pickup", more of a "found tucked away", lol.
Has weird defect on it, looked like a calcium deposit that might brush off. But under magnification it looks like paper is bubbled? As you can see it goes through to both sides. Never saw anything like it before.

[Exhibitman]

Looks like some kind of chemical deposit. That signature looks good enough to make it worthwhile to have a conservator look at it and see what can be done.

Meanwhile my big get for the...year:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/autographedexhibitcards/websize/Ali%20signed%20exhibit%20card.jpg

Overpaid for it but when you see the right card for your collection, sometimes you have to say WTF, make your move. After all, I am Exhibitman...

[GasHouseGang]

Picked up a couple of N162s.

[TheBig6]

Nice cards guys
Recent pickups
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[Exhibitman]

1959 Stella:

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These two HOFers are the only ones I've seen in the set and fought a trio of classic 140# title fights, which is probably why Ortiz is in the set (the other fighters I've seen are all Italian).

[G1911]

Been awhile since I posted a pickup. Was happy to get this Nelson, I have no expectation of completing an 80 card master, but hoping to build 'as many as I can reasonably get'. The images in T224/T229 are fantastic quality for their small size. This one cost a bit more than I would want it too because it's 4 VG/EX range, but it's hard to being picky on condition with the tougher sets. 3 down, 77 to go.

[soxinseven]

Recently picked this up.

[D. Bergin]

Recently picked this up.


Always loved that card. Have never had it myself.

Nice pick-up :)

[soxinseven]

Always loved that card. Have never had it myself.

Nice pick-up :)

Thanks Dave. I’ve missed out a few times over the years but finally landed one.

[Tao_Moko]

Couldn't resist this one.

[Tao_Moko]

Love the back of this 20's french card.

[Tao_Moko]

Last one for the night. 1895 Newsboy.

[Exhibitman]

That Ogdens Jackson is fantastic. I was happy to get one with a small chunk out of the side.

I haven't seen one of those Siki cards offered for sale for years. Really nice. Mine has a different back:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1920s%20Legris%20Siki.jpg

I guess they were trade cards that could be imprinted by advertisers.

[soxinseven]

Thanks Adam, I remember you sharing the image of yours with me a few years ago. It's better than I expected, light chipping but no creases.

[D. Bergin]

Interesting that the Siki has different backs. I think I've seen that card before cruising overseas Ebay sites, but never made note of the back.

[Tao_Moko]

That Ogdens Jackson is fantastic. I was happy to get one with a small chunk out of the side.

I haven't seen one of those Siki cards offered for sale for years. Really nice. Mine has a different back:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1920s%20Legris%20Siki.jpg

I guess they were trade cards that could be imprinted by advertisers.

Agree the Ogden's Jackson is unbelievable!

The Siki sat in my cart for a few months(I think listed obscurely) while I attempted to research it and never found anything. It was the purple that sealed the deal for me.

Lastly - Adam, you're about to hit 10,000 posts!!!!

[Exhibitman]

You're lucky I didn't spot it or I'd probably have snagged it just for the back variation.

[Tao_Moko]

Haven't seen many of these.

[chadeast]

Hi everyone. My first post in the Boxing forum, and my first ever boxing cards. Putting together a T3 baseball set brought me here. I'm thrilled to own these beautiful cards, tinged with a bit of "oh no, what have I started?!?" :)

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[Exhibitman]

Welcome to the Dark Side, young Jedi...

You have the most expensive one already so the rest of the set should be easy sledding. Those are especially nice looking examples.

[G1911]

You got the 4 most expensive ones, so you’re good to finish easily now. Always love to see these, beautiful cards. I just picked up a Langford myself, the no text back. Yours looks a lot nicer!

[G1911]

Happy to add these:

[Exhibitman]

ooohhh, Kopecs...nice. Don't recall the last time I saw a decent group of those offered up.

[G1911]

ooohhh, Kopecs...nice. Don't recall the last time I saw a decent group of those offered up.

I don’t know how much tougher the Kopecs are than the Pets. After ~6 months I’m up to a whopping 4 cards of each back. This will be a very long run I don’t complete, but like we’ve talked about before the great detail in the images makes them worth it. Beautiful set, I wish they were common.

[wicker56]

Fitzsimmons was a great boxer, but most of his cards are not very appealing. I guess when you do the math He would have been in his mid to late 40’s when the card was released.

[Exhibitman]

Fitzsimmons was a great boxer, but most of his cards are not very appealing. I guess when you do the math He would have been in his mid to late 40’s when the card was released.

His Newsboy/Campbell/Boston Herald image is decent

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/N566%20Newsaboy%20Fitzsimmons%20back.jpg

[G1911]

Fitzsimmons was a great boxer, but most of his cards are not very appealing. I guess when you do the math He would have been in his mid to late 40’s when the card was released.

I must concur. His T220 gives an image of his back even... T229 is a beautiful set, this isn't a beautiful card. Neither is Corbett really, Papke is a nice one.

[chadeast]

Welcome to the Dark Side, young Jedi...

You have the most expensive one already so the rest of the set should be easy sledding. Those are especially nice looking examples.

Thanks! When I said "What have I started?" I was referring to boxing cards in general, not the T9s. Because... well, I took a BIG step towards the Dark Side. Boxing cards #1 to 26 came all at once for me. I only posted the big four earlier, but I've just finished scanning them all, here's the rest. :o

Here is a link to my new T9 album in Flickr if you want to see the high rez scans. My T9 set (https://flic.kr/s/aHsmWZXAW7)

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[chadeast]

And the rest...

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[G1911]

“IF” we want to see the high resolution scans. They are T9’s, of course we do!

[chadeast]

I just want to say that this thread is awesome! Thanks to everyone for sharing your amazing cards. T218, T220, T226, the E cards, etc., they're all beautiful! The best part about stepping into this world for me has been learning about the turn-of-the-century boxers in the T9 set. I knew I was in trouble when I bid on and won a T218 Jeffries about a week after I got my T9s. :D I'm going to be taking a close look at the Jeffries barn the next time I'm at Knotts Berry Farm.

[Exhibitman]

I just want to say that this thread is awesome! Thanks to everyone for sharing your amazing cards. T218, T220, T226, the E cards, etc., they're all beautiful! The best part about stepping into this world for me has been learning about the turn-of-the-century boxers in the T9 set. I knew I was in trouble when I bid on and won a T218 Jeffries about a week after I got my T9s. :D I'm going to be taking a close look at the Jeffries barn the next time I'm at Knotts Berry Farm.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingphotographsandephemera/large/Photo%20Jeffries%20Barn.jpg

[chadeast]

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingphotographsandephemera/large/Photo%20Jeffries%20Barn.jpg

Adam, thanks for posting this. Do I remember correctly that you've taken an interest in Jeffries due to his connections with Burbank? I think that I read that in one of your posts.

