Crazy uncles

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by LOUCARDFAN

Dave,

So sorry to read about the horrid details of the mess this guy caused. You are a much better person than me because I would have tracked him down and lets just say, worked out things a much different way.

A few years ago I would have done that exactly.....have too much to lose now (not to say the thought didn't cross my mind though !!!)

[buymycards]

He was on Net54 yesterday at 5:40 PM. I can guess which thread he was reading. So, he appears to be following along every couple of days.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by buymycards

He was on Net54 yesterday at 5:40 PM. I can guess which thread he was reading. So, he appears to be following along every couple of days.

And yet for two weeks he doesn't have the desire to reply to these comments!!! I know if someone were telling lies about me I'd be on here in two seconds to set the record straight. Can one assume that the lack of response means he has no defense for his actions ???

Give some kind of comeback: something like......I told you I wouldn't be able to put reserves on all or in fact any of your items (which wouldn't be true), or I called you to coordinate the exact day/time/location we would be carefully returning your items (which also didn't happen), or you gave me permission to break apart your coin sets so I did (which, you can guess didn't occur either).

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by CJDave

And yet for two weeks he doesn't have the desire to reply to these comments!!! I know if someone were telling lies about me I'd be on here in two seconds to set the record straight. Can one assume that the lack of response means he has no defense for his actions ???

Give some kind of comeback: something like......I told you I wouldn't be able to put reserves on all or in fact any of your items (which wouldn't be true), or I called you to coordinate the exact day/time/location we would be carefully returning your items (which also didn't happen), or you gave me permission to break apart your coin sets so I did (which, you can guess didn't occur either).

Sometimes it is wiser to not speak and let people wonder how stupid (fill in whatever appropriate adjective(s) fit) you are than to open your mouth and prove it!

Under the presumption that your side of it is even mostly objectively accurate - what could he possibly come here to say to help his position?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Sometimes it is wiser to not speak and let people wonder how stupid (fill in whatever appropriate adjective(s) fit) you are than to open your mouth and prove it!

Under the presumption that your side of it is even mostly objectively accurate - what could he possibly come here to say to help his position?

Truer words were never spoken !!!!

[jpittman765]

All,
I have followed the Crazy Uncle Auction discussions with interest as my first auction experience was bidding on three t206 cards at this recent auction. Following the discussion thread, I have learned much about the auction process. And as others have expressed, I am very sorry about the harm done to Dave with his fabulous collection and the problems presented.
My personal experience at the lower tier was different. After winning three cards, there were initial invoice problems. However, today I received two of my cards, expertly packaged. The third card is in transit. My communications with Aaron have been good. He has delivered as promised. I am happy with the cards I acquired.
My comments are not meant to minimize any of the previously presented issues. I just wanted to mention my generally positive experience. Jeff


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[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by jpittman765

All,
After winning three cards, there were initial invoice problems. However, today I received two of my cards, expertly packaged. The third card is in transit

They weren't all shipped together? I haven't heard of this before. Did you get two separate tracking numbers for one invoice? Are they coming from different locations?

Thanks!

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

They weren't all shipped together? I haven't heard of this before. Did you get two separate tracking numbers for one invoice? Are they coming from different locations?

Thanks!

I win! I got 3 tracking numbers from two different towns 2 hours aways and all are currently in transit. I'm not worried, but I am curious as to this methodology.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Are they coming from different locations?

I believe someone implied in another thread that he was most likely selling things he did not have physical possession of, yes.

[sb1]

And the people that run legit auctions, just shake their head....this could have been a win/win for consignor and auction house. Yet it turned out to be a disaster for most involved.

If you would like your consignments to be treated professionally, listed as requested and paid promptly just email or call...it's really that easy.

Scott

Brockelman Auctions

www.brockelmanauctions.com

817-688-9499

[swarmee]

Sure does increase overhead/expenses/timeline to do it that way. Maybe he's realized how much quicksand he's in and has hired a lawyer who is directing him to complete as many transactions as possible before those people cancel their accounts and their bids.

[Flintboy]

Originally Posted by conor912

I believe someone implied in another thread that he was most likely selling things he did not have physical possession of, yes.

What could possibly go wrong??????

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by sb1

And the people that run legit auctions, just shake their head....this could have been a win/win for consignor and auction house. Yet it turned out to be a disaster for most involved.

If you would like your consignments to be treated professionally, listed as requested and paid promptly just email or call...it's really that easy.

Scott

Brockelman Auctions

www.brockelmanauctions.com

817-688-9499

Amen. When in doubt trust guys named Scott

[jpittman765]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

They weren't all shipped together? I haven't heard of this before. Did you get two separate tracking numbers for one invoice? Are they coming from different locations?

Thanks!

