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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Eric S.
I recently purchased a card through a reputable website that gave a grading and a front view of the card. The site listed the back as being a SC350 but did not give an image. When I got it in the mail discovered it had substantial back damage. Should a supposed reputable dealer disclose that there is paper loss on a card or are they only responsible to tell you it is graded "pr"? |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Tim Sanders
To me it really depends - nothing gets my goat more than when a dealer lists a card as VG (prices it that way) and in the same breath lists paper loss and/or writing. If he however lists it poor to fair expect the worst and be happy if there is no paper loss. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Anonymous
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Fred C
Eric, |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Eric B
In this case, probably not. A poor card clearly can have back paper loss. You probably should have asked first before bidding, if that matters to you. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: joe
When grading just started I did not worry about the backs, but now I will show a scan of the back and describe any problems. Yes. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Steve
Regardless of what grade a card was given all severe flaws |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}
Is there a way to remove water spots? Rob |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Jeff K
I recently bought an fairly expensive PSA 6 card that turned out to have print loss on the back. Would have been nice if the seller mentioned it. Would also have been nice if PSA didn't put EX/MT grades on cards with print loss....so I'm equally disappointed with the seller and with PSA. Won't make the same mistake again... |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Robert, |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Steve
Print loss? Are you saying that the printing was not complete? |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: leon
Always give BIG scans of front and back and ALWAYS mention any issues that can't be seen from a scan. My motto " no surprises ".....so the answer is an emphatic "YES".....everything should be disclosed. As far as if a card has been bumped up or not, I am on the fence. If the grade went from a 30 to a 40, I am not sure that, in itself, needs to be disclosed....regards |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Red
If you're at all picky about what kind of defects are on a card that make up the grade then ask questions and get additional pictures before you buy the card. If it's not important enough to you to obtain this info before you buy then why should the seller bother wasting time describing things that are usually clearly seen in the picture they have up. No picture of the back? Then ask for one. Don't waste your time and their time by not asking for a picture of the back and then returning the card because it has something on the back that you don't like. I'd much rather look at a picture to see for myself rather than rely on an owner's ability to see and describe all the problems on a card they're selling. If you're buying without pictures and relying only on how somebody else grades the card then unhappy purchases will be as common as they were pre-internet and pre-grading. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: dennis
should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage? yes,and add creases too |
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Posted By: Mark Lutz
I think that paper loss, punch holes, and writing should be disclosed along with the grade. These very serious defects really have to be mentioned if the description is going to be complete. If the dealer doesn't mention them, the seller should always be able to return the card. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Steve
Red the problem with your logic is simply many times |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: boxingcardman
If there are clear scans of both sides of the card, there is no need to say what can be seen from the images. I would even go so far as to say that even a slabbed card with that sort of damage should have it specified or shown. It isn't enough for me to simply say "1" without showing the back, if back damage is the problem. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Yes. |
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Posted By: Jeff K
Just to clarify, the PSA 6 mentioned earlier had print loss on the back from a scrape or paper pull. Back damage. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}
This is the card I am talking about. Do you think the stain can come out? Rob PS I know this is not a perwar card but I figured since we were talking about removing water spots I would ask. |
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should dealers disclose paper loss, writing and water damage?
Posted By: NickM
but if the card is raw and the seller calls it poor, I would specifically ask about any flaw I consider disqualifying. The seller isn't overgrading the card. It's poor. |
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