What is the RAREST Pre War COMPLETE PSA graded set??

[steve B]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Interesting about non sport sets, but since this is a Pre War BASEBALL CARD forum, I am asking about a baseball set.

So eliminating all the "baseball sets" that are actually part of a multi sport set?

T3/T9
T227
T332
Most N sets
W551

And many more.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by steve B

So eliminating all the "baseball sets" that are actually part of a multi sport set?

T3/T9
T227
T332
Most N sets
W551

And many more.

Let's limit it to "just" the 27,846 Company sets listed in the PSA Registry under Baseball.

[terjung]

If the intent is to gage true rarity, then PSA is probably not the best measure for pre-war. Regardless of PSA v. SGC v. raw, a nod has to be given first to sets like Allegheny and Alpha Engraving, which have been complete at some time in the past.

As for other sets more in the spirit, I'd think Jim B's N167 set probably tops your parameters (but I don't recall who it was graded by).

The T215 Pirate set was a near-set as memory serves when it was purchased. I'm not sure whether or not it was ever completed, but its rarity fits the direction you are heading.

E107 has been completed relatively recently for the first time, but again... not sure on the grader. That also would be right up there on the list.

I suspect that there isn't a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram of those who play the PSA registry game and those who seek pre-war, true scarcity.

[darwinbulldog]

T215 Pirate

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

T215 Pirate

Glenn:

If I am correct there are 96 cards in the T215 set. Looking at the PSA registry I find no complete set listed. Checking out the POP report I see a total of 11 cards have been graded by PSA.

Thus there is no way the T215 set fits this conversation since there is no complete set and there can not be as long as only 11 cards out of 96 have been graded.

[Casey2296]

I'll throw out the 1910 PC796, although one member here has a complete set it's not registered at PSA. PSA has 43 graded with 9 cards being only one graded. There are more graded at SGC but that starts to get down the rabbit hole.

[BobC]

Fred,

It is an interesting question, and one I see you asked on the Post-War side as well, and got virtually the ultimate answer on (1954 Blossom Dairy Charleston Senators), given your parameters. As others have pointed out though, your question does ignore cards graded by other TPGs, and has no way to take into consideration the number of raw cards that may be out there.

Plus, I think you may be ignoring a fundamental difference between Pre- and Post-War baseball card collectors. In all my years in the hobby I've noted that Pre-War collectors tend to not be as caught up in PSA's registry as their Post-War counterparts. Plus, the Pre-War crowd may not always be as concerned with set collecting, given the extreme rarity and difficulty in finding many cards and sets from the Pre-War era. Also, Pre-War collectors tend to be more of a true collector nature, and often prefer raw ungraded, cards. An additional issue in limiting your question to just PSA graded items is that PSA doesn't grade every recognized Pre-War issue out there (1928 Fro-joys, S74 silks), or they haven't been grading them continuously or for as long as the other TPGs (M101-2 Sporting News Supplements).

I think when it comes to Pre-War items and determining rarity, you are better off going to the PSA, SGC, and Becket sites (and I guess now add CSG to that mix as well) and simply seeing how many graded examples are being shown, in combined total, that are out there. You can then ask around if there are any known complete sets, just not necessarily all graded, or at least not all graded by just one TPG. When it comes to old, rarer cards, I'd be less likely to want to break out cards from one TPG's slabs so as to have them re-graded and slabbed by another TPG, simply to have the entire set graded by just one TPG. The potential for accidental damage to a card, or the potential for downgrading of it due to the perceived tougher grading standards of today, would leave me inclined to leave Pre-War cards as I found them.

Oh, and the cost and time factor of getting everything graded by PSA may be another deterrent, especially over the last couple of years.

Still a very intriguing question though.

[Pat R]

Fred, I'm not sure but I think something like this is what you're looking for.
I'm not sure how rare they are maybe most people just don't get them graded.

6 cards in the set only 9 total graded by PSA one complete set and the other set has two of the 3 remaining graded cards in it.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...-comics/153905

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...-h804-16/16749

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by BobC

Fred,

It is an interesting question, and one I see you asked on the Post-War side as well, and got virtually the ultimate answer on (1954 Blossom Dairy Charleston Senators), given your parameters. As others have pointed out though, your question does ignore cards graded by other TPGs, and has no way to take into consideration the number of raw cards that may be out there.

Plus, I think you may be ignoring a fundamental difference between Pre- and Post-War baseball card collectors. In all my years in the hobby I've noted that Pre-War collectors tend to not be as caught up in PSA's registry as their Post-War counterparts. Plus, the Pre-War crowd may not always be as concerned with set collecting, given the extreme rarity and difficulty in finding many cards and sets from the Pre-War era. Also, Pre-War collectors tend to be more of a true collector nature, and often prefer raw ungraded, cards. An additional issue in limiting your question to just PSA graded items is that PSA doesn't grade every recognized Pre-War issue out there (1928 Fro-joys, S74 silks), or they haven't been grading them continuously or for as long as the other TPGs (M101-2 Sporting News Supplements).

I think when it comes to Pre-War items and determining rarity, you are better off going to the PSA, SGC, and Becket sites (and I guess now add CSG to that mix as well) and simply seeing how many graded examples are being shown, in combined total, that are out there. You can then ask around if there are any known complete sets, just not necessarily all graded, or at least not all graded by just one TPG. When it comes to old, rarer cards, I'd be less likely to want to break out cards from one TPG's slabs so as to have them re-graded and slabbed by another TPG, simply to have the entire set graded by just one TPG. The potential for accidental damage to a card, or the potential for downgrading of it due to the perceived tougher grading standards of today, would leave me inclined to leave Pre-War cards as I found them.

