Grading question

[Bwarren92989]

Submitted some cards to beckett and they sent me the results and two cards say final grade is 0. Does that mean they didnt grade it or is that an authentic grade? Im pretty upset

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[pokerplyr80]

I would call them and ask, but that sounds like the cards did not receive a grade. Perhaps because they were altered and you did not check a box that says you wanted the cards slabbed as authentic but altered.

[Bwarren92989]

Wasnt given an option to do that on beckett. I wrote a note saying I wanted one card slabbed no matter what because of the condition was terrible. It says 6 out of 6 cards graded

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[Bwarren92989]

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[Cozumeleno]

Not sure how Beckett grading works but if SGC (and I presume, PSA) believes a card has been too altered, it will not encapsulate it. Something where a card was restored or along those lines, I believe.

[slinger23]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Not sure how Beckett grading works but if SGC (and I presume, PSA) believes a card has been too altered, it will not encapsulate it. Something where a card was restored or along those lines, I believe.

BVG does encapsulate altered cards. I am guessing either the selection was not marked or maybe it defaults to a "0" grade. Keep us posted.

[glchen]

For Beckett, 0 could mean the card was graded Authentic and holdered or it could mean they did not holder the card. Since Beckett has a nice insert in their holders, they will usually holder cards even in horrible condition. The card would need to be in a truly miserable state for them not to holder the card. Or the card is in a condition where they could not distinguish what set the card belongs to. For example the card is skinned, and multiple sets have the same front. Beckett will also not holder if the card is not documented in a guide. My guess is that your card is holdered Authentic.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by slinger23

BVG does encapsulate altered cards. I am guessing either the selection was not marked or maybe it defaults to a "0" grade. Keep us posted.

Correct - but I think that SGC will not encapsulate a card they consider to be too altered. They will holder things like trimmed cards, etc., but from what I understand, they will pass on cards with a significant amount of restoration. Same goes if a card is too damaged and they fear that it might not survive the encapsulation process. I wonder if Beckett may have the same policy.

There were a couple of N28 cards I was looking at from an AH recently. They came back from SGC marked as authentic but they would not encapsulate them. I contacted the AH and asked them to clarify that they would not holder them even if asked for Authentic and they said that was the case.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Correct - but I think that SGC will not encapsulate a card they consider to be too altered. They will holder things like trimmed cards, etc., but from what I understand, they will pass on cards with a significant amount of restoration. Same goes if a card is too damaged and they fear that it might not survive the encapsulation process. I wonder if Beckett may have the same policy.

There were a couple of N28 cards I was looking at from an AH recently. They came back from SGC marked as authentic but they would not encapsulate them. I contacted the AH and asked them to clarify that they would not holder them even if asked for Authentic and they said that was the case.

I did not know this. I have a sub right now at SGC and there is a box on the form , to check if the card is altered in any way, but you still want it slab as a "A". I checked the box.

I always thought A was authentic, but altered. But they would slab it as such.

[Bwarren92989]

Thanks everyone. See my cobb is very bad. But its still one piece and they told me they would encapsulate anything regardless of condition. The Mathewson is where im confused. No evidence of alters and it does not look like a fake by any means. My email says this no that no service available but they all have a graded serial number on my beckett online



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[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

haven't seen too many people use BVG for older/vintage stuff. I always thought they were more proficient at new cards

[nsaddict]

Brett,
Could you post scans of the cards?

[iwantitiwinit]

As suggested why not simply call them and solve the mystery/misery? Good luck.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

As suggested why not simply call them and solve the mystery/misery? Good luck.

Isn't it more fun to phone a friend?

[Bwarren92989]

Originally Posted by nsaddict

Brett,
Could you post scans of the cards?

Dont currently have any until I get them back.

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[glchen]

I think Service Unavailable is a bad sign. Whenever I received that as the final grade, my item was not holdered by Beckett. The cert # on these items don't mean anything. PSA also assigns a number to the cards they didn't holder.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

haven't seen too many people use BVG for older/vintage stuff. I always thought they were more proficient at new cards

im surprised anyone uses Beckett unless they don't care about the resale value or just love the holder

[Bwarren92989]

I wont be doing business with them anymore. They basically robbed me money wise with the trickery promotions that were actually no cheaper. I will call them and ask why those werent graded because the Mathewson was easily a 3 grade unless it is somehow fake. The berra is also way nicer than a 3 unless something was flawed that I could not see. And it ticks me off the cobb was not graded after I called them and they gaurenteed its grading regardless of condition. SGC could not slab due to condition but did not question the authenticity. That is why i asked beckett before I sent it. But now I lose out on $ and somehow have to allocate that to the costs I previously had for purchasing the cards. Vent over. Sorry

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[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by Bwarren92989

And it ticks me off the cobb was not graded after I called them and they gaurenteed its grading regardless of condition. SGC could not slab due to condition but did not question the authenticity. That is why i asked beckett before I sent it.

If you have this in writing, I would surely call them on it for a refund. If not but you can remember who you spoke to there or can point to the time and day you called, I'd mention that as well. Heck, even if you can't remember any of that, I would still tell them. I can't imagine any smart company wanting to lose future business on like a $15 transaction or whatever it was to grade that card. They may not necessarily believe you but still might offer a refund just to avoid an unhappy customer.

Good luck -

[Leon]

If you have some details and Beckett told you they would grade a card and they didn't and charged you anyway, shoot me a PM. I know a few folks over there and might be able to help. Now, if they look at it, deem it un-slabbable and didn't say anything beforehand, then a charge is fine. But if they told you they would slab it, you sent it in and they didn't......that is something I can possibly work with to help you. I can't promise but I promise I will try if you want....Personally, I think BVG grades very well.

Originally Posted by Bwarren92989

I wont be doing business with them anymore. They basically robbed me money wise with the trickery promotions that were actually no cheaper. I will call them and ask why those werent graded because the Mathewson was easily a 3 grade unless it is somehow fake. The berra is also way nicer than a 3 unless something was flawed that I could not see. And it ticks me off the cobb was not graded after I called them and they gaurenteed its grading regardless of condition. SGC could not slab due to condition but did not question the authenticity. That is why i asked beckett before I sent it. But now I lose out on $ and somehow have to allocate that to the costs I previously had for purchasing the cards. Vent over. Sorry

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