I did receive two separate tracking numbers. I believe my three winning bids involved two different physical locations for the cards. When I first talked to Aaron, I believe he said, with COVID 19 shipping issues, he was shipping from multiple locations. I could be wrong on my recollection. Shipping anything today, especially through USPS, is an interesting endeavor.


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[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by conor912

I believe someone implied in another thread that he was most likely selling things he did not have physical possession of, yes.

Pretty sure this is how American Memorabilia worked for many years. Still?? Are they still around?

[scgaynor]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Amen. When in doubt trust guys named Scott

I agree!

Scott Gaynor

[sportscomicfantasy]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Amen. When in doubt trust guys named Scott

I have bought stuff from Brocklemans Auctions, I guess I need to give Aqarian a try too.

But I wouldn't trust any of you Scott's around a girl if I had one!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

LOL This Scott is happily married.

[sflayank]

I WON 5 LOTS ENDED WITH 5 TRACKING #S
after calling 10 x got down to 2 tracking #s from 2 locations
1st box finally arrived just now with nothing in it but the free psa book theyre giving out
NO ITEMS NO ITEMS NO ITEMS
ANYONE HAVE HIS PERSONAL #
This is what he sent me

[x2drich2000]

I received my package yesterday. While I really didn't like my experience and have no plans to bid any future auctions with them, I will give credit where credit is due. I thought the packaging was pretty good, each lot was in its own bag, 3 lots per bubble mailer, and bubble mailers were put into a large box with contractor paper type packaging. Looked sturdy, felt sturdy, and everything arrived in good order.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by sflayank

I WON 5 LOTS ENDED WITH 5 TRACKING #S
after calling 10 x got down to 2 tracking #s from 2 locations
1st box finally arrived just now with nothing in it but the free psa book theyre giving out
NO ITEMS NO ITEMS NO ITEMS
ANYONE HAVE HIS PERSONAL #
This is what he sent me

..Please tell us you're kidding.....

..

[sflayank]

Not kidding

[sflayank]

Just filed a case with paypal

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by sflayank

I WON 5 LOTS ENDED WITH 5 TRACKING #S
after calling 10 x got down to 2 tracking #s from 2 locations
1st box finally arrived just now with nothing in it but the free psa book theyre giving out
NO ITEMS NO ITEMS NO ITEMS
ANYONE HAVE HIS PERSONAL #
This is what he sent me

The books are separate from the lot wins.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by obcmac

The books are separate from the lot wins.

I'm guessing they're giving away the new PSA books because they advertised heavily with PSA? More strange bedfellows of Joe Orlando and Steve Sloan. So much fraud in this hobby.

I probably would have waited on the second (final?) box before filing a chargeback, but I can't say this company doesn't deserve it. Good luck to all those investors in Crazy Uncle!

[ecRich]

Got two packages with all my winning lots, only three cards. Packed very well, but no book darn.

[thanksjoe]

I just received my 2 winning lots yesterday. No issues thankfully

[bobbyw8469]

This whole thing sounds like a nightmare. It reminds me of that guy who went separate from Battlefield. His auction wound up being a fiasco too. This gives me further proof to never go with a startup.

[Yoda]

Just so I know, who are the principals behind Crazy Uncle?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Just so I know, who are the principals behind Crazy Uncle?

Aaron Rothchild is the president, but apparently not an owner.

The description is as follows:
Crazy Uncle Auctions is a company owned by collectors for collectors. Founded by a small group of elite collectors, Crazy Uncle’s owners have been collecting, trading and selling for over half-a-century. They have been involved in some of the most significant auctions in sports collectibles history and use their vast hobby knowledge to further enhance the experience for collectors who use the Crazy Uncle platform.

[swarmee]

Nice of them letting Aaron twist in the wind as the only scapegoat for this failure.
Are they even a real company? Anyone find any documentation of them filed with the Feds or state?

[CJDave]

Hello everyone,

As a further update, still missing over $300K+ worth of merchandise. Based on the lists I generated and gave to Aaron, subtracting those items sold in the first auction, subtracting those items sold (but should not have due to Aaron's incompetence and scam) in the second auction, and subtracting those items despicably dumped in front of my home on a couple of occasions, there exists $300K+ or more worth of valuable collectibles.

Apparently his voicemail is full. So the question is now posed (and this is not an accusation just a question)....did he steal my items, did he lose my items, did he sell these items on the side. I hope for his sake they turn up.....and turn up quickly !!!

[swarmee]

Have you hired a lawyer yet? Get a temporary injunction from him selling your items?

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hello everyone,

As a further update, still missing over $300K+ worth of merchandise. Based on the lists I generated and gave to Aaron, subtracting those items sold in the first auction, subtracting those items sold (but should not have due to Aaron's incompetence and scam) in the second auction, and subtracting those items despicably dumped in front of my home on a couple of occasions, there exists $300K+ or more worth of valuable collectibles.

