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.... Sweet Caporal .... Sovereign .......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign .......... UZIT



This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman
so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)].

Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206
An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series.

One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ?
This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363
meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, it was "the start of of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Claude Raines to Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca).

In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start
in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set

Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle
"error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11


Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the
theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints.

So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here.

And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have.

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Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters.

Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted.


Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints"

Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards)

Post #5......350/460 series backs identified

Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards

Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery

Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection

Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded

Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set

Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back

Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb

Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection

Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series)

Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects

Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's

Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set

Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story

Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story

Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure

Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's !

Post #93.....T206 "Proofs"

Post #96.....UZIT checklist

Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins

Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911)

Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist

Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman

Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist

Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist

Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ?

Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards

Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards

Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards

Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued)

Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards

Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards

Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint)

Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards

Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards

Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards

Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's

Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards

Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards

Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects......

Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist

Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005

Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey

Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure

Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's

Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set

Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set

Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set

Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set

Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds"

Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards

Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ?

Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams

Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams

Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia

Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated

Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one !

Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ?

Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ?

Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story

Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's

Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist

Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement

Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement

Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards

Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's

Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist

Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card

Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back

Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate

Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ?

Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards

Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them

Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them

Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards

Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards

Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards

Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here

Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here

Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ?

Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run

Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards

Posts #951 >> 960.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards


In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors.
However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net
In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s).


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Here's MY only blank backAttachment 368421

Hi John

Thanks for posting Steinfeldt..….the batting pose of him is one of my favorite T206's.


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Old 10-26-2019, 06:08 PM
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While this 1921 card of Smoky Joe Wood is obviously not a T206, it is a Blank-Back card. So, I posted it here because it's a mystery why he was not included in the T206 set.
He started pitching for Boston (AL) in 1908. He Won 11, lost 7 in 1909 with an ERA = 2.18

American Lithographic could have featured Smoky Joe in their 460 Series (issued in early 1911), as they did with these 5 rookies, who started their careers in 1910:
Josh Devore
Russ Ford
Chick Gandil
Rube Geyer
Zach Wheat


Anyone here have any theories as to why Smoky Joe is not in the T206 set (and, for that matter not in the T205 set, which certain series were issued late in the Fall of 1911) ?
I would like to hear them.





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I cannot decide which of these three are my favorite backs; therefore, I'll start this show with examples of all three...…

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (AB 460) and UZIT backs were printed concurrently. Research indicates that they were issued circa Jan-Feb 1911. I believe the AB 460 and the UZIT
cards were in the last production runs of the T206 set.
I equate them to the 1952 TOPPS and 1949 BOWMAN High number's series (which were issued in the Fall of their respective years). Short-printed, and quite difficult to find.
And this is certainly very true for the AB 460 and UZIT T206 cards.


My 14-year adventure is nearly complete, I have 72 of the 74 subjects printed with the AB 460 back

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McGraw is the favorite of my UZIT cards, since this card is unique (till some day a 2nd one is discovered)

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My 1910 COUPON run includes the T206 six Super-Prints....plus 7 other T206 subjects. Willett is my nicest example


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OK, let's see which T206 back(s) are your favorite. And, tell us what in particular appeals to you about the back....or whatever ?


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I received an email from a new member inquiring about the "Super-Prints" which I referred to in my above post.

OK, most of you T206 enthusiasts are quite familiar with this term. For those who are new to this T206 game pictured below are the 6 super-print subjects. The significance
of these 6 subjects were identified by Scot Reader in his excellent research which he documented in his book...."Inside T206". The super-prints are more available than any
other T206's since these cards were printed with more tobacco brands. Furthermore, it is evident in many cases that these 6 subjects were Double-Printed on T206 sheets.


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Well, since there haven't been any responses to this topic at this point, I'll give this thread a friendly bump by noting my 4th favorite T206 back....BROAD LEAF 350 (BL 350).
And, my favorite guy with a BL 350 back is Mr. Chase.