[Exhibitman]

Yep. I can practically walk to his old ranch from my office. Some other Jeffries-Burbank related items I have:

7.5" x 9.5" [10" x 12" mount] mounted photo of Jim Jeffries on his farm in Burbank with his pup, with a handwritten copyright of 1906 By Jas. J. Jeffries and Jas. M. Johnson [perhaps the photographer], captioned "The Good Friends" in pencil on the mount. Purportedly from his estate.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingphotographsandephemera/large/1906%20Jeffries%20on%20Farm.JPG

An invite to Jim Jeffries' 75th birthday party, sent to the Stewerts, who were close friends. Mr. S was the manager of the boxing arena in Ontario, CA.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/1950%20Jeffries%20Birthday%20invitation.JPG

Inside of the cover from a 1941 edition of The Knockout showing Jeff on the farm:

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A GPC invitation and the only two known tickets from the dinner referenced in the text of the previous item:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/1941%20Los%20Angeles%20Boxing%20Dinner.jpg

[chadeast]

Yep. I can practically walk to his old ranch from my office. Some other Jeffries-Burbank related items I have:

Amazing pieces! Thanks so much for sharing them. It really makes you wonder who was at that dinner on Sept 6 1941.

[Pat R]

I mostly collect T206's but I do have a few cards from other 1900's sets I didn't have any T220's but Greg's thread inspired me to pick one up.

I like the Tolstoi backs and I found this Donovan.
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[Exhibitman]

Amazing pieces! Thanks so much for sharing them. It really makes you wonder who was at that dinner on Sept 6 1941.

At a CSAC dinner, my guess is certainly this guy:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingphotographsandephemera/large/Ritchie_%20Willie.jpg

[G1911]

Welcome to T220 Pat!

[G1911]

Some of my pickups this week.

More Silvers, because why not? A T225 I needed for my master set run, and 3 more T227's. Klaus is an upgrade, Coulon I had one of, and Wolgast gives me all 3 of his possible back types. The Gans and Donovan's are upgrades.

3 of the cards are something special. The Coburn may or may not be a proof. It's a blank back, missing his name, and has what seems to be a cutting line at the very top of the card. I've never seen another like it, happy to have it as a centerpiece in my T220 silver collection. The McAuliffe next to it might be a proof; it's missing the silver layer, probably handcut (the edges so worn down it's hard to be certain it originally was handcut) and also blank backed. The McAuliffe is just like the cards on the sheets I discovered a couple months ago. Both are unique items. T220-1 Silver is my favorite set of cards, so unique cards from it are about as cool as cool gets in my book. Very happy to add these to my set.

The Jack Johnson doesn't look special at first, but it's not much more common than the unique cards here. Until very recently, I had this as a probable no print with the Hassan, Series 2 notation, factory 30 back until another collector showed me his Johnson with this back. factory 30 backs are tougher than 649, but this back is not notably difficult with any of the other 50 subjects on which it is found. I strongly suspect, though cannot quite prove, that the green pose Jack Johnson was mostly printed on it's own sheet separate from the other cards after his late addition to the series 1 checklist and rule-breaking continuance into series 2. SGC 4.5's are usually out of my price range, but when very rare items are encountered one can't be picky about keep to the Fair's. I highly doubt the hobby will ever put much value on non-Tolstoi backed T218's, no matter how truly rare (this combination is tougher than Johnson Blue with a Tolstoi, easily), but for me it is a major pick up because of the back. And by far the most I've paid for a T218. This puts me at 621/632 cards to complete the master set, with the most difficult cards crossed off. 1 tough Mecca cards, 8 Tolstoi's, and 2 commons I just haven't grabbed left to complete. Very happy it's owner was kind enough to let it go to a new home where it will hopefully reside for decades in an eventually completed master set.

[G1911]

Thanks to Marslife for this pleasant surprise! Russell here has the Hassan Series 2, F30 back. Crossing it off puts me at 622/632 cards for the master. Down to the final 10, 1 of which (Sedley with the Hassan Series 2, F30 back) is easy, and then 9 more pain in the rears

[G1911]

These should look pretty familiar to the board from another thread. Up to a whopping 10 of them for my T219 master set. Without some incredibly good luck, I doubt I will ever finish this one, but it's fun to compile as many of the 200 cards as possible.

[RCMcKenzie]

This was a nice find by Dave. Looks to be from an original collection. I tried to pick a few that had a card in the Tolstoi group, for back runs. I'm at about 10 or 11 now, and I wasn't going for the set, but will add on more if I can.

[G1911]

Very nice batch of boxing in this week. Thank you to the member and new friend who gave me his Johnson at a fair price. Has a crease down the middle, I'd call it Good, but Turkey Red's tends to look great in low grade with those fat borders that eat up the wear and keep it away from the large, gorgeous lithographs. Maybe I'm weird, but I really like the backdrop of Johnson and Langford's cards, in front of a farmhouse rather than the indoor ring the other cards use. Johnson and Langford looks more like a blowup type 1 T220, the rest of the cards blown up T218's.

Coulon was the Bantamweight champion of the world when his T9 was issued, and a prominent trainer for decades after his boxing career. He maintained his tiny weight in his retirement and was evidently well-known, judging from the newspapers, for being able to prevent men who doubled or tripled his weight from picking him up. He and Johnson were good friends, and Coulon was one of Jack's pallbearers.

Puts me at 16/26 of the common cards with the text on back.

The Delmont and Kaufman are Miners Extra backed T219's, cards 46 and 47 in my Miners Extra set. 3 commons to go.

Packey McFarland's T225 is for my master set, like 96 cards into the 250 run. He was a fine lightweight with a possibly record undefeated streak.

The Willie Hoppe isn't a boxing card, but as T218's are centered here it seems okay to include. Back is miscut showing that the card to the right of Hoppe (Playing) on the sheet was also Hoppe (Playing). This matches with Adam's Summers miscut in T218-3, and the sheet pattern of the T220-1's.

The Mayo's are Austin Gibbons and Joe Walcott, I've started to do the set in both name at top and name at bottom variety. I don't know squat about Gibbons really, Walcott was of course a fine champion.

The Lorillard's Elliott is a type card, and in horrific condition. But I like cards in horrific condition and one can't be picky on these, tough set.

[Exhibitman]

I just overpaid for this one for my type collection:

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[D. Bergin]

Very nice batch of boxing in this week. Thank you to the member and new friend who gave me his Johnson at a fair price. Has a crease down the middle, I'd call it Good, but Turkey Red's tends to look great in low grade with those fat borders that eat up the wear and keep it away from the large, gorgeous lithographs. Maybe I'm weird, but I really like the backdrop of Johnson and Langford's cards, in front of a farmhouse rather than the indoor ring the other cards use. Johnson and Langford looks more like a blowup type 1 T220, the rest of the cards blown up T218's.