Apparently his voicemail is full. So the question is now posed (and this is not an accusation just a question)....did he steal my items, did he lose my items, did he sell these items on the side. I hope for his sake they turn up.....and turn up quickly !!!

Dave..I am sorry for your bad experience but I really have to ask (and I am sure there are others thinking this)...... Why are you posting on Net54 with no mention of hiring an attorney or taking this case to your local police department?


Jeff

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hello everyone,

As a further update, still missing over $300K+ worth of merchandise. Based on the lists I generated and gave to Aaron, subtracting those items sold in the first auction, subtracting those items sold (but should not have due to Aaron's incompetence and scam) in the second auction, and subtracting those items despicably dumped in front of my home on a couple of occasions, there exists $300K+ or more worth of valuable collectibles.

Apparently his voicemail is full. So the question is now posed (and this is not an accusation just a question)....did he steal my items, did he lose my items, did he sell these items on the side. I hope for his sake they turn up.....and turn up quickly !!!

I am so confused by all of this. I'm just having a hard time buying that you are so wonderful, you gave him another shot. Maybe you are a great guy, but something is amiss for me to be honest. You posted so I assume you're willing to accept varied opinions on how this is handled. Why haven't you notified the authorities? If he has 300k+ of your property and you cannot reach him and suspect potential theft then why wait any longer? I don't trust incompetence with more incompetence and hope for a quality outcome. Why are you waiting for a resolve without action? Or, have you directed your attorney and authorities on recovering your goods and money? Attempted to go collect your possessions? This isn't a local food bank that mishandled your donation and deserves a second shot to feed the homeless. This is business. What am I missing?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Dave..I am sorry for your bad experience but I really have to ask (and I am sure there are others thinking this)...... Why are you posting on Net54 with no mention of hiring an attorney or taking this case to your local police department?


Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Posting on Net54 is meant more as a warning or an accounting of my experience (call it giving an online review from 1 to 5 stars) which others can use it as a basis for their decision making. Now by no means am I telling anyone not to do business with Crazy Uncles and/or Aaron. Everyone here is a free thinking adult who can make their own decisions. So before Aaron accuses me of hurting his business, I repeat, I am NOT telling anyone to stop doing business with Crazy Uncles and/or Aaron.....this is just an FYI for everyone.

In answer to your other question, since this is a civil matter, the police would doubtfully do any help here (no disrespect to the police). As far as handling this matter through the proper legal and court channels, trust me it is being handled.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Now by no means am I telling anyone not to do business with Crazy Uncles and/or Aaron

If some guy screwed me out of $300K, I'd be shouting from the rooftops day & night to stay away from him.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

I am so confused by all of this. I'm just having a hard time buying that you are so wonderful, you gave him another shot. Maybe you are a great guy, but something is amiss for me to be honest. You posted so I assume you're willing to accept varied opinions on how this is handled. Why haven't you notified the authorities? If he has 300k+ of your property and you cannot reach him and suspect potential theft then why wait any longer? I don't trust incompetence with more incompetence and hope for a quality outcome. Why are you waiting for a resolve without action? Or, have you directed your attorney and authorities on recovering your goods and money? Attempted to go collect your possessions? This isn't a local food bank that mishandled your donation and deserves a second shot to feed the homeless. This is business. What am I missing?

Hi Eric. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and they say no opinion is wrong. Most people like me, but I am sure some don't. Most think I am a good guy, I am sure some think I am an a-hole. Bottom line I am honest, I am trusting, I do not screw people over and for all that one may think, if I do speak for myself, you will find a hard time meeting anyone who cares as deeply about his fellow human being. The facts that I have outlined are just that factual. Now I may have left out that I gave him a few choice words and names on the phone (the 4 letter kind) and I won't say the thought of handling this matter "old school" didn't cross my mind, but what I said and everything I said is factual. I could give more details but that won't change the basic summary that I have provided.

I never said I have yet to take action, that is the job of the legal people I have hired and to give details right now of my course of action may or may not hurt by case.

My intent as I mentioned in this previous post is to give an accounting of the course of events and the wrongdoing that was given to me. It is for anyone reading this to make an educated decision if they would do business with this company (again I am not telling anyone to do business or not to do business with them, I am just giving my account).

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

If some guy screwed me out of $300K, I'd be shouting from the rooftops day & night to stay away from him.

True......but one could construe that as I am trying to intentionally hurt his business......again, just giving my accounting and letting everyone make their own decisions.....Never did I tell anyone to stay away.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hi Jeff,

Posting on Net54 is meant more as a warning or an accounting of my experience (call it giving an online review from 1 to 5 stars) which others can use it as a basis for their decision making. Now by no means am I telling anyone not to do business with Crazy Uncles and/or Aaron. Everyone here is a free thinking adult who can make their own decisions. So before Aaron accuses me of hurting his business, I repeat, I am NOT telling anyone to stop doing business with Crazy Uncles and/or Aaron.....this is just an FYI for everyone.

