T206 Old Mill Portrait scarcity discussion.

[iwantitiwinit]

I seem to remember that at one point there was a thread discussing the scarcity of Old Mill portraits, can someone point me to that thread? Or discuss below. Thanks in advance.

[nineunder71]

http://www.thatt206life.com/2019/03/...th-rare-backs/

Check out this article on Luke’s website & Good Luck

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by nineunder71

http://www.thatt206life.com/2019/03/...th-rare-backs/

Check out this article on Luke’s website & Good Luck

Wow

How did you find the thread so fast?

[iwantitiwinit]

Thanks for the link. This was a thread here though that I seem to remember. Ted Z may have started it.

[Kevin]

Howard had a nice Red a Cobb Cycle yesterday at Hofstra. Just sayin’ !

[Pat R]

Luke would be a good person to chime in on this. One of the big factors is a lot of the portraits are print group 1 subjects and the majority of the low pop Old Mills are from print group 1.

Here are a couple of examples for comparison

Hooks Wiltse

Portrait no cap print group 1 PSA SGC pop = 9 Portrait with cap print group 4 PSA SGC pop = 55

McGraw

Portrait no cap print group 1 PSA SGC pop = 8 Portrait with cap print group 4 PSA SGC pop = 34

There is evidence that Old Mill was one of the last backs printed on the group 1 subjects and I think that is the reason many of them are low pop with Old Mill backs.

[Pat R]

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[iwantitiwinit]

Found them:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=t206+old+mill

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=t206+old+mill

[Pat R]

Rather than bumping the above thread that Robert linked here's a scan of a Merkle portrait Old Mill.

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey Ted, PSA lists zero Merkle portrait Old Mills. SGC lists 10 throwing and 6 unidentified Merkles, but zero confirmed Old Mill portraits.

T206resource.com says that it's confirmed, but I've never found one. Is anyone sure that it exists?

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sean

My OLD MILL list (started in 2006) has never shown Merkle (portrait) as confirmed......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=125226&page=5

I'm skeptical of any other lists that claim Merkle (portrait) exists. Let's see if someone on this forum posts a scan of this card ?


TED Z
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Merkle Portrait Old Mill.jpg

[2dueces]

I hope that ugly Archive person didn't post in that 11 year old thread.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

I hope that ugly Archive person didn't post in that 11 year old thread.

If I remember correctly, one of the Bruces (if not both) really went after Archive once.

[fkm_bky]

I love this type of information on the forum. And like many, I probably get a bit (selfishly) excited when realizing I may unknowingly own something that may be rarer than expected.

With that said, how do you really level-set whether something is more "special" than anticipated? I can easily look up Pop reports but that assumes those examples are or were at one point graded by said company.

For example, I have a Willis Port w/ Old Mill reverse. PSA shows a total of 4 for pop.

But, does that really fall into what one may determine a low production based on what was on the 'thatt206life.com' article or the previous archived threads in Net54? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Bill

[Luke]

Your Willis is a tough one. It's probably slightly more plentiful than average for 150-350 Old Mills. There are some incredibly rare poses and then also some that are quite plentiful. If you keep your eye out trying to find another, you may not see one for sale in the next year. Then again sometimes there are none for a given pose and then 3 show up in a month.

[tedzan]

From my long-time experience collecting T206 OLD MILL cards, here is a list
which reflects the tougher OLD MILL's in the......

150/350 Series

Alperman
Ball (New York)
Bates
Beaumont
Birmingham
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Chase (pink portrait)
Cicotte
Clarke (portrait)
Clarke (with bat)
Crandall (no cap)
Devlin (portrait)
Doolin (portrait)
Ferris
Flick
Isbell
Johnson (portrait)
F. Jones (portrait)
F. Jones (hands at hips)

Lajoie (portrait)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Leifield (pitching)
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (portrait)
Mathewson (portrait)
Merkle (portrait)
Overall (portrait)
Pastorius
Rucker (portrait)
Shipke
Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stovall (portrait)
Willis (portrait)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[t206kid]

One of the absolute toughest...

[Pat R]

Not a portrait but one the toughest 150/350 Old Mills and the most recent Old Mill confirmations on t206resource.

Seymour batting Old Mill.jpg

[RedsFan1941]

stick with luke and pat on this subject. they deal in facts.