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Old 09-24-2020, 03:45 PM
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Default Star Basketball sets to avoid master list

Hi, I tried looking around the internet for a master list of bad/later/fake star sets. So far I have

Avoid: (many include Levin COA’s and were shop at home fakes)
1984-1985 lite all stars white version
Blue border Olympic 1984-85
Crunch n' Munch 1986 and darker orange crunch n munch (Jordan dunk)
1986 Chicago Bulls arena set
UNC Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan ten card Olympic
1985 roy set white border red letters
84-85 all rookie team white border
Yellow border non 5x7 court Kings 1985
Gatorade set white
Any 5x7's printed as standard size cards
Black or white Jordan 101 XRC
Portland Trailblazer Jordan cards

Released later/ production date not know. Beckett will no longer grade these:
Best of the Best
Magic Johnson subset


Avoid unless graded by Beckett:
Best of the new 4 card set (type 2's were released or illegally stolen and sold) (Beckett has just stopped grading these)
Michael Jordan subset (Type 2's)
1985-86 main set numbers 95-172
These type 2’s are often times off register.

Note: It does not seem that full sealed sets have been reprinted that I can find thus far.

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Old 09-24-2020, 05:45 PM
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Raw Best of the New I would avoid...and do you mean the Olympic subset? Haven't heard anything wide spread on that one...

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Old 09-24-2020, 05:53 PM
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In the interview with Steve Taft:

https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/


He seems to say the 84-85 Olympic subset Is a shop at home product.
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Old 09-24-2020, 06:05 PM
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I think thats more crap with the different color borders...

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Old 09-24-2020, 06:16 PM
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Ok yes, not to be confused with the red border Olympic set which is legit. There is also a McDonald’s all American star Jordan card on eBay that has bids now that isn’t any good. There just seems to be a lot of bad stuff out there masquerading as legit star.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...AAAOSwhjlfOG3X

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Old 09-30-2020, 03:42 PM
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The 86 Bulls arena set is bad. The 10 card Jordan subset does exist but not with this card so it is bad as well.

I'm curious if the COA with the best of the new set is ok.
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Old 09-30-2020, 04:07 PM
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If you look at sold eBay listings for Jordan star hsn cards the cards are selling for 40-100 dollars each with 10 bids plus. All raw. Am I crazy or dumb or missing something?
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Did you cover this one? The 86 Crunch N Munch Jordan that was not made in 86?

Look at this on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333739880289

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It’s on my list. Pure shop at home trash. I have scoured YouTube looking for the original tv recording of the sale. No luck. Lots of shop at home don west videos out there but no star vids. If anyone has a lead on that it would be appreciated.

Here he is hawking some later star Jordan crap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKOuM5TwzA



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Did you cover this one? The 86 Crunch N Munch Jordan that was not made in 86?

Look at this on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333739880289

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We have a ton of Star in our upcoming auction with many keys just graded by Beckett in the last month. They no longer grade ANY "Best of" sets.
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Scott, Thank you for the information. Just curious, does that include the very rare best of the old yellow five card set? Those have not been subject to controversy or reprint and should still be good for grading in my opinion.


Looking forward to the auction.

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What Beckett told me was that the company that bought Star's assets in bankruptcy reissued all of the Best cards. They didn't enumerate any exceptions to me, but maybe the person speaking to me didn't have all the information.

We will be selling Best of the old and Best of the new. This collection had nearly every Star Co. Card ever printed and they were collected by the son of a dealer as they came out so fairly impeccable provenance. Also if you're into esoteric basketball, supposedly there's no way to differentiate between 1976 and 1977 Fleer stickers, however again this collection was put together year by year at the time cards and stickers were issued, so while there's no way of "proving" it we have two separate sets of stickers actually labeled with the appropriate year. Just interesting, not incredibly valuable.
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It’s on my list. Pure shop at home trash. I have scoured YouTube looking for the original tv recording of the sale. No luck. Lots of shop at home don west videos out there but no star vids. If anyone has a lead on that it would be appreciated.

Here he is hawking some later star Jordan crap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKOuM5TwzA


https://www.ebay.com/itm/333739880289

Dennis,
FYI, this Crunch and Munch Jordan listed is the same picture as the '85 Lite All-Stars. Is it the "Star 86" in the upper right that makes it fake?
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Nice catch, yes, so there are two bad crunch n munch sets or at least Jordans. The one featuring Jordan dunking and the right picture set that is marked 86 instead of 85.


Also there are reprint/fake 85 Jordan Crunchnmunch cards being sold. They are typically a darker shade of orange than the originals

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Just an update, there seems to be more HSN shop at home star cards on ebay than ever, with major sellers. The bidding is pushing many of these counterfeit/fake cards well into the hundreds of dollars. As Michael Burry's character said in the big short, a hallmark of mania is the rise and complexity of fraud. At any rate this article states that when the FBI raided the 1997 Shop at Home operation, over 100,000 cards were confiscated. One can only imagine how many were released.

https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-x...022-story.html


more info here

https://www.poconorecord.com/article...News/302199996

If there are any lawyers on the forum who can research access to the court records for these licensing lawsuits or can share any documents legally it would be greatly appreciated.

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I ran across or maybe someone told me of a web site that went into the Star issues but I seem to have misplaced my notes. Anyone know what I am talking about?
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Is this the one, Adam ?

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Yes! Thank you.
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