Oh, and the cost and time factor of getting everything graded by PSA may be another deterrent, especially over the last couple of years.

Still a very intriguing question though.

Bob:

The funny thing is I agree with all you say. And I am now a post war collector with all the characteristics you describe for Pre War collectors.

This has gotten more out of hand than I expected. I figured using only PSA for reference would make it easier. Adding other TPG's will only confuse the situation more.

Wonder if we will find a complete set on the registry in either Pre or Post war sets with NO other cards in the POP report? That would be the ultimate.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by terjung

If the intent is to gage true rarity, then PSA is probably not the best measure for pre-war. Regardless of PSA v. SGC v. raw, a nod has to be given first to sets like Allegheny and Alpha Engraving, which have been complete at some time in the past.

As for other sets more in the spirit, I'd think Jim B's N167 set probably tops your parameters (but I don't recall who it was graded by).

The T215 Pirate set was a near-set as memory serves when it was purchased. I'm not sure whether or not it was ever completed, but its rarity fits the direction you are heading.

E107 has been completed relatively recently for the first time, but again... not sure on the grader. That also would be right up there on the list.

I suspect that there isn't a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram of those who play the PSA registry game and those who seek pre-war, true scarcity.

I am only using the PSA registry because that is the only way ( that I know of) to know what other cards in any said set are out there. If you know a better way PLMK

I submitted the same question in the Post War forum. Howard came up with a set called 1954 Blossom Dairy Charleston Senators A "quiet" member of this board has a complete set of all 22 cards. Looking at the POP report there are 23 cards graded. Thus beside his set there is only 1 other card from the set that has been graded. I would call that a truly rare set. The only thing that could top that is if someone has a complete set of something with no other cards from the set that has been graded.

My thought process for asking this question is I am thinking of submitting my 1959 Dad's Cookies complete set of 64 cards to PSA and wondered how many other cards from the set have been graded. I found that only 28 were. Pretty rare, but nothing like the Blossom Dairy set mentioned above.

I know there are other Dad's Cookie cards out there, but there is no way as I said previously that I can find out exactly how many. Saying that, I truly believe there is no other complete set, but who really knows!!??

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by terjung

If the intent is to gage true rarity, then PSA is probably not the best measure for pre-war. Regardless of PSA v. SGC v. raw, a nod has to be given first to sets like Allegheny and Alpha Engraving, which have been complete at some time in the past.

As for other sets more in the spirit, I'd think Jim B's N167 set probably tops your parameters (but I don't recall who it was graded by).

The T215 Pirate set was a near-set as memory serves when it was purchased. I'm not sure whether or not it was ever completed, but its rarity fits the direction you are heading.

E107 has been completed relatively recently for the first time, but again... not sure on the grader. That also would be right up there on the list.

I suspect that there isn't a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram of those who play the PSA registry game and those who seek pre-war, true scarcity.

Brian:

If I am correct there are 147 cards in the E107 Type 1 set and 8 in the Type 2 set. I see no complete set for either listed on the PSA Registry.

The POP report shows only 6 different for the Type 2 set and a total of 130 of ALL cards not just different cards for the Type 1's, so neither could exist as a complete set.

[sb1]

Believe it or not, there are A Lot of cards and sets NOT in PSA holders. Many collectors are still largely SGC and still others are completely raw. And, I am talking about major collectors. Especially Exhibits and other PC issues. The third largest E107 collection currently assembled is still raw to this day.

[Rhotchkiss]

I am not sure if any are the rarest, but I have 4 complete rare sets:

T206 524 (I know of one other)
E107 (I have the sole known - it contains all known but perhaps unconfirmed things pop up in time)
1906 Lincoln Publishing (not sure if others exist)
E104-2 (not sure if others exist)

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am not sure if any are the rarest, but I have 4 complete rare sets:

T206 524 (I know of one other)
E107 (I have the sole known - it contains all known but perhaps unconfirmed things pop up in time)
1906 Lincoln Publishing (not sure if others exist)
E104-2 (not sure if others exist)

ALL incredibly SUPER rare complete sets. I owned a complete set of T206 as well, but in the 70's LONG before anyone thought up TPG's thank heavens!

But for this exercise the complete sets have to be on the PSA registry and by default the PSA POP report.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by sb1

Believe it or not, there are A Lot of cards and sets NOT in PSA holders. Many collectors are still largely SGC and still others are completely raw. And, I am talking about major collectors. Especially Exhibits and other PC issues. The third largest E107 collection currently assembled is still raw to this day.

No doubt. And I resemble that description. I have many complete sets that I have not submitted for grading. However for my exact question I need there to be a graded complete set and then to see how many other cards from that set were graded after deducting the cards from the complete set.

[Rhotchkiss]

I just read the whole thread- so you are asking only about psa graded cards and psa registry sets. Well, the good news is that psa publicly publishes their registry and their pop reports, so I think the answer to your query is readily available if you are willing to do the work.

I have not done the work, so I am sorry, I cannot help

Regarding T215 pirate- great F-ing set! I believe the most complete is one card short. I used to have two t215 pirates, which I think was the second most complete set ��. Tuff tuff set and my guess is the one that must clearly fits the OP’s query

The e107 set was graded by SGC