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Posted By: Joann
Where can I look up the minimum size of T206's (or any other card for that matter)? I always see in descriptions that a card is X/Y" short, but short of what? I don't know how much natural variation there was in card size. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Joann, |
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Posted By: Brian
I have several T206 cards in PSA holders that look like the one shown. In fact, this is one reason I prefer SGC and GAI in general--the custom fit prevents cards from sliding around. Over time, there is no doubt in my mind this sliding damages the card. Why PSA continues to do things this way, I haven't a clue. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Somebodys got to be stupid enuff to state the obvious, but in case anyone out there is even more stoopid than me, one resource for the size of cards is any price guide. |
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Posted By: Dylan
Not to hijack but Ive heard that a lot of people think the Harris collection was overgraded by PSA even giving trimmed cards grades without qualifier. Isn't PSA supposed to keep all information pertaining to ownership private and kept from the graders? If they informed the graders that they were grading the "Harris collection" before grading the cards then all of these grades are tainted. I wouldn't touch them. I know it's a rare circumstance when a holder is allowed to be branded with a collectors name but if they allow it the graders should never know of it until the process of grading is finished. Does anyone know if graders are informed when they are grading a "prestegious" collection beforehand? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Joann- there are also many T206 that originate from shoebox collections that were miscut in the factory and unfortunately can not be graded. They have not been tampered with, they are just poorly manufactured cards. |
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Posted By: mvsnyc
barry is correct guys...a lot of the cards were not cut perfectly, old school printing/cutting methods...many of you are forever bashing the grading companies, but the graders do NOT know who's cards they are grading! |
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Posted By: Joann
Thanks guys. I appreciate the input. I guess I still don't quite know the answer to my question - if someone says a card is 1/16" short, does that mean short to the published standard dimensions? If published dimensions are "normal", then I'd expect lots and lots and lots of cards to be "short" because of the inherent manufacturing variation mentioned above. |
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Posted By: Dave
Joann, |
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Posted By: Eric B
The above link with caliper measurements is very interesting. If we go one step further, an standard measurement of the black boder can be done. Then we get a ratio of the card width and length to the border width and length. |
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Posted By: JimB
Dylan, |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Eric B: I have no idea what you mean. I wonder - am I alone in failing to understand this? |
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Posted By: Dave
Eric, |
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Posted By: Eric B
I assume the black border is always the same for all T206's, regardless of the outside cut. If, for example, the width of the inside black border is always 1.20 inches compared to the average card size of 1.40 inches, then we know a T206 should always have roughly a 120 to 140 ratio. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
This is precisely what I thought that you meant, however, I dismissed that understanding because I fail to see how it can be applied to the t206 situation in which the t/b natural variation has been demonstrated to be greater than an eighth of an inch. |
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Posted By: Eric B
According to the above link, only 3 out of 524 were less than 1.42 inches. It seems that any card under 1.42 inches is either trimmed or substandard to be graded at all. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
If you owned those three "substandard" but entirely legitimate cards, and they were important - would you be happy with the determination that they do not fit a mathematical model of the average card, and therefore you are sol? |
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Posted By: Eric B
I'm just saying that this method could be used to measure a card. It does nothing more. But is another piece to a puzzle. And yes, I do think there should be a standard minimum that must be maintained. We consider a badly OC card to be substandard, why not a badly undercut one as well. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Total border area computation is an interesting concept. Id like to see how it works out. |
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Posted By: Joann
lolol Gil - you're right, I asked something like this long long ago on 11/17. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT |
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Posted By: Dave
I tried using the border size to determine the card size. I used Bender, pitching, trees in background as my reference card. I was also using scans done at 2x, 200 dpi, which is about 500 kB per picture (very high resolution). I did this on my computer screen with an engraved steel engineering ruler, so the measurements are good but lucky to be within .02 inches. |
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Posted By: Eric B
I got this pic from wikipedia. |
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