Theoretically, there were 190 BL 350 cards printed by American Lithographic. To date, 177 subjects have been confirmed with the BL 350 back. This is indeed a difficult T206
back to find. I expect that the remaining 13 unaccounted for guys will eventually being discovered.






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Great posts, Ted. Except I don't think everyone in the hobby is completely on board with the Coupons being T206, as they are T213s. Otherwise, thanks for sharing.
And I am very much looking forward to March.....We can argue about this in person! And we will have to see where Danny lands on this issue. Should be fun.
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Here is my favorite T206 Minor League guy, Frank Delehanty, who is not only pictured with a BROAD LEAF 350 (BL 350) back, but my complete A - B - C - D array.






Speaking about the Minor League guys with the BL 350 back, here is their Checklist. (80 subjects). Note that 5 subjects are....Not yet confirmed (Nyc)

Abbott
Adkins
Anderson
Armbruster
Arndt
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beckley
Blackburne
Brain
Brashear ………...(Nyc)
Burchell
Burke
Butler
Carr ………………….(Nyc)
Casey
Cassidy
Chappelle
Clancy
Clark

Clymer
Congalton
Cravath
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dorner
Downs
Dunn (Baltimore)
Flanagan
Freeman
Ganzel
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoffman (Providence)
Jackson

Kelley
Kisinger
Kruger
Lattimore
Lavender
Malarkey
Maloney
McGann …………...(Nyc)
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
Merritt
Milligan
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Providence))
Nattress
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill

Phelan
Pickering ………….(Nyc)
Poland
Quillen
Randall
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly …….……..(Nyc)
Schreck
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Strang
Taylor
Thielmann
White (Buffalo)
Wright
Irv Young


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I would be remiss, if I have not provided a Checklist for the Major League subjects with the BROAD LEAF 350 backs.





110 Major League subjects were printed with the BROAD LEAF 350 back.

Note that 8 subjects are.... Not yet confirmed (Nyc)

Abstein
Arellanes
Atz …………………….….…..…..(Nyc)
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Beck
Becker
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Bliss
Bresnahan (bat
Burns
Bush
Campbell
Carrigan
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap) ……….….(Nyc)
Cobb (portrait- red) ….....(Nyc)

Eddie Collins
Cree
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downey (fielding)
Dubuc
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly ………..…………..…..(Nyc)
Egan
Engle
Evers (yellow sky)
Ferguson …………………….....(Nyc)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Fromme
Gasper
Graham (Boston)

Graham (St Louis)
Hartsel
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jones (Detroit)
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
LaPorte

Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap) …...(Nyc)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McIntyre (Detroit)
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Mitchell (Cinci)
Moran (Chicago)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)

Myers (fielding)
Oakes
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelps
Phillippe
Purtell
Quinn
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Schmidt (portrait) ….……...(Nyc)
Scott
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens ……………..…….…..(Nyc)
Street (portrait)

Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
Willett (bat)
Wilson
Zimmerman


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Ok, since we are not getting any BROAD LEAF 350 responses here, perhaps let's try for the for "rarest of the rare"....how's about showing off your BROAD LEAF 460 cards.


Theoretically, American Lithographic printed 35 subjects with the BROAD LEAF 460 back. As of today, 28 of these T206's are confirmed.

These 7 unconfirmed cards remain.

Ames (hands above head)
Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)


It would be great see one (or 2) these T206's displayed here. Earlier this year Donlin (batting) was discovered. So, there is hope that more (if not all) of these 7 subjects will
eventually be found with BROAD LEAF 460 backs..


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Personally, I like the Uzit's design best. Then EPDG.....then maybe Red Hindu....or Carolina Brights. Everyone has their own faves which is great.
I did a back run years ago and almost completed it before giving up on it.
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Personally, I like the Uzit's design best. Then EPDG.....then maybe Red Hindu....or Carolina Brights. Everyone has their own faves which is great.
I did a back run years ago and almost completed it before giving up on it.