Coulon was the Bantamweight champion of the world when his T9 was issued, and a prominent trainer for decades after his boxing career. He maintained his tiny weight in his retirement and was evidently well-known, judging from the newspapers, for being able to prevent men who doubled or tripled his weight from picking him up. He and Johnson were good friends, and Coulon was one of Jack's pallbearers.

Puts me at 16/26 of the common cards with the text on back.

The Delmont and Kaufman are Miners Extra backed T219's, cards 46 and 47 in my Miners Extra set. 3 commons to go.

Packey McFarland's T225 is for my master set, like 96 cards into the 250 run. He was a fine lightweight with a possibly record undefeated streak.

The Willie Hoppe isn't a boxing card, but as T218's are centered here it seems okay to include. Back is miscut showing that the card to the right of Hoppe (Playing) on the sheet was also Hoppe (Playing). This matches with Adam's Summers miscut in T218-3, and the sheet pattern of the T220-1's.

The Mayo's are Austin Gibbons and Joe Walcott, I've started to do the set in both name at top and name at bottom variety. I don't know squat about Gibbons really, Walcott was of course a fine champion.

The Lorillard's Elliott is a type card, and in horrific condition. But I like cards in horrific condition and one can't be picky on these, tough set.


Nice haul. Never hurts to pick up a Hoppe. He's basically the Babe Ruth/Ty Cobb of his sport. There was also a boxer with the same name, active around the same time. Most famous for getting most of his hands blown up in an explosives accident, and still being a fairly successful boxer. Don't think he ever got on a card though.

[D. Bergin]

I just overpaid for this one for my type collection:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cZYAAOSw66lhqvD7/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/p1kAAOSwpBJhqvEA/s-l1600.jpg

That's an interesting Dempsey.

[Exhibitman]

Yeah, interwar Italian cards are one of many backwaters of obscurity in which i like to immerse myself. Not as cool as Ukrainian chewing gum cards, though. :)

[jb217676]

Here's a couple of newer cards compared to what's been posted lately! Here's two cards that I just got back from SGC, found a complete 1998 Cardinal set in my parents basement. I sent the Austin in as a test, will be sending more in for sure!

[G1911]

A stack of Mayo's. I don't know how many cards actually constitute a master set even; the name at bottom cards come in multiple varieties and tones with major differences between images. Divining what was an intentional change and what just happened during printing is a line pretty much impossible to know from this remove.

The panel is right up my alley, unique oddities to complement a set run. The Mayo's are about the best of the 19th century boxing sets, 35 cards is a lot by 19th century boxing standards and the images are nice. Unlike most of the black and white cards of the period, the images don't really have a fading problem.

[Exhibitman]

The Mayo name on bottom tone variations are vexing. Here's a Hall which is the most severe of the variations:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/N310%20Hall.jpg

The layer of artwork is missing. Here is a side by side with a normal tone:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/N310%20Hall%20comparison.jpg

I used to own that uncut two-card strip.

[G1911]

The vast difference and clear change to the artwork makes them, I think, true variations and thus necessary for a master set. Part of the fun of boxing is that I’ve almost never had an actual complete checklist available when starting a set.

As I recall, this panel is the smallest of 3 that at one point were all connected together. I think these 3 related strips are the only N310 Mayo uncut material, but what do I know. I’m happy to have it to add to my little stack of 19th century

[Exhibitman]

It is one of a former three-piece strip. There is a strip known with Sullivan and Corbett on it.

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=15476

You are never going to complete a master set with the missing artwork cards. I've seen two of them, this Hall and a Dixon. That's it.

[G1911]

I don't expect to complete N310, but I include all variations in a master set. I'd like to get to at least 70 eventually, but it's not a priority until I finish T220 (188/190), T218 (622/632) and T219 (145/200). "Until" meaning "Big IF"....


Got 9 more Silver's in this week, 8 from a friend and the McAuliffe off eBay. The McCoy is a cool one that has the layer of silver spread lightly over his name, making it quite faint. The Burke has a wet sheet transfer on the back I didn't notice for a few days, showing his name. Wet Sheet transfers are very common in the Type 2 white borders, rarely seen in the Silvers. Both the Driscoll's are the "stained corner" variation.

[G1911]

And here's some more from the week.

The Donovan is a very tough variation with the red ink from the background wall inked over the floor as well. I did not have this confirmed with the 649 back on this card until now. A member was kind enough to dig through his collection with me and then sell it to me. The Wagner red overprint variation was just the last one I needed. This makes my T220-2 Mecca set complete. I'm at 164/165 on the White Borders, just need Dempsey with a Tolstoi back, which isn't too too rare, just popular.

Batch of T225's, up to 96/250 on these type 1's. The 250 checklist is a presumption, I have not confirmed the existence of all theoretical cards yet. The cards were apparently done by Brett Litho. and Fulgraff, but the cigarette company was outside the ATC, I believe. The lack of a Jack Johnson makes this set fun to build 10 times over as it's light on my wallet and the cards look great.

I'm not picky on condition ever, but especially for tougher types. T224/T229 I've got ten cards now after deciding to go for the 80 card run a few months ago. That's a better pace than I'd expected to begin, it will quickly tail off. Not very popular but pretty tough.

[G1911]

I don't really fit into the modern hobby much, but I really enjoy the base cards of some of the old timers and historical figures. They aren't worth much, which is very nice. One of the things I'm doing is picking up John L. Sullivan cards. I just got the yellow plate in the mail, had the black one already. 2 of the 4 down. I have 3 of his 4 Goodwin plates. It's really, really, really hard to do a plate run, because the odds are 1 or more of them are in a box somewhere unopened, or the person who pulled them just puts them in their collection and never puts up for sale or mentions it. Lot of fun when they do appear, and rarely cost very much.

[Bill77]

I grabbed this because it was only $4.75 and looked like it had silver boarders. It's just really dirty. The second picture is more accurate.

[G1911]

Just as a heads up, Wagner is impossible with a Silver border. There are 25 known silvers, 99.99% certain that's the true set size; a 26th card has not been shown and would be very difficult and odd to have done based on what we've learned from the sheet material. Images of Wagner's type, the solid backdrop with floor art style, are not available with T220-1 Silver. Silver's are all the outdoor non-FB poses, Choynski, Goldman (different from the styling of the 'in ring with background color' cards in type 2) and FB Randall/Belasco. If there was a 26th card, it would be Heenan, Mace, or one of the Fight Between cards, I think.

[Bill77]

I know it just looked weird in the ebay listing and with the low price it was worth taking a look.

[G1911]

Overpaid way too much tonight, and not a boxing card, but it completes a set mostly collected by boxing collectors. #254 out of 254 possible Hassan cards. At 327/328 on Mecca backs, 42/50 on Tolstoi to finish. I've never heard of a complete Hassan set out there, and some of the cards have only been very recently confirmed.