In answer to your other question, since this is a civil matter, the police would doubtfully do any help here (no disrespect to the police). As far as handling this matter through the proper legal and court channels, trust me it is being handled.

When you're talking theft of $300,000 in goods that's a criminal matter.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

When you're talking theft of $300,000 in goods that's a criminal matter.

I definitely do not want to accuse anyone of theft (just yet)......for now I will assume he has yet to make all deliveries to me.

[sportscomicfantasy]

Originally Posted by CJDave

I definitely do not want to accuse anyone of theft (just yet)......for now I will assume he has yet to make all deliveries to me.

Let's hope he is reading this and delivers the rest of your items to your work so they are not left out in the elements.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I still can't get over the idea of giving over $700K worth of collectibles to a start up who called themselves Crazy Uncle Auctions. I really truly hope you get all you stuff back and this works out for you in the end. I can't image being in your shoes right now.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by CJDave

I definitely do not want to accuse anyone of theft (just yet)......for now I will assume he has yet to make all deliveries to me.

I'm curious if you know who the owners of this company are?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm curious if you know who the owners of this company are?

Aaron Rothchild is the president, but apparently not an owner. There is no indication of the owners' names.

The description is as follows:
Crazy Uncle Auctions is a company owned by collectors for collectors. Founded by a small group of elite collectors, Crazy Uncle’s owners have been collecting, trading and selling for over half-a-century. They have been involved in some of the most significant auctions in sports collectibles history and use their vast hobby knowledge to further enhance the experience for collectors who use the Crazy Uncle platform.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

As many suspected they are registered in Delaware, likely for tax reasons:

THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING
File Number: 7497394 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 7/2/2019
(mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: CRAZY UNCLE AUCTIONS LLC
Entity Kind: Limited Liability Company Entity Type: General
Residency: Domestic State: DELAWARE

REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION

Name: RESIDENT AGENTS INC.
Address: 8 THE GREEN, STE R
City: DOVER County: Kent
State: DE Postal Code: 19901
Phone:

[Yoda]

Dave, couldn't you physically go to Aaron's home/place of business and demand your items? Given the suspicious nature of their auction and the amount of money involved, I would be on the first plane, along with my mask, of course. Auctions are a complicated business, and it seems CU didn't learn much from their first auction, making even more of a mess on their second

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Dave, couldn't you physically go to Aaron's home/place of business and demand your items? Given the suspicious nature of their auction and the amount of money involved, I would be on the first plane, along with my mask, of course. Auctions are a complicated business, and it seems CU didn't learn much from their first auction, making even more of a mess on their second

I did consider that, but then I would have to go to the local police station there, explain the situation and from what I have been told the police will tell me this is a civil matter and let the courts deal with it. If I then show up at his place, he will end up calling the police on me for trespassing, making threats, etc...….which may hurt my position in the end.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by CJDave

I did consider that, but then I would have to go to the local police station there, explain the situation and from what I have been told the police will tell me this is a civil matter and let the courts deal with it. If I then show up at his place, he will end up calling the police on me for trespassing, making threats, etc...….which may hurt my position in the end.

Yes....but this isn't someone stealing $300 from you. This is someone stealing $300,000 from you. SURELY something can be done about this.

[ThomasL]

Since I posted earlier about shipping and invoices thought I would give an update:

I registered in the last 24 hours before close and bid on 5 items of my collecting interest, 1 card and 4 autograph lots. I only won one of them (would have chased after one or two more as prices were about average for those items but wanted to save some money).

As stated they did send an invoice via email that was correct which I paid the moment I received it. It did take a few days for that to be sent but not unusually long. The invoice on the website never updated to show paid or shipped, I did email CUA I think 3 times (spaced out over a few days) once asking about if the invoice online would change and maybe twice asking for shipping update. I received an answer each time within 24hrs all professionally worded ( no they dont update the invoice or give you shipping update on their auction website to answer that question). I was sent email notification 7-14 that item was shipped and it arrived today 7-20 (USPS 3 Day priority...USPS ripped us off on that shipping!).

While yes I think it could have went faster from end of auction-emailing invoices-shipping once paid and would like for the invoice on the website to reflect changes in status throughout...I think it was handled ok and my questions via email and two messages to Aaron (before a lot of this stuff was posted) were all answered timely and in a professional way.

Doesn't touch on issues with co-signers obviously as I can speak to that, but does reflect on some of the other issues brought up in regards to buyers. I feel I might have been a little impatient.