Hi Leon

We think alike......UZIT is my favorite, too.. For two reasons BLUE is my favorite color, and the UZIT cards were printed in the last production runs of the T206's (circa Feb 1911).

This sort of reminds me of collecting 1952 TOPPS Hi # cards (last-printed & short-printed).

I'm curious, which T206 back run did you do ?







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My favorites are the one's I have the least of lol My favorite design is Carolina Brights and my favorite back color is Red Hindu. Since I collect all front/back combinations, technically I collect runs of both. Collecting the Polar Bear back run was the most enjoyable.
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Hi Ron

I agree with you, the Red HINDU back is a rich looking color.

A patriotic display of backs......

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I may have asked you this before.....what 5 subjects do you need to complete your POLAR BEAR run ?



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I may have asked you this before.....what 5 subjects do you need to complete your POLAR BEAR run ?



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Hi Ted, here are the 5 I'm missing. Just waiting for the right prices to come around.

Cobb, Ty (Portrait - Red)
Johnson, Walter (Glove At Chest)
O'Hara, Bill (St. Louis)
Wheat, Zack
Young, Cy (With Glove)
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Hi Ron

As of now, I cannot help you with the POLAR BEAR cards.

What are the two SOVEREIGN 460 cards you need ?
My guess is the red Cobb is one of them.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.


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As of now, I cannot help you with the POLAR BEAR cards.

What are the two SOVEREIGN 460 cards you need ?
My guess is the red Cobb is one of them.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.


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Hi Ted. Yes, the red Cobb and the other is Frank Chance Yellow Portrait. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
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Here’s a Broadleaf 460 for you Ted
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Steven, that would be a great card if it wasn’t so OC
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T206's do not get too much scarcer than this....thanks for posting your Walter Johnson.


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It’s enroute to Moser as we speak so look out for a “fresh to the hobby” PSA 7 Johnson/Broadleaf 460 by spring!

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T206's do not get too much scarcer than this....thanks for posting your Walter Johnson.


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Steven likes showing off his Johnson, but with a Johnson like that, you can’t blame him!

Steven, the problem with turning that into a well-centered 7 is you would double the pop report...

Meanwhile, my favorite backs are Brown Old Mills, and I do collect them.

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Beautiful cards everyone! Ryan, you’re cornering the Brown Old Mill market!
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Old 11-30-2019, 10:52 AM
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Steven likes showing off his Johnson, but with a Johnson like that, you can’t blame him!

Steven, the problem with turning that into a well-centered 7 is you would double the pop report...

Meanwhile, my favorite backs are Brown Old Mills, and I do collect them.


Great stuff , Ryan...… you is the "brown OLD MILL man".

Looking forward to seeing you at the Philly Show next weekend.


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Currently I am going for the AB 460’s. I like the back and the players in the subset as well. If you have any toughies to move, let me know !! I missed a big one this week and am really in need of adding one to my collection.
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:44 AM
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Currently I am going for the AB 460’s. I like the back and the players in the subset as well. If you have any toughies to move, let me know !! I missed a big one this week and am really in need of adding one to my collection.

Hi Adam

Sorry for the long delay in responding to you.

I do not have any extra AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards to offer you now. Most T206 collectors do not appreciate how difficult this run of 74 cards is to complete.

I've been working on this run since 2005. I have 72....I still need Camnitz (arms over head), and Larry Doyle (portrait). The PSA pop report indicates only one
of each of these two are graded. None in the SGC pop report.

If I pick up any new ones, I will certainly contact you.

Incidentally, which AB 460 did you miss out on ?






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Hope your well. Missed out on the McGraw. Definitely a tough one but another will show one day !!
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It fascinates me....the certain printing pattern similarities between the T206 & T205 sets. For example....(1) the 12 subjects in the T205 Minor League group, which is consistent
with my theory that American Lithographic (ALC) printed the T206 and T205 sets with a basic template of 12 cards across a given sheet (19-inch track width printing press).