[wicker56]

Greg,


If you don’t mind me asking, was this a BIN off of Ebay?

[G1911]

Greg,


If you don’t mind me asking, was this a BIN off of Ebay?

I snagged it at auction off eBay, $51.11 after shipping and taxes. Which is too much for a track card in a very weak 5 (one of the corners appears to have an indent/crease). H2-30 is a tougher back but usually doesn’t carry a premium, there are some oddly rare Hassan combinations but Sedley is a normal one. Was hoping it would go cheaper but I’m a happy camper, can’t wait to crack it out and unify the complete set. 9 total T218’s to go, I’ll be very happy to get one card a year at this point.

[Tao_Moko]

w/ hands raised towards the gods. Took a long time to get this which is supposedly not so scarce.

[G1911]

Glad you snagged one. Have to show them all together when it arrives. Are you going to do his T219 cards with the same artwork?

[Tao_Moko]

Glad you snagged one. Have to show them all together when it arrives. Are you going to do his T219 cards with the same artwork?

Thanks. I'll scan them when it arrives. I believe I have the t219 but will have to check the binder later. This run was harder than all if the T206 "elite 11" runs I've built. Jeanette deserves some cred because it was an 18 month hunt. Not that the Tolstoi was easy but this one eluded me more.

[G1911]

The Tolstoi is much rarer, but H30's are notably tougher than the M30/M649/H649 backs. I love the Jeanette/Jeannette artwork with the bold yellow background.

There are 101 cards with the Hassan 30 back without the series 2 notation, 51 with the notation, representing 3 different major print runs.

Group 1) 50 of the H30 cards printed without without the series 2 notation, consisting of the Series 1 subjects minus Handy and Johnson (Green), printed after the Mecca cards. Johnson (Green) was added to production late, and printed with this back in series 1. Johnson (Green) series 1 cards are oriented so that with the back facing the correct way to read it, Johnson's gloves are pointing up.

Group 2) The series 2 subjects produced with the H30 back, without the 2nd series notation. Johnson (Blue) is a no-print, probably because of something to do with the late addition and continuation of his super-printed Green card, or because this time H30 led off Series 2 production and the Blue card had not been designed yet. The Green Johnson appears in this 2nd run again, oriented opposite of his original card, so that if the back is facing the correct way to read it, Johnson's gloves are now pointing down.

The Jeanette error is in this print run. Every one of his H30 no series notation cards has the error; none of the cards with the other backs do. There do not appear to be any short prints in this series. H30 cards are a lot tougher than Mecca backs or H649's, but there are many of them for every Tolstoi.

Group 3) The series 2 subjects, printed again with the series 2 notation added. Johnson (Blue) was printed this time, 51 subjects. Johnson (Blue) probably replaced Johnson (Green) on the production sheets that were often centered around multiples of 25. The Johnson (Green) does exist, though it is incredibly rare. I have only seen 2 copies of it and long offered a bounty simply for proof of its existence. It presumably is not worth much/any more than any other Johnson (Green) because almost nobody cares about H30's. The Hassan 30 cards with the series 2 notation are a bit tougher than the ones without it, slightly less common than Hassan 30 print group 2.

I'd rank the cards with this picture as, easiest to toughest:
Jeannette, Mecca seres 2 649
Jeannette, Hassan series 2 649
Jeannette, Mecca series 2 30
Jeannette, Honest Long Cut Black
Jeanette error, Hassan 30
Jeannette, Hassan series 2 30
Jeannette, Honest Long Cut Green
Jeannette, Miners Extra
Jeannette, Tolstoi
Jeannette, Red Cross

[Bill77]

A nice Packey for my collection.

[Michael B]

I snagged it at auction off eBay, $51.11 after shipping and taxes. Which is too much for a track card in a very weak 5 (one of the corners appears to have an indent/crease). H2-30 is a tougher back but usually doesn’t carry a premium, there are some oddly rare Hassan combinations but Sedley is a normal one. Was hoping it would go cheaper but I’m a happy camper, can’t wait to crack it out and unify the complete set. 9 total T218’s to go, I’ll be very happy to get one card a year at this point.

It is odd how many non-Olympians are included in the swimming and track in this set. Sedley is one of them. I do not collect cards, but I have been very tempted to pick up some of these as they are nice looking. I have original photos of almost all of the Olympians in the set. At least from what I can tell - Hartranft, Eller, Flanagan, McGrath, J. Sullivan M. Sheppard, M Sheridan, Hillman, C M Daniels, Ewry, Ruddy, Platt Adams, SP Gillis (last name misspelled on card), Riley, Pilgrim, Porter, Bacon, H Wilson, Crowley, Lawson Robertson, Budd and Kiviat. I have also had the signatures of many of them and currently have Hillman, Robertson and Kiviat. Kiviat was the last living person in that set from what I know. He died in 1991. Kiviat and Platt Adams played in the demonstration baseball games during the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm, Sweden. Adams pitched for a mixed team which included members of the Vösteras Bäsboll Klubb. He did not fare so well, giving up four runs in the first inning. Kiviat played shortstop for the U.S. team going 2 for 4, including a triple, and stole a base.

[G1911]

It is odd how many non-Olympians are included in the swimming and track in this set. Sedley is one of them. I do not collect cards, but I have been very tempted to pick up some of these as they are nice looking. I have original photos of almost all of the Olympians in the set. At least from what I can tell - Hartranft, Eller, Flanagan, McGrath, J. Sullivan M. Sheppard, M Sheridan, Hillman, C M Daniels, Ewry, Ruddy, Platt Adams, SP Gillis (last name misspelled on card), Riley, Pilgrim, Porter, Bacon, H Wilson, Crowley, Lawson Robertson, Budd and Kiviat. I have also had the signatures of many of them and currently have Hillman, Robertson and Kiviat. Kiviat was the last living person in that set from what I know. He died in 1991. Kiviat and Platt Adams played in the demonstration baseball games during the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm, Sweden. Adams pitched for a mixed team which included members of the Vösteras Bäsboll Klubb. He did not fare so well, giving up four runs in the first inning. Kiviat played shortstop for the U.S. team going 2 for 4, including a triple, and stole a base.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to see some of your photos of these guys. The track cards are the 'leftovers' in T218, but I love them. Gorgeous cards and super cheap usually.

I don't know much about track history beyond what I've researched on T218 subjects, but it seems there are many fairly obscure track athletes featured, and many Olympians who were not. I think this probably has to do with Frank G. Fullgraff's (the American Lithographic salesman/project manager with tobacco connects who apparently devised, designed and out together many of the T card sets) social network and the release contracts for their images. Fullgraff was a long time sportsman and member of the New York Athletic Club, so the man who made up the sets and was probably in charge of the releases (judging from T225/T220), knew Sedley and many of the others personally. I have found little information out there on Sedley, he seems one of the most obscure of the subjects.

