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Old 05-11-2022, 08:00 AM
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Default 1967 Topps 6th Series

So, when I began to work on a 1967 set earlier this year, I knew the 7th series was going to kick my butt (and my wallet), but the 6th series?

I get that cards generally get increasingly harder to find as you move up series to series, culminating in the high series.

But, looking on line so many 6th series commons (not exactly in MT condition, either) are priced more than many 7th series common DPs.

What's odd is that the stars (Palmer, Marichal, Killebrew etc) don't seem to carry proportionate premiums...in other words if commons are often listed between 10-20, the stars can be had for 30-50 in nice shape. With the pricing on the commons, I would have expected the stars to be around 80-100, especially a 2nd year Palmer.

So the question I have is this - is this just more silliness in this season of vintage silliness, or does the 6th series carry genuine production/distribution/scarcity issues like the 7th?
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:10 AM
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Off memory, series 6 is 458-533. Adding the checklist DP, 77 cards, 7 unique rows. So there should be SP'd rows to fit the Topps sheet size. Tony Perez and Tony Perez alone used to be listed in the Standard Catalogs (mine is the Vintage only, 5th edition) as a SP; he may or may not be but he is obviously not the only one; unless a card was pulled from production there should always be at least 10 others just as tough.

Tolan and Helms seem to be more popular than I had expected in set building. I too found the HOF's in this series pretty easy and cheap. McCovey, Palmer, Killebrew, Marichal, all were pretty easy.
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:21 AM
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I would imagine the 6th series is tougher than the 1st, but I know of no accepted explanation of it being anywhere on par with the difficulty of the 7th series.

What bugs me is sellers who don't know the numbers and just generally list cards with 500 or up on the back as a "high number." Uh, no, high numbers start at #534.
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Old 05-11-2022, 01:49 PM
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I assume there are no known images of 6th series sheets out there? I checked my small but growing uncut sheet folder and I have sample images from 1-5 and 7 (some grabbed from these boards).
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Old 05-11-2022, 01:51 PM
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I checked my archive and do not have an image of the sheet either. Not that that means much
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Old 05-11-2022, 09:05 PM
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I'm telling ya Mark, just take a deep breath and go on and buy that Shaw.

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Old 05-13-2022, 07:32 AM
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I assume there are no known images of 6th series sheets out there? I checked my small but growing uncut sheet folder and I have sample images from 1-5 and 7 (some grabbed from these boards).
I collect sheets but have not seen a 6th series sheet
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Old 05-13-2022, 11:23 AM
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Nothing to add to the discussion on 6th series pricing, but here's a card I sold a few months ago.

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Old 05-13-2022, 12:08 PM
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There are two series sheets from the 60’s that Kevvyg1026 and I can’t even commence to reconstruct, 1966 Topps 6th Series and 1967 Topps 6th Series because of the lack of partial sheets, wrong backs, and miscuts. 1966 Topps 4th Series, 1969 Topps 3rd Series, and 1969 Topps 7th Series aren’t far behind.
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Old 03-18-2023, 10:32 AM
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This was an interesting thread to read through. Pretty amazing how y’all put this sheet together. As a relative newbie I came away with a couple of questions. One, are the “tough high numbers” just the last series printed? Or can it include the last few series? Two, what makes the high numbers/last series more scarce? Three, how does a cards position in a sheet impact its scarcity or conditional rarity? Thank you.


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Old 03-18-2023, 10:46 AM
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This was an interesting thread to read through. Pretty amazing how y’all put this sheet together. As a relative newbie I came away with a couple of questions. One, are the “tough high numbers” just the last series printed? Or can it include the last few series? Two, what makes the high numbers/last series more scarce? Three, how does a cards position in a sheet impact its scarcity or conditional rarity? Thank you.