(2) The AB = BL = CY = DRUM connection (see Posts #856 and #858) in this thread with respect to the T206 version of this printing pattern. And, you can refer to the current
thread on Net54 for the T205 version of this pattern...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=276902. This similarity is not serendipitous, it is by design.


Displayed here is one of my T205 (75%) complete A = B = C = D runs. If anyone on this forum has a spare BROAD LEAF Wolter, please email me....... tedzan11@comcast.net

................. ? ..………………….

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The T205 group of 32 subjects which conform to this A = B = C = D pattern were printed with 8 additional Tobacco backs. I think a total of 12
different backs may be the most printed on any T205 subject. I may be wrong with this observation and I expect you T205 gurus will chime in.
Feel free to correct me.
Check-list of the T205 backs for this group of 32 subjects...………...

AMERICAN BEAUTY (black print)
BROAD LEAF
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (red print)

And, just as in the T206 set, the T205 BROAD LEAF and DRUM and PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards are very tough to find.


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Exactly 14 years ago this month, I broke up my variable-back T206 set (521 cards) to seek the ultimate T206 run of an all - PIEDMONT set.
PIEDMONT Mission accomplished just 11 months later, I then continued on an all - SOVEREIGN set. At the same time, I was also collecting
T206's for an all - SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set.

I completed the SOVEREIGN set (408 cards) in less than a year. The SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set took me 10 years to complete (468
cards) when I finally acquired the Eddie Plank card.

One nice feature which these 3 sets have in common, is you don't have to get the Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis variations). Furthermore, the
Southern Leaguers were not printed with SOVEREIGN or this SWEET CAPORAL backs.

And, here is my favorite T206 card in each of these 3 sets..... WOW ! all three of these cards are graded. Ted has gone over to the "dark side"


PIEDMONT set




SOVEREIGN set





SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set





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Awesome update, Ted.

You set the bar so high.
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Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?
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Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?

Happy New Year, Ryan

Your observation is correct. Especially, with certain PIEDMONT 150 cards. The Green Cobb is one of the best
examples of off-center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. Here is the Cobb in my PIEDMONT set...........

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I have identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which are unique in this Series in that they share a common pattern. They were NOT PRINTED with
these four popular T206 backs....CAROLINA BRIGHTS, El PRINCIPE de GALES, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR. The majority (190 subjects) in the 350-only Series
were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. And, including the CB, EPDG, OM, and PB backs.

Although, this group of 36 subjects is printed with the A - B - C - D backs, unlike the other 350-only Series subjects, these cards will not be found with CB, EPDG,
OM, and PB backs
I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore,
it suggests that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format)….and, this press run was very early in the
game (circa Spring of 1910). I base this on my understanding that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS and POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910.

I'm sharing this information with you guys, who get a big kick out of putting together T206 runs. So you do not have to go off on a wild-goose chase searching for
certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR backs.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.

Note.....
In my rush to post this, I forgot to include in my original post here that the EPDG backs are also No-Prints within this group of 36.
EPDG has been included now.


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Wow Ted. I’m always looking for patterns within the set to help me understand how everything fits together, and this is certainly a neat pattern that you have found. Thank you for sharing! It certainly seems that these 36 were printed, as you said, ‘exclusively’ of the others in the 190 card group.
How does this information fit with the ‘double name’ card of Rossman? Rossman is 350 only but does not belong in the 190 group because he isn’t available with the ABCD backs. However, there is a P350 ‘double name’ card of Rossman with McBride’s name at the top. One would think any double name card involving one of your 36 group would have BOTH players from the 36 grouping.
I hope my wording of all of that is somewhat coherent. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again for sharing the group of 36.

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My research has identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which share this common pattern....they were NOT PRINTED with the normal
CAROLINA BRIGHTS or OLD MILL or POLAR BEAR backs (or any combination there of) like many of the other 350-only subjects were. The majority of
the T206 subjects (190) in the 350-only Series were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. Of which these 36 were also.

