Star Basketball sets to avoid master list

[Econteachert205]

It’s on my list. Pure shop at home trash. I have scoured YouTube looking for the original tv recording of the sale. No luck. Lots of shop at home don west videos out there but no star vids. If anyone has a lead on that it would be appreciated.

Here he is hawking some later star Jordan crap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKOuM5TwzA

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Did you cover this one? The 86 Crunch N Munch Jordan that was not made in 86?

Look at this on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333739880289

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

We have a ton of Star in our upcoming auction with many keys just graded by Beckett in the last month. They no longer grade ANY "Best of" sets.

[Econteachert205]

Scott, Thank you for the information. Just curious, does that include the very rare best of the old yellow five card set? Those have not been subject to controversy or reprint and should still be good for grading in my opinion.


Looking forward to the auction.

Dennis.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

What Beckett told me was that the company that bought Star's assets in bankruptcy reissued all of the Best cards. They didn't enumerate any exceptions to me, but maybe the person speaking to me didn't have all the information.

We will be selling Best of the old and Best of the new. This collection had nearly every Star Co. Card ever printed and they were collected by the son of a dealer as they came out so fairly impeccable provenance. Also if you're into esoteric basketball, supposedly there's no way to differentiate between 1976 and 1977 Fleer stickers, however again this collection was put together year by year at the time cards and stickers were issued, so while there's no way of "proving" it we have two separate sets of stickers actually labeled with the appropriate year. Just interesting, not incredibly valuable.

[Jewish-collector]

I agree with all of you in the thread, but I just don't like using the term "garbage". I prefer the terms "reprints" or "non-authentic" or "custom" etc,... I collect a lot of reprints of this type as I can't afford the authentic ones.

[Econteachert205]

My calling them that is in reference to the purposeful deception sellers use as well as the original deception with shop at home. Outside of that I have no issues with the cards themselves and will refer to them as reprints, fakes or fantasy issues in The future to more accurately label the cards being discussed.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Is this part of the Jordan subset to avoid raw?

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

It’s on my list. Pure shop at home trash. I have scoured YouTube looking for the original tv recording of the sale. No luck. Lots of shop at home don west videos out there but no star vids. If anyone has a lead on that it would be appreciated.

Here he is hawking some later star Jordan crap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKOuM5TwzA

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333739880289

Dennis,
FYI, this Crunch and Munch Jordan listed is the same picture as the '85 Lite All-Stars. Is it the "Star 86" in the upper right that makes it fake?

[Econteachert205]

Nice catch, yes, so there are two bad crunch n munch sets or at least Jordans. The one featuring Jordan dunking and the right picture set that is marked 86 instead of 85.


Also there are reprint/fake 85 Jordan Crunchnmunch cards being sold. They are typically a darker shade of orange than the originals

[Econteachert205]

Just an update, there seems to be more HSN shop at home star cards on ebay than ever, with major sellers. The bidding is pushing many of these counterfeit/fake cards well into the hundreds of dollars. As Michael Burry's character said in the big short, a hallmark of mania is the rise and complexity of fraud. At any rate this article states that when the FBI raided the 1997 Shop at Home operation, over 100,000 cards were confiscated. One can only imagine how many were released.

https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-x...022-story.html


more info here

https://www.poconorecord.com/article...News/302199996

If there are any lawyers on the forum who can research access to the court records for these licensing lawsuits or can share any documents legally it would be greatly appreciated.

[Exhibitman]

Per the 2nd article:

"The Star basketball trading cards alleged to be counterfeit include the following sets: 1985 Miller All-Star Set, 1985 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Crunch ‘n’ Munch Set and 1991 Michael Jordan Promotional Sets."

I agree; the last few searches I've run for Star cards have been overrun with all sorts of stuff that doesn't quite match with what I know of the issues. At this point I am limiting myself to graded examples unless the seller is known to me. Just too much material that does not match a legitimate description.

So, with much trepidation, I did this:



I buy these SCD red label cards whenever they are available at a substantial discount to PSA or (in the case of Star cards) Beckett. The old version of SCD was very solid; when they sold off and the new company started with the blue labels is when it went to hell. Kind of like buying a GAI silver label [esp. first graded], which were all Mike Baker-graded.

Did I screw up?

[Econteachert205]

While I cannot speak to grade accuracy, the early GAI and SCD cases I have seen are authentic cards.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Per the 2nd article:

"The Star basketball trading cards alleged to be counterfeit include the following sets: 1985 Miller All-Star Set, 1985 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Crunch ‘n’ Munch Set and 1991 Michael Jordan Promotional Sets."

I agree; the last few searches I've run for Star cards have been overrun with all sorts of stuff that doesn't quite match with what I know of the issues. At this point I am limiting myself to graded examples unless the seller is known to me. Just too much material that does not match a legitimate description.

So, with much trepidation, I did this:



I buy these SCD red label cards whenever they are available at a substantial discount to PSA or (in the case of Star cards) Beckett. The old version of SCD was very solid; when they sold off and the new company started with the blue labels is when it went to hell. Kind of like buying a GAI silver label [esp. first graded], which were all Mike Baker-graded.

Did I screw up?

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Per the 2nd article:

"The Star basketball trading cards alleged to be counterfeit include the following sets: 1985 Miller All-Star Set, 1985 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Crunch ‘n’ Munch Set and 1991 Michael Jordan Promotional Sets."

This article lists 1985 Miller Lite All-Stars...Does that mean this needs to be added to the 'avoid' list? 86 is up there already, but not 85.

[Econteachert205]

I think by 85 they meant 85-86 which is most often designated as 86, as opposed to 84-85 lite all stars which is normally designated as 85. I have not seen bad versions of the lite all stars set from 85 except for reprint jordans. The other possibility is that there is a second 85 Miller all stars set but I have not seen it as of yet.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Per the 2nd article:

"The Star basketball trading cards alleged to be counterfeit include the following sets: 1985 Miller All-Star Set, 1985 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Chicago Bulls Arena Set, 1986 Crunch ‘n’ Munch Set and 1991 Michael Jordan Promotional Sets."

I agree; the last few searches I've run for Star cards have been overrun with all sorts of stuff that doesn't quite match with what I know of the issues. At this point I am limiting myself to graded examples unless the seller is known to me. Just too much material that does not match a legitimate description.

So, with much trepidation, I did this:



I buy these SCD red label cards whenever they are available at a substantial discount to PSA or (in the case of Star cards) Beckett. The old version of SCD was very solid; when they sold off and the new company started with the blue labels is when it went to hell. Kind of like buying a GAI silver label [esp. first graded], which were all Mike Baker-graded.

Did I screw up?

100% authentic

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[Exhibitman]

Thanks all. Now that I have it in hand it is most definitely genuine and I am very pleased with it. I sold off my 5 x 7 Slam Dunk Beckett 9 during the bubble. I still think that is maybe the nicest looking Star card of all but too damned big in that dinner plate-sized slab, so I was very pleased to replace it with this as my early Jordan card.