I like that they originally spelled Gillis correctly on the back but wrong on the front, and then created a variation by making the back wrong too instead of fixing the front.

Kiviat passed away at 99, 4 months after I was born. I've been looking for a signed Kiviat T218 card for a long time, there have been some blatantly fake signed T218's on eBay a couple of times, but some of the sets roster lived long enough for an autograph card to be a significant possibility. Kiviat seems the most likely to be out there somewhere.

[Exhibitman]

I've seen almost no legitimate signed T boxing cards.

The most likely prewar boxing cards to find signed (besides self-issued promos and souvenir restaurant postcards) seem to be Exhibit cards. I've seen several Dempsey, quite a few Schmeling (modern signed since he lived to 100), several Sharkey (career-contemporary and much later), a few Tunney, and a smattering of non-title and lower weight classes.

Signed prewar strip and insert cards are rare. I have two and each appears to be signed decades after issue

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/entertainmentmemorabiliaforsale/large/1923%20W515%20Dempsey%20signed.png
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/joelouis/websize/1938%20Churchman%20Louis%20signed%202.jpg

I just don't think these guys got hit up for autographs like baseball players, unless they were in the hospitality business.

[G1911]

I don't think I've seen even 1 possibly legitimate signed T card of a boxer.

But then again, I'm a sceptic and think most of the signed baseball T cards are frauds as well. The authenticators sure can't seem to tell what's real and what isn't as they keep getting caught certifying cards proven to be fakes as real. That there are almost 0 known signed T cards of a non-baseball subject (There might be a T118 Henson that is real I have seen, that's the only one I can think of) should be a red flag that the large influx of signed T206's and such are awfully convenient. Baseball was very popular, but so was boxing. Some of the post-Glory of Their Times cards are real, but I've lost any faith anyone is actually able to tell which ones are real and which are one of the many, many fakes of those guys.

There were the horribly faked T218's we had a thread on a year or two ago. I've seen a couple other obviously not real ones. This Goldman card was on eBay a couple weeks ago, stated to have a COA that was not shown or even said who from. Someone bet $40 it was real.

If there's a real singed T card of a boxer out there, I'd put my money on it being a Johnny Coulon or a Jim Jeffries.

As Abel Kiviat passed away in 1991, and was apparently in good health for most of his later life, I'd not be surprised if there's a couple modern signed cards of him out there.

[D. Bergin]

I don't think I've seen even 1 possibly legitimate signed T card of a boxer.

There were the horribly faked T218's we had a thread on a year or two ago.


That was the thread I thought of right away to. I had to track it down. For anybody that wants to revisit, it's here:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=284852&highlight=signed+t218

[D. Bergin]

Guys like Jeffries and Coulon and Abe Attell and Charley Goldman attended tons of old-timers events later in life, and likely handed out lots of autographs at these events. Probably not common in the least, but I'd be surprised if nobody ever brought a T card up for them to sign.

[Michael B]

I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to see some of your photos of these guys. The track cards are the 'leftovers' in T218, but I love them. Gorgeous cards and super cheap usually.

I don't know much about track history beyond what I've researched on T218 subjects, but it seems there are many fairly obscure track athletes featured, and many Olympians who were not. I think this probably has to do with Frank G. Fullgraff's (the American Lithographic salesman/project manager with tobacco connects who apparently devised, designed and out together many of the T card sets) social network and the release contracts for their images. Fullgraff was a long time sportsman and member of the New York Athletic Club, so the man who made up the sets and was probably in charge of the releases (judging from T225/T220), knew Sedley and many of the others personally. I have found little information out there on Sedley, he seems one of the most obscure of the subjects.

I like that they originally spelled Gillis correctly on the back but wrong on the front, and then created a variation by making the back wrong too instead of fixing the front.

Kiviat passed away at 99, 4 months after I was born. I've been looking for a signed Kiviat T218 card for a long time, there have been some blatantly fake signed T218's on eBay a couple of times, but some of the sets roster lived long enough for an autograph card to be a significant possibility. Kiviat seems the most likely to be out there somewhere.

Here are some photos from my archives. I picked these as they were already scanned and sized to put on a website:

Probably a very rare Spalding premium of the gold medal winners from the 1906 Intercalated Games. The IOC does not like to include them in the Olympics, but most Olympic historians do. This is mounted on 3/16 inch cardstock with a slight curve to it. I believe there are at least 4 athletes in this photo who are in the T218 set. At one time I had the signatures of every person in this photo, including James Sullivan and Matt Halpin. I purchased a large group of items from the estate of the son of Isidor 'Jack' Niflot. He won a gold medal in wrestling in 1904 and competed in 1906. He collected autographs of all of his teammates on the back of his business card. I purchased them along with photos and other items.
498458

Two photos of Platt Adams. His brother Ben was also an Olympian
498459
498460

Two photos of Charles Bacon. The studio photos are my favorites.
498461
498462

Ralph Craig - 1912 gold medalist in the 100m. I am not sure if he is in the set or not.
498463

Charles Daniels
498464

Joe Ruddy - won gold medals in swimming and water polo in 1904. Next to him is his son Ray who competed in swimming in 1928 and 1936. Ray died in 1938 at age 27.
498466

Mel Sheppard - I believe this is a magic lantern slide.
498467

Ira Davenport - I do not believe he is in the T218 set. I saw a listing for a lot of Pan Handle scrap cards and I believe one of them was him.
498465

[Exhibitman]

Speaking of Mel Sheppard, here's a 1912 Capital Candy & Cracker card of him:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/dropins/websize/CapitalCandy%20composite.jpg

If you ever see a card from this set, buy it. They are extraordinary rarities and just beautiful lithos.

[G1911]

The Bacon is close to, but not quite, the one used to model his T218 card. The Daniels photo looks like it might be the one they modeled the art for his E229 card artwork on. Very cool stuff to see!

[wicker56]

I figured after all of the years that I've been lurking on this site, that I might as well start posting some of my new acquisitions. The C.A. Briggs although not exactly eye candy, it is pretty rare.

[wicker56]

This is a recent Ebay purchase. I'm hoping someone may recognize it and have a little info, on what it is.. The card is 3 x 3 1/4 and talks about the Gans Nelson championship fight. The stock is pretty thick , like that of a cereal box or something.

[Exhibitman]

You outbid me on that Briggs, Chad. A rare one for sure.

That other card is from the UK. I got one from the issue from a UK collection.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/UK%20unk%20issue.jpg

[G1911]

2 more for my Red Sun "set". Cards 8 and 9 since I decided to try to do this one like 8 months ago. Progress will slow considerably from a one a month pace, I'm sure. I frankly doubt I am willing to pay what a Johnson would go for at public sale, so I am unlikely to ever complete it, but I hope to get all the commons and guys-who-were-stars-then-and-nobody-cares-about-much-now.