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1. Yes, just the last series of a set. 2. There are some cases where a lower series in a certain year is scarcer or just as scarce as the high series, 1957 and 1963 are two that I can think of. 3. Topps would release fewer baseball cards in the fall because kids were switching over to football, basketball, and hockey cards. 4. I'm no expert on that but I have heard others say that edge cards and especially corner cards were more susceptible to damage during the sheet cutting process.
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Old 03-18-2023, 11:42 AM
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Thanks to Al (batsballsbases) I believe everything is 100% confirmed now on the 1967 6th Series sheet other than possibly Tommy Helms, John Stephenson, Tommie Reynolds, and Senators Rookie Stars. The miscuts of Tolan to the left of the Marichal Checklist, Horton as a right edge card, Felipe Alou to the left of the Dodgers Team card, Killebrew to the left of Gabrielson, Lee Thomas above Felipe Alou, Indians Rookie Stars to the left of Ribant, Ribant as a right edge card, Hunt to the left of Lee Thomas have all confirmed the rest of the sheet being 100% correct. The Bird Bombers, Mantilla, and Bell rows are the 4x rows, the Miller, Perez, Brooks Robinson Checklist, and Pirates Rookie Stars rows are 3x, so that means all of the known checklists and the eBay sellers that have Tony Perez as a SP are correct but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of them.
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Old 03-18-2023, 12:37 PM
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Great day for discoveries!

General question - is/was there ever any rhyme or reason to card placement on sheets? For example, have we ever seen where 2 team cards or two multi-player rookies were directly adjacent in the same row?

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Old 03-18-2023, 02:26 PM
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Great day for discoveries!

General question - is/was there ever any rhyme or reason to card placement on sheets? For example, have we ever seen where 2 team cards or two multi-player rookies were directly adjacent in the same row?
After looking at and working on all of these 60’s Topps sheets I did notice Topps tried to avoid putting two manager cards, two multi rookie cards, two team cards, etc., side by side, that is why I figured the 67 Pirates Team card wasn’t beside the Giants Team card or the Braves Team card when I was down to three remaining slots on the 6th Series and had to be next to Bobby Wine, which turned out to be the case.
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Old 03-18-2023, 06:07 PM
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Thanks to Al (batsballsbases) I believe everything is 100% confirmed now on the 1967 6th Series sheet other than possibly Tommy Helms, John Stephenson, Tommie Reynolds, and Senators Rookie Stars. The miscuts of Tolan to the left of the Marichal Checklist, Horton as a right edge card, Felipe Alou to the left of the Dodgers Team card, Killebrew to the left of Gabrielson, Lee Thomas above Felipe Alou, Indians Rookie Stars to the left of Ribant, Ribant as a right edge card, Hunt to the left of Lee Thomas have all confirmed the rest of the sheet being 100% correct. The Bird Bombers, Mantilla, and Bell rows are the 4x rows, the Miller, Perez, Brooks Robinson Checklist, and Pirates Rookie Stars rows are 3x, so that means all of the known checklists and the eBay sellers that have Tony Perez as a SP are correct but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of them.
Glad to help Cliff I know you worked hard on this sheet so at least I believe you can say the 6th series is done... HooRay.....
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Cliff now looking at my 531 chechlist that I posted up I believe that would be Tony Perez that is at the bottom of that checklist..... See if you agree...
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Old 03-18-2023, 02:53 PM
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1. Yes, just the last series of a set. 2. There are some cases where a lower series in a certain year is scarcer or just as scarce as the high series, 1957 and 1963 are two that I can think of. 3. Topps would release fewer baseball cards in the fall because kids were switching over to football, basketball, and hockey cards. 4. I'm no expert on that but I have heard others say that edge cards and especially corner cards were more susceptible to damage during the sheet cutting process.

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Old 03-18-2023, 03:21 PM
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More confirmation for work already done/surmised - additional confirmation of Burgess in the #2 slot - this version is on eBay. The 3 visible white/bright elements along the bottom line up perfectly with counterparts on Doug Clemens' card.
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Old 03-18-2023, 04:51 PM
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A few counyer examples:
a, The 1966 high number sheet has two sets of two rookie cards side-by-side as well as another pair vertiocally connected.

b. The 1965 high series has a pair of rookie cards vertically attached, plus a few manager/rookie stars cards vertically.

c. In 1964, series 1, there is a vertical set of 3 that has a team/special/team.
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