|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Darren
Subject Won Loss ERA |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: fkw
A, D, G are the worst but Im sure thats not the answer |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Marc S.
quite a few things.... |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Without digging for a book to look in, C looks like Reulbach's numbers, he isn't in, but should be. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Shawn Chambers
Because I pull for several KY players as future HOFers...the "F" stats sure look like Tannehill's to me! |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Jerry Rucker
B would be Deacon Phillippe |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: howard
I don't know if any of them should be in but the one w/249 wins should not be IMHO (if I'm correct that it is Willis). |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Darren
The answer is B (phillipe), c (reulbach), and f (tannehill) |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Darren
The HOFers |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: fkw
The one stat that has always astonished me ever since I was a kid... |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
The owners really had it in for Ed Reulbach, they shuttled him off to the Federal League, and then limited his appearances... |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: howard
Frank, I haven't read the original "Historical Abstract" in years and I don't recollect article you mentioned but Reulbach's walk and hit totals were not less than his innings for his career. He did accomplish that feat in his rookie year and he has one of the lowest hits per nine ratios in history but his control was not quite good enough to keep his WHIP below one. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Misunderestimated
Chesbro, Marquard (and to a lesser extent Willis) have relatively weak career numbers for HOF pitchers. |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: T206Collector
Marquard finished with a lifetime ERA of 3.08 and was also one of the best strikeout pitchers of his era, leading the National League with 237 strikeouts in 1911, and finishing in the top five four times (1911, 1912, 1913 and 1921). Marquard also finished in the top ten in ERA four times (1911, 1912, 1913 and 1916) and the top ten in wins five times (1911, 1912, 1913, 1917 and 1921). Marquard’s 1,593 strikeouts stood as the National League record for left-handed pitchers for 17 years, until it was eclipsed by Carl Hubbell in 1942, and at the time of his retirement ranked 3rd in Major League history among lefthanders (behind only his namesake, Rube Waddell, and Eddie Plank). |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Howard, |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Jason L
This is outstanding - thank you for taking the time to post this on Big Ed, -and Bill James work, by the way. |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Anonymous
ABE and Alibris.... |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Darren
Good stuff Frank. It's hard to make a case against Reulbach being a HOFer. |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Jason L
the only case I can make is that I haven't accumulated enough of his cards yet! |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: howard
Frank, I don't deny that Reulbach was a fine pitcher and probably great for a few years but he does not strike me as a hall of famer. The 2.28 ERA, while excellent, is as much a product of Ed's time as his ability. He pitched his entire career in the dead ball era and had a short decline phase as his career ended relatively early. Maybe that was in part because of an owner vendetta but his numbers were in decline already and I'd guess that his heavy drinking had more to do with it (Bill James mentions the drinking in the revised Abstract). |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Howard, you're correct about Addie Joss and his hits to innings pitched. Mr. James must have overlooked him. |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: howard
Frank, we are exactly on the same page on that. If those guys are in then Ed should be in (as well as a few others). Some people look at who's in the hall and figure that if player A is in then player B should be also and that makes sense. I guess I look at it the other way around: if Ron Guidry (my favorite) and Ed Reulbach are not in then Rube Marquard and Jesse Haines should not be in. |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Misunderestimated
I am also a big Reulbach fan so please consider the following as more of an explanation for why he isn't in the HOF than a criticism of his merits. |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
|
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Who's in the Hall of Fame? T206 pitchers
Posted By: Darren
With everything else being equal it would appear that had Reulbach continued to play he could have posted a 67(W) and 99(L) record with over a 3.00 ERA from the time of his retirement and then he could be in the HOF (via matching Marquard's career numbers. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 66 | 07-26-2008 08:57 PM |
Hall of Fame | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 3 | 03-07-2007 04:02 PM |
OT-Hall of Fame PC questions... | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 5 | 10-26-2006 10:00 AM |
Hall of Fame Contributions | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 3 | 12-24-2005 04:56 PM |
Hall of Fame | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 28 | 09-21-2001 07:17 PM |