1982 Topps Blackless

[bswhiten]

Apparently Beckett doesn’t recognize Blackless… still can’t believe this was closed at eBay auction for under $20!

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Apparently Beckett doesn’t recognize Blackless… still can’t believe this was closed at eBay auction for under $20!

So people have all the luck.


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[Blackless Collector]

a pair of wrong labeled "Blackless" by PSA Again....

[bswhiten]

wow...That should be embarrassing for PSA. Why would they slab it Blackless when there is clearly Black ink??? Maybe some of the new graders.

[Blackless Collector]

Very embarrassing for PSA, think in the step of research they can note the difference between regular and Blackless. Is incredible lot of regular cards with Blackless designation.

[Blackless Collector]

WTB and Still in Search of #464 Juan Bonilla Blackless

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

None of the above.

Magenta progressive proof.

I would venture a guess it is most likely blank backed?

[ALR-bishop]

See post 2 in thread for something similar… Blueless 😊

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

See post 2 in thread for something similar… Blueless 😊

Al is right, I didn't bother to check that the missing stripe is blue.

It is blueless.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Thanks to both of you. I'll be posting better photos today or early next week.

Any realistic ideas of value for commons?

There is precious little info online for these. Apparently there may only be 1-2 copies of each known card extant?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Better photos.

[ALR-bishop]

Billy---when you say only 1 or 2 copies you are referring to the blueless rather than blackless, right ? I picked the few blueless examples I have when putting together my blackless set. Don't know how many exist but likely not many.

With the blackless there were enough out there you could try to build a set and when they got listed in SCD and recognized by PSA the competition for them in the hobby drove up prices. I think the blueless lack the hobby recognition to have great value other than among oddity or specific player collectors. Others may think differently.

[JustinD]

I am in agreement with Al here, as per usual.

I am of the opinion that the blueless are of course the usual backdoored print flaw sheets of the time. To be honest I would guess there are very few, likely less than 5 sheets. Even your estimate of 1 or 2 is believable.

Your example has one big issue and that is the poor sheet cut that someone did with a pair of scissors (most noticeable on the back). This can be a big impact on value as many error collectors really focus on pack pulled errors, not printer's scrap, which is really what these are. If sheet cut, it needs to be done well.

While a neat oddity, these don't really hold much value due to the limited number of weirdos like Al and myself that collect them. Had they been packaged and distributed like the blackless and PSA gradable, the value would change.

Only a very small number of uncut backdoored sets find their way into master set and number grades, the full front and back 1985 Topps minis being the most recognized.

The only opportunity for grading these might be Beckett and they would label it a proof most likely with no number grade. Not sure if they still grade proofs, but I have a bunch of older ones I have accumulated. I think grading cost might exceed value in this case.

I think on this, the value would be really what the eBay bidders decide on any given day. As Al said, commons don't do well. Had it been a star or semi-star they can do better due to player collectors.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I appreciate the input again, guys.

This area of collecting is far from my wheelhouse. These just seemed like they were too interesting to pass up, so I took a flyer on them. While not knowing what to expect regarding value, the lack of collector interest is quite frankly very surprising to me. If someone like me who hasn't cared about unsigned cards in over 30 years found them interesting, it just seemed natural that others would as well.

[ALR-bishop]

The only thing I would add to what Justin said is that while we may be weird we are not nearly as weird as Butch, Larry, Greg, Cliff and Thomas. Those guys are beyond weird

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Better photos.

That is completely fabulous! I own zero blueless from '82.

[holybull]

Anybody happen to have a Johnny Bench Blackless they would consider selling?? Thanks, Michael.

[bswhiten]

Michael, I have a Bench but it isn’t for sale. Definitely a tough C sheet one.

Anyone know who won the Murphy the other day? Did you get it Christian? I was an underbidder. Wanted a second one signed

[Blackless Collector]

Hi Ben, i was bidder but my limit was close to 400.00 but other bidder was more high than 400.00. I note the card had no perfecto corners and a little wrinkle on the bottom left surface. Was sadly not add this to my Blackless Collection but someday. The Only 3 i need to complete the B sheet are #241 Bucky Dent IA Blackless, #464 Juan Bonilla Blackless and #668 Murphy.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Michael, I have a Bench but it isn’t for sale. Definitely a tough C sheet one.

Anyone know who won the Murphy the other day? Did you get it Christian? I was an underbidder. Wanted a second one signed

Nice final price for a semi-star in my mind. Great to see the interest is still going strong in blackless.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by holybull

Anybody happen to have a Johnny Bench Blackless they would consider selling?? Thanks, Michael.

Michael, keep an eye always on eBay, i found mine 3 years ago, was a PSA 6 but the Blackless are extraordinary in any condition. Blackless is a Tough set but is a Pleasure collect them.