I find this quite interesting, in that it indicates that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series.
Furthermore, it indicates to us that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format).

I am sharing this information with you guys, who get a big "kick" out of collecting T206 runs. So, you do not have to go off on a "wild-goose" chase
searching for certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of these 36 subjects which are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR backs.......

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.


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Ted!! Your giving away some of our best secrets.



The T206 set is one of the most fun sets to research!! I'll have to compare this list with the Tolstoi's and their populations compared to others from the main print group.
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Wow Ted. I’m always looking for patterns within the set to help me understand how everything fits together, and this is certainly a neat pattern that you have found. Thank you for sharing! It certainly seems that these 36 were printed, as you said, ‘exclusively’ of the others in the 190 card group.
How does this information fit with the ‘double name’ card of Rossman? Rossman is 350 only but does not belong in the 190 group because he isn’t available with the ABCD backs. However, there is a P350 ‘double name’ card of Rossman with McBride’s name at the top. One would think any double name card involving one of your 36 group would have BOTH players from the 36 grouping.
I hope my wording of all of that is somewhat coherent. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again for sharing the group of 36.

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Hi Sonny

Your wording is perfect.

OK, I'll start with displaying my simulated 48-card sheet of 350 Series T206's. I constructed this sheet years ago to get an idea how American Litho (ALC) printed these cards.
This sheet represents the 48 subjects (Major Leaguers) in the 1910 COUPON set. It is the only realistic source of how ALC printed the T206 cards. In this case, ALC simply took
an early 350 Series pre-printed sheet of cards and printed the COUPON brand on their backs. We have evidence as to the timeline of the COUPON's issue date from Macon (GA)
newspaper clippings (dated Feb 1910).

In the upper left 2 rows of this simulated sheet you will find McBride and Rossman. Rossman retired from MLB in Sept 1909. Therefore, he isn't part of the gang of 190 subjects
printed with the A-B-C-D backs which were introduced by ALC in the Summer of 1910.

Now, the 36 subject sheet, which I am referring to, was printed early in the game (circa Spring of 1910). I base this on my understanding that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS and the
POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910.


1910 COUPON (T213-1) Major League (48) subjects





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Thank you Ted. That makes perfect sense. Rossman was grouped with McBride on a sheet printed early in the 350 only series. Then Rossman was pulled early in the series (hence he is only available with P350, SOV350 and SC 25 and 30 backs). Your group of 36 is a configuration that was printed shortly thereafter. I appreciate the insight.

The more I learn, the more questions I have. Lol.

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Hi Sonny

You have it correct.

Feel free to ask me any questions regarding T206 cards. And, I will try to answer them.


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The T206 set is one of the most fun sets to research!! I'll have to compare this list with the Tolstoi's and their populations compared to others from the main print group.

Ron

I would bet a T206 (or two) that approx. 1/2 of these 36 guys were printed with TOLSTOI backs. American Litho started printing the TOLSTOI brand early in the 350 Series game.

I look forward to your findings.


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I would bet a T206 (or two) that approx. 1/2 of these 36 guys were printed with TOLSTOI backs. American Litho started printing the TOLSTOI brand early in the 350 Series game.

I look forward to your findings.


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Hi Ted, I hoped to find a clean pattern but that doesn't always happen with this set. Initially the Minor League cards jumped out at me so that's were I started. Here's what I have so far. Maybe others will chime in on their thoughts or findings. This is only for the 37 cards mentioned. I split the Minor League cards from the others. There is always the possibility that they all exist with Tolstoi backs but just haven't been found yet. Cards on David Hall's list can't be confirmed 100 percent until that particular card shows up at a Heritage Auction. Danny Hoffman has been confirmed as seen on the next post even though the population report shows zero.

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Here's a scan of a Danny Hoffman Tolstoi shared by Pat R.

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Hi Ron

Great stuff, thanks for posting your TOLSTOI list regarding this group of 36 subjects.
Indeed, ALC printed the TOLSTOI backs very early in the game when they started printing the 350-only Series cards.