These were, I think, blatantly overgraded in their holders. I think the Kaufman is probably a 2, not even a 3. Can't capture in scans, but in addition to the heavy edge and corner wear there is an indentation along the left side where it looks like both cards were once squished by an object, recessing the card stock on that side. I started cracking because I don't care about grading company opinions and the slabs take a lot more space to store, but I've come to learn cracking a card is important if I care what shape it's actually in: those slabs hide a LOT of damage. The Kaufman also is considerably short, though I don't think trimmed, it probably should have been a MINSZ reject if not a 2.

Even if one blows their nose with million dollar bills, I don't see how one can build this set and be too condition sensitive. I'm very happy to have 2 more. Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever took a different photograph of Al Kaufman...

[D. Bergin]

Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever took a different photograph of Al Kaufman...


A few other shots of Kaufman. :)

[wicker56]

I wasn't sure I even had any Kaufman cards, due to I'm not much of a set collector. I think these Tolstoi's are all I've got though.

[Marslife]

Mail Day Friday :-)

Backs took a beating ... but a Boxer in the hand....

getting close on the T back set... I have a few for trade if anyone want to explore a trade...

Cliff

500266

500267

[wicker56]

I just overpaid for this one for my type collection:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cZYAAOSw66lhqvD7/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/p1kAAOSwpBJhqvEA/s-l1600.jpg




Adam,


Has the card arrived yet?

Thanks Chad

[Exhibitman]

Yup. Took a month, give or take.

[wicker56]

I received a package from Germany on Friday, after a little over three weeks en route. That’s much better than the 6 to 8 weeks from Canada, at the moment.

Hopefully it was worth the weight. It’s a really cool card, and one I’ve not seen before. I have to say though, I wish more of the European cards were a bit larger.

[Exhibitman]

What did you get?

I like the smaller cards. I fit 'em 9 to a page in my album.

[wicker56]

What did you get?

I like the smaller cards. I fit 'em 9 to a page in my album.



This Carnera completes all of the boxers in the ILSA Sweets set. It's not much to look at compared to the Dempsey and Schmeling, but I still like it. The ILSA Sweets cards are hard to find without paper loss or stains from glue, due to they were supposed to be stuck in an album. I also find it interesting that I purchased the card from Germany, already in a PSA slab.

[wicker56]

I recently acquired this Slapsy Maxie's post card. It's also not much to look at, but it's a cool piece of boxing history.

[Exhibitman]

I recently acquired this Slapsy Maxie's post card. It's also not much to look at, but it's a cool piece of boxing history.

Nice one. I have a few Slapsy Maxie's items including a snapshot with that photo on it.

[G1911]

After seeing some of Chad's Tolstoi's and Cliff's great find, it's almost shameful to share this one. But, it's been a few days since I've yammered about Tolstoi's. Lunghi here puts me at 43 out of the 50 possible cards. I will consider it a great win if I can add even one more T218 I need this year.

[wicker56]

After seeing some of Chad's Tolstoi's and Cliff's great find, it's almost shameful to share this one. But, it's been a few days since I've yammered about Tolstoi's. Lunghi here puts me at 43 out of the 50 possible cards. I will consider it a great win if I can add even one more T218 I need this year.

Greg,


That’s a really clean Tolstoi!

[G1911]

These will look familiar ;).

Pretty nice stack in my eyes, the fronts are bolder in color than C52's are normally found. C52's tend to be less good on the registration front than the T218 print runs, faces for example are usually a little out of registration and these are no different. Almost all the cards have back toning and spots of toning on the front that I suspect are from decades long storage in the album they were in. This seems common in C52, the heavily browned backs that turn the ink a bluish/green are not a stock variant, just toning. I suspect it is common because Imperial Tobacco tended to issue albums for their cards that people stored them in and this setup has led to toning. The album this came with is certainly not the Imperial Tobacco album that could have been issued for the set. I do suspect one may have been issued though and could turn up.

None of these would grade higher than a 3 I think, but they look good and I never care much about condition anyways. This lot brings me up to 86 out of the 109 cards in the set, and gives me some dupes now that are available for swapping (hit me up if anyone is interested). I have to bump C52 up my priority list now, 23 to go isn't too bad.

I got the T53's, T73's and single C71 with the find. Plugged some holes in my T73 set and a lot of the T53's were small upgrades to my completed master set. C71 I have to research, looks pretty cool and I like the non-sport animal series', but that's for the other board.

[wicker56]

Very nice! I’m glad they went to a good home.

[soxinseven]

Back from SGC. I feel like it's a bit over graded but I'm harsh on black border issues. I'm just happy to own a crease free example.

[D. Bergin]

These will look familiar ;).

Pretty nice stack in my eyes, the fronts are bolder in color than C52's are normally found. C52's tend to be less good on the registration front than the T218 print runs, faces for example are usually a little out of registration and these are no different. Almost all the cards have back toning and spots of toning on the front that I suspect are from decades long storage in the album they were in. This seems common in C52, the heavily browned backs that turn the ink a bluish/green are not a stock variant, just toning. I suspect it is common because Imperial Tobacco tended to issue albums for their cards that people stored them in and this setup has led to toning. The album this came with is certainly not the Imperial Tobacco album that could have been issued for the set. I do suspect one may have been issued though and could turn up.

None of these would grade higher than a 3 I think, but they look good and I never care much about condition anyways. This lot brings me up to 86 out of the 109 cards in the set, and gives me some dupes now that are available for swapping (hit me up if anyone is interested). I have to bump C52 up my priority list now, 23 to go isn't too bad.

I got the T53's, T73's and single C71 with the find. Plugged some holes in my T73 set and a lot of the T53's were small upgrades to my completed master set. C71 I have to research, looks pretty cool and I like the non-sport animal series', but that's for the other board.

Those are great looking C52's.....particularly the Johnson and Jeffries. I think they're really under-rated and not especially common at all.

[D. Bergin]

Back from SGC. I feel like it's a bit over graded but I'm harsh on black border issues. I'm just happy to own a crease free example.


Holy Cows.......that's a fantastic example of that card.

[Exhibitman]

Holy Cows.......that's a fantastic example of that card.

Ditto. I am happy to have any example in my collection.

[wondo]

French “Sports Library” series

[GasHouseGang]

That's an interesting card John, I've never seen one of those.

[G1911]

Another batch thanks to the board here.

I love the N28's but don't plan to ever build the set, with the cost of the baseball cards. I'll have to put more effort into the boxers in it now that the big one is here. I prefer this Sullivan to any of John L.'s other non-cabinet sized cards, even if it is one of his most common vintage items. Great pose of a great champion.

