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Posted By: Mike H
I just purchased this pin. I can't find it in any books, but the seller seems to know pins (non-sport)well and believes it to be vintage. I would like your input regarding history, age, or even value. I took a little gamble believing it to be "good" and listed in an odd location. The first link is the auction I won, the second is from Hunts, and the third is an obvious reproduction. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle pinbacks I always shy away from because there are so many reproductions out there....I have to say that the one you won on ebay looks aged and has a legitimate look to it, but then again it's one of those items that I have no clue if it's a fantasy pin or something that was legitimately produced and distributed during Ruth's career. I wonder if that's also why the Hunt lot went so cheap?? You normally see those Ruth scorers go in the $100-$200 range so the pinback in that lot may have been inconsequential to the winner/underbidders. |
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Posted By: Mike H
Not a waste at all Dan. I agree 100%. I'll email Paul Muchinsky and see if he will reply. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Maybe try Rob Lifson...Not sure if he reads this side of the board, but I know that he sometimes responds to comments and questions on the card side. |
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Posted By: RobertEdwardAuctions
Hi Mike H! I wish I could report better news but this "Sultan of Swat" Ruth pinback is not vintage. It's really just no good. It is what I call a "fantasy pinback," which is a little different than a reproduction, as there is no vintage original. It is not a reproduction, because there is no vintage pinback of this design. This is a pinback design that someone made up from scratch (in some quantity years ago), apparently specifically to sell to collectors as a vintage item. No one knows who made them but they're all over the place, and we frequently find them even in advanced collections. I'm always happy to answer any pinback questions as best I can. Baseball pinbacks have always been a favorite area of collecting for me! |
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Posted By: Mike H
Thank you Robert. I appreciate the information (unfortunate as it may be). |
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Posted By: Mike H
I've contacted the seller with hopes he will be understanding. I havn't sent payment as yet. |
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Posted By: RobertEdwardAuctions
This particular seller is top notch. I'm sure you won't have any problem. Also stay away from the celluloid pencil clips with portraits of Ruth, Cobb, Wagner etc. - they are also all non-vintage "fantasy" items that, like a lot of these not real celluloid items, seem to confuse a lot of collectors after being around for enough years. Some of these fantasy celluloid items that appear to be from the 1930s or older were made as far back as the late 1980s or early 1990s and have some age to them now. |
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Posted By: Mike H
Robert, you were spot on. He was very professional, pulled the auction, and said he would pitch the pin. It's terrific when people do the right thing. |
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Posted By: Al Simeone
Hi Mike, |
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Posted By: Mike H
I do have Smithsonian baseball Al, and have worn out the pages with Robs collection. I just want MORE!!! Ha ha. I would love to see a Baseball Pinback Buttons II. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Pinbacks are one of the great untapped areas of baseball memorabilia collecting....very little literature on the subject exists and there are no websites that I'm aware of that focus on pinbacks. How nice would it be to have a website to go to that would tell us right away which pins are legit, which are fantasy and which are repros? |
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Posted By: Al Simeone
Hi Dan, |
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Posted By: dan bartenbaker
i will be trying to organize a national pinback button show in different regions across the country,so far i have the interest of dr. paul muchinsky and marshall fogel to name a few. but i may need some time to bring it all together,let me know who else out there in pinback land is interested in this venture. dan |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Please have one near the Kansas City/Omaha/Des Moines area!!!! I am not a pinback collector, but there are certain pinbacks that I have an interest in because they fall into my focus of Nebraska baseball and the Western League. |
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Posted By: Mike H
I would be extremely interested in any show from the Chicago to Cleveland area. The pinback sales in Michigan where I live seem to be brisk for dealers displaying at antique shows here. |
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