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Here are a couple of my low population Tolstoi cards but they are not related to the 36 we were talking about. Only one Willett has been graded between PSA and SGC. The PSA one is in the current Heritage "David Hall" Auction. I had a PSA 4 Zimmerman but traded it for some really great cards but still at times regret it. I guess that's why I don't really trade anymore. I have exactly 100 different Tolstoi's. Hope to add more to my set this year.


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Hey guys,
Getting back to the main topic....my research has identified one more subject to add to this group of T206's in the 350-only Series. It appears to me that Bob Hall
was not printed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, nor POLAR BEAR backs, so we can include in him in this unique club.

Now this 37th subject does not alter the configuration of their printed sheet. Thirty seven subjects were printed on a 36-card sheet by simply replacing a particular
subject (due to a player's retirement during that press run) with another subject. American Lithographic did exactly this with the 37 cards printed with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards. Nichols (who retired) was replaced with Stahl. For more information regarding this, check-out Post #39 in this thread.


New checklist of this "exclusive" group of 37 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hall
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.


TED Z
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Hi Ted, I agree on the Bob Hall. What about these 5 guys? I updated my list with the Bob Hall.

Bobby Byrne
Monte Cross
Mike Mowrey
Bill O'Hara NY
Claude Rossman
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Hey guys,

Getting back to the main topic here....my research has identified one more subject to add to this group of T206's in the 350-only Series. Apparently, Bob Hall was
not printed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, nor POLAR BEAR backs, so we can include in him in this unique club.

Now this 37th subject doesn't alter the configuration of their printed sheet. Thirty seven subjects were printed on a 36-card sheet by simply replacing a particular
guy (due to his MLB retirement or Trade prior to that press run) with another subject. American Litho did exactly this with the 37 subjects printed with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards. Simon Nichols (who retired) was replaced with Jake Stahl on a 36-card sheet. Refer to Post #39 in this thread for more information
regarding this.


New checklist of this "exclusive" group of 37 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

MLB retirement date (or Traded date) in bold letters. Numbers for you to ponder.

Arndt
Becker ……………………………………… April 4, 1910 (traded to NY Giants)
Butler
Cassidy
Charles ….......…………………………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hall
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait) ..….......……………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth) ……………. February 3, 1910 (traded to St Louis NL)
Hunter .......……………………………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest) ………...….. Aug 1909 (Ret.)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr ...................................………. July 16, 1909 (traded to Phillies)
Street (portrait)
Summers
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OK, so WHO replaced WHO ? ?

These T206's were printed circa Spring 1910....so, your guess is as good as mine.


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OK, so WHO replaced WHO ? ?

These T206's were printed circa Spring 1910....so, your guess is as good as mine.


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Player stats and time periods is still my weak area of this set.

Here's a few numbers I found looking at my spreadsheets.

By using the 202 card (350 Only) list,
136 cards with Polar Bear
66 cards without Polar Bear
42 cards without CB, EPDG, OM, PB
20 cards with CB, EPDG, OM but without PB
3 cards with CB, EPDG but without OM, PB
1 card with CB but without EPDG, OM, PB
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COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS
Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28
NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS
Polar Bear 245/250
Sovereign 460 50/52
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34
Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11

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Old 01-12-2020, 07:17 AM
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Hi Ted, I agree on the Bob Hall. What about these 5 guys? I updated my list with the Bob Hall.

Bobby Byrne
Monte Cross
Mike Mowrey
Bill O'Hara NY
Claude Rossman

Hi Ron

Bobby Byrne, Monte Cross, Mike Mowrey, Bill O'Hara NY, and Claude Rossman are part of a group of 23 subjects in the 350-only Series that were NOT printed
with the AB - BL - CY - DR backs.

This "exclusive" group of 37 subjects are part of the 190 subjects which were printed with the AB - BL - CY - DR backs.


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