Got a couple more Mayo's, with Tommy Ryan being the highlight. I'm trying to build this set both ways with the name at top and bottom. Ryan is my kind of card I prefer, priced as a common but a top-tier boxer.

Sullivan is most of the $ in the batch, but the Red Sun's are the big gets as they are very difficult cards. This puts me up to 11 of them ~7 months after I started the set. I don't expect to continue this pace. Brown is in pretty bad shape for a Red Sun, most of the surviving examples are in decent condition, but can't be picky with these. Brown is also noteworthy as being one of the few subjects in T226 that has a T218 card but uses a different picture than the T218/T9 uses. Happy to have two more here

[Jcfowler6]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220312/4bc5a3b90fd18f7804d141f49cf891e9.jpg

The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.

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[G1911]

I’d be thrilled as all get out to find that Sullivan in one of my stacks of random cards. Very nice one

[GasHouseGang]

The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.

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I guess I need to go to more flea markets! If you want to double your original asking price, I'd go up to $20! :D

[wdmullins]

The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.


nice card

[Exhibitman]

Trimmed but I like it anyway:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/saleholding/websize/1895%20N310%20Mayo%20Corbett.png

[G1911]

Very nice Corbett

[G1911]

Big thank you to one of the members here for sending me these! Mostly a boxing set, so I think these are close enough to go here. Usually I think SGC overgrades my boxing pickups, but I'm not sure why the Leary is a 2. Davidson is a good looking 2, McWood a lower end 2, but Leary looks like a 3-3.5 to me.

I know the Davidson is a bit more popular, it's a weird looking picture which puts it up my alley. Goes with my T218 Jordan's as the totality of my roller skater collection.

Brings me to 13 of the 40 T224/T229 fronts, ~7-8 months into the project. Coming faster than I expected, probably won't ever finish but it's a fun and rare set and I'll enjoy however many I end up with to display. I don't want to know what Jack Johnson will cost me...

[Exhibitman]

French “Sports Library” series

Willie Lewis (listed on the cover of your book) apparently was a big deal in France. He fought out of Paris for a while. I have this large relief bronze of him from 1911:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/Lewis%20Bronze.JPG

It's a pretty good likeness:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/l4QAAOSw5QNflYK3/s-l1600.jpg

It is the only piece of memorabilia I have on display in the living room that doesn't annoy my wife.

[pete zouras]

in this grade, but happy to have

[G1911]

The one on the right is new. There are several Sullivan's and Corbett's in this series, with both of them termed the "Champion of the World". It is a presumably from sometime between 1892 and 1897, probably the early part of that range. Not sure how many make a full set or who made this unmarked series, but they are fairly common and cheap by Sullivan cabinet standards.

A previous owner pencilled the outlines of his career and life up to Sullivan's death on the back.

[G1911]

I don't even know what I just bought. It was on eBay as a "Cabinet Card", but it is not a cabinet card as it is not a mounted photo, or in the standard cabinet size. It is just printed onto the stock like a postcard. I've never heard the term "vivi-photo" that is stamped I the bottom left before. My search didn't turn up much about this, or the address listed on the card.

I'm not even sure it's even 1910 period, but Cooley was a decent boxer and a tragic life who has few cards, so if I bought some later image or fake, it's fine and will display nice all the same. It was pretty cheap.

[sthoemke]

I tink the Fred Cooley photo is authentic to the period (circa 1910).

Produced by Hennegan & Co. of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Here are a few postcards for sale produced by the same company around the same time period.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=Hennegan%20woodcut&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results

[Exhibitman]

can anyone ID this guy?

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpostcards/websize/1930s%20Dermoxa%201.jpg

I thought this blotter was fun:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/boxingpremiums/websize/1930s%20Blotter%20Dempsey%20Tunney.jpg

Am I reading too much into it or do these illustrations actually resemble the pair?

[G1911]

I tink the Fred Cooley photo is authentic to the period (circa 1910).

Produced by Hennegan & Co. of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Here are a few postcards for sale produced by the same company around the same time period.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=Hennegan%20woodcut&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results

Thank you sir!

[LuckyLarry]

I'm slowly working on a second set 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling. With a little extra coin I had in my pocket picked up this Bronko Nagurski $33.65 delivered after Canada shipping and US taxes. About as cheap as you're gonna find one?
Larry
https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=33000https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=33001

[wicker56]

Adam,

in my opinion the pair definitely looks like Tunney on the right and and Dempsey on the left. a cool piece, and one I’ve not seen before.

[sthoemke]

Picked up a 1973 Dimanche Derniere Jean Ferre (aka Andre the Giant)

https://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=509094&stc=1&d=1648368133

[sthoemke]

I'm slowly working on a second set 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling. With a little extra coin I had in my pocket picked up this Bronko Nagurski $33.65 delivered after Canada shipping and US taxes. About as cheap as you're gonna find one?
Larry
https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=33000https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=542&pictureid=33001

Nice pickup. The Potato Chips stamped cards are pretty scarce.

[G1911]

Thank you to Adam for these. I generally don't collect the N cards because the boxing N cards are either

1) Not realistically possible to complete a set because they are so scarce or

2) The set has baseball players in it which means completing the set costs $$$$$$ and I'm a cheapass.

I've gotten better at accepting I just won't complete some sets and enjoy having an incomplete set. I may pick up the non-baseball's, but I'm not willing to pay the price for Anson/Kelly etc. Thanks to Adam, I just got the boxing subset in one go without having to decide to chase them all down. Thanks Adam.

The Mitchell is much nicer than I thought it was looking at the pictures, the colors really pop on the lithographic cards when they aren't toned as most of them are, even in higher grades. Jem Smith is my favorite of the N162's.

Of course, I believe I still need to get the variations. Mitchell and Dempsey have the lithographer line at back bottom, Sullivan and Smith do not (Kilrain has paper loss obscuring his). I don't know which back type is tougher and am not knowledgeable about this issue. I believe all 50 cards come both ways, but this may be wrong.

[Exhibitman]

My pleasure. That subset took a rather convoluted route to get to you. Some jackass won the set at auction from me, reneged, got thrown off eBay, re-registered the next week, won it again AND RENEGED AGAIN! Rather than relist and let that guy get another crack at it, I sold it privately.

[GasHouseGang]

This just showed up in the mail.

[D. Bergin]

This just showed up in the mail.


I've probably handled over 100 different postcards over the years from that fight...but I think that might be the coolest one. Looks like a montage or collage against the background of a crowd shot. Very neat composition.

[D. Bergin]

My pleasure. That subset took a rather convoluted route to get to you. Some jackass won the set at auction from me, reneged, got thrown off eBay, re-registered the next week, won it again AND RENEGED AGAIN! Rather than relist and let that guy get another crack at it, I sold it privately.


Care to share the bidder Id's?

