ALERT....Re-fronted (re-backed) Green Cobb with a Red HINDU back at the National

[Abravefan11]

Chris my friend, you've opened a can of worms with that card.

Yes, the red Cobb/red Hindu is a good front back combo unlike the green Cobb/red Hindu. The problem with the card you posted is it's presumed to have come from a known card doctor and many people suspect that it has been altered, however few of these people have actually viewed the card in person. So though their concerns are valid they have no real evidence this card is no good. It has been authenticated by PSA, but other impossible front/back cards have passed the TPG's in the past so it's not a stretch to think that a rebacked or refronted card is in a holder. My hope is that another red Cobb/red Hindu will surface and make this example moot.

[teetwoohsix]

Hi Tim-

Is it presumed that the Red Cobb/ Red Hindu came from a card doctor, or is it a known fact ? Just wondering....not sure of the details behind the card, but damn- it looks "too good" to be re-backed (or should I say re-fronted ).

The fact that the TPG graded it adds a little to the mystery........if it's a Frankenstien it's a damn good one

I also would love to see another come around to squash the doubt, seeing that it is a possible F/B combo.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Is it presumed that the Red Cobb/ Red Hindu came from a card doctor, or is it a known fact ?

What I stated in my earlier post was that I have been told that the card came from a known card doctor. Meaning it was created and then made it's way into the hobby. Who submitted it to PSA or consigned it to REA? I don't know and mean in no way to imply they were the person accused of doctoring the card.

Objectively looking at the T206 set, the printing process and how the subsets were produced show the red Cobb/red Hindu to be a possible back. Other red Hindu subjects have yet to surface that I believe will eventually as well. For reasons I won't get into now there is a small subset of red Hindu subjects that are very scarce in relation to other subjects with the same back and Cobb is in this group.

I'm with Leon and side with the posted example being good. I won't condemn it on hearsay and will gladly change my opinion when someone produces something tangible to prove it isn't good.

And as I've said many times before I don't care how many T206's someone has seen, held, or claimed to have collected, they haven't seen them all. There are many more new examples to come.

All the best.

[tedzan]

The red Cobb exists with the BROAD LEAF 460; and, according to my theory presented in this thread......

"Near final confirmation of the BROAD LEAF 460 & Red HINDU matched "twins"

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...+460+red+hindu

....the red Cobb should have been printed with a red HINDU back. However, I'd venture to say that the red Cobb is a rule breaker in this
case.
Therefore, I would not put any stock in ever finding a legitimate red Cobb with a red HINDU back.

Finally, there are many of us long-time T206 collectors/dealers in this hobby. Guys like Bill Heitman, Irv Lerner, Don Flewelling, Tom Faith,
Mark Macrae (and many more) who between us have seen 100's of 1000's of T206 cards in the past 40 years. Never has any of us seen
any of the four T206 Cobb's with either a brown or red HINDU back. Why Cobb was not inserted in HINDU cigarette packs remains a very
strange mystery.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Why Cobb was not inserted in HINDU cigarette packs remains a very strange mystery.

TED Z

It's not a mystery at all. You just don't understand the set well enough to make sense out of it.

[tiger8mush]

the scary part is that the green cobb / red hindu fake was so good that it took a lot of scrutiny for it to get rejected.

Is the same amount of time being put in by the TPGs when they look at lower-value submissions, like a low-grade T206 of Matty or WJ with a common back that sells for a few hundred bucks?

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Tim for the response.

And I tend to think the Red Cobb/Red Hindu is legit. It's just my opinion, nothing more.

Sincerely, Clayton

[teetwoohsix]

POST SCRIPT....in the past year I have been privy to certain inside info regarding this red HINDU red Cobb card which further reinforces my skepticism of it.


TED Z (quote, post#10)

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