ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Boccabella

The email was sent by eBay.

"The eBay spokeswoman told SC Daily that those auctions were being taken down and all active listings were in the process of being removed. All of PWCC’s Buy it Now listings had been removed as of Tuesday afternoon."

That is not true about the BIN listings.

There are still 44,000 PWCC bin listings up from their vault account. I clicked on about twenty of them (varied from typical 1948 to 1955 cards), and only two of those listings were no good anymore. My guess is that maybe those two were from people panicking and removing their item from the vault.

Also, I bought one card from them this year. Late June. And have gotten no e-mail or ebay message about this.

The amount of misinformation being spread about this rumor is staggering.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That is not true about the BIN listings.

There are still 44,000 PWCC bin listings up from their vault account. I clicked on about twenty of them (varied from typical 1948 to 1955 cards), and only two of those listings were no good anymore. My guess is that maybe those two were from people panicking and removing their item from the vault.

Also, I bought one card from them this year. Late June. And have gotten no e-mail or ebay message about this.

The amount of misinformation being spread about this rumor is staggering.

i also received no email and have purchased from them in recent past.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That is not true about the BIN listings.

There are still 44,000 PWCC bin listings up from their vault account. I clicked on about twenty of them (varied from typical 1948 to 1955 cards), and only two of those listings were no good anymore. My guess is that maybe those two were from people panicking and removing their item from the vault.

Also, I bought one card from them this year. Late June. And have gotten no e-mail or ebay message about this.

The amount of misinformation being spread about this rumor is staggering.

It is true. See how many there are now. They are dropping at a consistent rate of around 120 per minute. If this rate continues, they should all be gone by around 7:30 PM PST tonight.

1:25 PM PST: 46,424 listings
1:35 PM PST: 45,185
1:45 PM PST: 43,976
1:55 PM PST: 42,733 and dropping

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by chadeast

It is true. See how many there are now. They are dropping at a consistent rate of around 120 per minute.

1:25 PM PST: 46,424 listings
1:35 PM PST: 45,185
1:45 PM PST: 43,976 and still dropping

Yeah I see that too, but the claim was "all had been removed", not "in the process".

All we can do is see if they all disappear. It does look possible, but I wouldn't want to assume anything until you see it

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by chadeast

It is true. See how many there are now. They are dropping at a consistent rate of around 120 per minute. If this rate continues, they should all be gone by around 7:30 PM PST tonight.

1:25 PM PST: 46,424 listings
1:35 PM PST: 45,185
1:45 PM PST: 43,976
1:55 PM PST: 42,733 and dropping

My question is what about the items that are currently on ebay and as of now still have still close to 18,000 listed for auction with their current auction/bids ending in a little over 3 days.

IF they selling privileges and listings are restricted effective today what happens to all this listings/auction items?

any ideas

[BobC]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

My question is what about the items that are currently on ebay and as of now still have still close to 18,000 listed for auction with their current auction/bids ending in a little over 3 days.

IF they selling privileges and listings are restricted effective today what happens to all this listings/auction items?

any ideas

Could it be that Ebay didn't want to antagonize potentially legit bidders/buyers that had already put bids in on so many auctions and so decided to just let them end naturally? I doubt PWCC would not complete any such auction sales either as that just makes them look bad to those buyers also.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That is not true about the BIN listings.

There are still 44,000 PWCC bin listings up from their vault account. I clicked on about twenty of them (varied from typical 1948 to 1955 cards), and only two of those listings were no good anymore. My guess is that maybe those two were from people panicking and removing their item from the vault.

Also, I bought one card from them this year. Late June. And have gotten no e-mail or ebay message about this.

The amount of misinformation being spread about this rumor is staggering.

The BIN lists via the vault are coming down. Go to their store, click refresh a few times…the # will change

4:50pm 43264 listings
4:51pm 42232 listings

This isn’t people taking their listings down. Maybe its ebay…maybe its PWCC but they’re disappearing.

[ullmandds]

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

[Carter08]

Jim Nonkes: I definitely spoke with a rep who seemed to know what I was talking about. I could see another rep not having a clue though.

[Jersey City Giants]

meant to replay to someone, fixing it

[Jersey City Giants]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

Nope I am not lying that they said it was not their email. However, this was just a service Rep who called me back (I did not click the link in the email I went straight to eBay's site in the Help section as I was unsure if it was a real email or not - it took them ~35 min to call me back). She said eBay would not out a member (buyer or seller) in a mass email. That being said, she had not heard about anything so was just reacting to what I told her I received. Hope that helps.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Jersey City Giants

Nope I am not lying that they said it was not their email. However, this was just a service Rep who called me back (I did not click the link in the email I went straight to eBay's site in the Help section as I was unsure if it was a real email or not - it took them ~35 min to call me back). She said eBay would not out a member (buyer or seller) in a mass email. That being said, she had not heard about anything so was just reacting to what I told her I received. Hope that helps.

This.....it makes no sense. Sounds more like a disgruntled card collector with an axe to grind. I had some experience with some of those on the PSA boards many years ago. They are out there.

[JollyElm]

Two things:

1. I can't believe how many collectors here buy things from these scum merchants.
2. If they truly become 'vanished,' what's going to fill up all the space dedicated to screaming about them every day on net54???

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Two things:

1. I can't believe how many collectors here buy things from these scum merchants.
2. If they truly become 'vanished,' what's going to fill up all the space dedicated to screaming about them every day on net54???

1. and openly admit it
2. Dont worry we will find something

I didn't get the email but I can proudly say I don't ever remember buying anything from PWWC.

Since I have seen a serious lack of cards in this thread. Here is my favorite Tim Carroll cut card art work.

[bobbyw8469]

Now PWCC seems to be proactively closing listings out too!! Darn it!!! I was trying to get that Bird rookie PSA 9 for $50k!

[Jersey City Giants]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This.....it makes no sense. Sounds more like a disgruntled card collector with an axe to grind. I had some experience with some of those on the PSA boards many years ago. They are out there.

What makes no sense? I didn't trust the initial email (in other words I was worried it was a scam and didn't want to follow the link). Hence, I went right to eBay's site to have them call me back (the safe way to do it). I was called back in just over a half hour. The Rep had not heard about the email and told me that in all her years there eBay had not "outed a seller or buyer like that." She then told me it was (in her view) a fake email. Of course now we know it was real. My guess is that eBay did not inform all their reps.

I have zero ax to grind. I am not blaming the rep but will blame the job eBay did in getting the info out internally.

[MINES_MINT]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

No idea. I relayed what I was told. Someone in the eBay customer service department making a mistake when they spoke to me would not surprise me though.

[griffon512]

pwcc starts doing their own auctions outside of ebay. ebay boots them off the platform a short time later. coincidence? if you are ebay do you want a vendor using your platform to build a huge business and then use the brand name they built on your platform to compete with you? the timing of the shill bidding claim seems arbitrary without that context. there may be other factors going on outside of this but i would think competing against ebay is at least the straw that broke the camel's back.