[GasHouseGang]

I've probably handled over 100 different postcards over the years from that fight...but I think that might be the coolest one. Looks like a montage or collage against the background of a crowd shot. Very neat composition.

I thought it was a great composition too, and the content on the back really reflects the times. Plus, it was postmarked the day after the fight.

[Exhibitman]

The deadbeat bidder is Jason Hamilton from Ohio. His first ID was allaboutthering. eBay removed it. The next one he used the name "John Taggerty" but the shipping address is Jason Hamilton in Ohio. That ID is aboxerslife and since it is active I suggest you block it.

[D. Bergin]

Thanks Adam

[edtiques]

I just picked up these two pinbacks of Ali. I thought they were kind of unusual.

On June 29th, 1979, world heavyweight boxing champion Muhammad Ali faced Governor Brendan Byrne and Jersey City Mayor Thomas Smith in exhibition bouts at the Jersey City armory. The supposed purpose of the event was to raise money for the Medical Center.

[G1911]

Thanks to a board member for a purchase and trade here.

The T220 Tolstoi Dempsey is the big get for me - this completes my T220 Tolstoi set and my T220 White Border Master set with all 3 backs and all image variations. It puts me at 189/190 cards in the T220 full master set - only the Jas. J. Corbett Silver Border to go (anyone want to cash out and sell one yet?). I got my first Tolstoi close to 20 years ago when I was a kid

The C52's put me at 89/109 in my set, down to 20 cards left. The Cutler measures considerably short but it looks the nicest.

The Wolgast puts me at 42 of the 50 Honest Long Cut Green backs, and at 146 cards deep into the master set. I doubt I will ever complete this master run, but it's a been a blast working on it.

The T227 Coulon is the purple back variation. Still need Honest Long Cut Purples of Johnson, Klaus, and Attell.

Pickup days are becoming rarer as I'm pretty deep into my c. 1910 boxing master runs now, which just makes them more fun.

[G1911]

Got a book this week from the BST. Had never heard of it before.

One of my lanes of interest has been figuring what was known when about the T cards. I've found little to no checklists even from before the time I entered boxing card land in ~2003, so for $20 I thought this might be interesting material.

Some of it is woefully inaccurate or just incomplete. The T218 series are nowhere even close to accurate (but then again I don't think any source has been close to correct besides Vrechek's article), and the writer did not know Tolstoi backs exist at all. It's interesting to see what cards just weren't known then. T224/T226/C52 note that their checklists are not complete and are reporting what has been seen, and labels 50 cards for T224-9. For T220 it says Coburn with and without a man to left exists in both white and silver, it reports the T220 Silver Jack Goodman fantasy while missing the Donovan (of course) and Jas. J. Corbett (when was this card first known? It's public knowledge predates the Donovan of 2006). Other parts are surprisingly on point. T219 has all 4 backs listed, by far the earliest reference to the Green backs (guess I didn't figure that out ;) and to Red Cross being physically smaller than the other 3 (guess I didn't figure that out either ;). Lots of good stuff about the British issues. Been a fun read for a few bucks with some insights into the historiography.

Also got a 23 card set of VG-EX T220 Silver's, 5 of them turned out to be upgrades.

[Exhibitman]

Seconds Out is a go-to guide for the UK issues. I've found it very useful in ID'ing types for my collection. Unlike the WTI, it has pictures. When I saw the American section it inspired me to start doing my own books--i couldn't make it worse...

As for new stuff, these finally landed from So. America, so say hello to my little friends:

1956 Crack Gigantes de Figuritas Sport Marciano

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1956%20Crack%20Gigantes%20de%20Figuritas%20Sport%2 0Marciano.jpeg

1952 Figuritas Lali Archie Moore

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/rareboxingcards/websize/1952%20Figuritas%20Lali%20Moore.jpeg

Both rare as hell. I hadn't seen the Marciano offered for sale in years and the Moore was one I'd never seen before.

[G1911]

Seconds Out is a go-to guide for the UK issues. I've found it very useful in ID'ing types for my collection. Unlike the WTI, it has pictures. When I saw the American section it inspired me to start doing my own books--i couldn't make it worse...


I have the 2016-2017 edition of your book and have found it to be a wonderful resource for identifying the weird stuff I come across and random types, even though I'm not really the target for a book focused on types since I deep dive into the minutia of a handful of sets vs. getting lots of different stuff. A digital version would be very handy ;)

I've never had a copy of the WTI or the ACC. I should hunt some copies down to see what they say on T218-T229.

[Exhibitman]

I've never had a copy of the WTI or the ACC. I should hunt some copies down to see what they say on T218-T229.

You'll be disappointed. Those indices have little to no information beyond set size and manufacturer. Until i gave it a shot no one had bothered to try an actual write-up or checklist.

[G1911]

You'll be disappointed. Those indices have little to no information beyond set size and manufacturer. Until i gave it a shot no one had bothered to try an actual write-up or checklist.

Thanks for saving my cash. The search for the old checklists continues

[G1911]

Got a small lot of some T218's that had 2 Gilles' with no back scans. Finally lucked out and scored a surprise Gillis

[G1911]

I don't know much about dating postcards so I don't know when this is from beyond that it's not very recent. I like to get cards I find aesthetically nice of guys in the T218/T220 issue, so for less than $20 on eBay today I figure it was low risk and I'll enjoy it for that price regardless of when its from.

Jeffries was probably the greatest of the early heavyweight champions but has little modern interest relative to the popularity he had in his own time. Means there's a lot of stuff of him and most of it is cheap, which is lovely for me.

[Exhibitman]

Playle ID's that as a 1930-1950 PC back type.

[G1911]

Playle ID's that as a 1930-1950 PC back type.

Thank you!

[G1911]

Picked up a few more Mayo's. I was the underbidder on a lot of the others, happy to cross 1 of the Sullivan's off my wantlist. The Creeden and Goss don't measure right, I am confident the Creeden is trimmed. Neither belonged in a numbered slab, but it's rare I acquire an SGC card that is actually graded correctly. Why they insist (or insisted) on slapping 1890 on the label will always be a mystery to me.

[G1911]

Pal Moore of Pennsylvania is most renowned for being mistaken for Pal Moore of Memphis. Willie Beecher is most renowned for appearing in this set of cards. I really love the artwork for this set and the interesting outdoor backgrounds on the type 1 images. I really wish there had been a larger T9 type set incorporating these images in a larger format.

[Exhibitman]

Did you just get those or just photograph those?

[G1911]

Did you just get those or just photograph those?

Just acquired them - I don’t abuse the new pickups thread THAT badly ;).

[Exhibitman]

Nice. Private sale or more on eBay?

[G1911]

Nice. Private sale or more on eBay?

The gentleman who outbid me on them last year was kind enough to let me buy them in a private sale. Just have to figure out a good way to display them now