Mastro Wins???

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Anyone?

I just woke up at 6:00 EST and the auctions for the first night are closed.

How long did they extend... and did anybody here get anything good??

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Whoever won THIS had the right idea:

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45517&CurrentRow=1

Bid high as heck and then GO TO SLEEP at 11:00 since you OWN IT with NO extended time period!

It may cost more, but it saved a few hours of sleep.

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Posted By: ockday

so it was another all nighter.I did manage to win a couple of lots...the N310 Mayo boxers set, OJ Kid Nichols and a couple of hockey sets.

Alan

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

did I do well winning the Boston Garter Evers at 3076.00 ?????

Iam happy , but thought that it was a little low despite it's problems.

Opinions please.

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

Nice-looking card and rare as hell.

I'm still high on only one lot, and don't expect to win.

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Posted By: andy becker

dan
nice card! even better price! congrats!!!

i won one lot ....and was underbidder on three others

maybe tonight will be better

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Posted By: Mike Williams

Outbid on all 7 lots! Ya gotta ask yourself "E" card collectors, is now the time to unload a few pieces? Prices are (and have been) insane!

Maybe tonight...and for what it's worth (and slightly OT), the full page REA Ruth "Baltimore News" image is stunning! I'd like to see more full page images!

Take care all,

Mike

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

Nice win Dan! I almost had an itchy trigger finger on that lot... But then I looked at all the other lots coming up in the future and decided this one must get away... Got shut out last night. Saving $$$ for PCL and 19th century stuff... JC

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Posted By: Texas Ted

Your title of Masto Wins??? would be slightly more fitting as Mastro Wins!!! The true winner in this is clearly the one raking in all the fees. Ah that sweet juice.

Ted
He who so shall, so shall he who!

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

thanks for the assured responses and the congrats, even though I have alot of back ground in pre war, your opinions mean alot, thanks again.

Good luck to all as well !
-Dan

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Posted By: Josh K.

Do you think I got a good price on this lot

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45404&CurrentRow=1

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

In an earlier thread I think someone asked how this card looked (Wagner) I think that Jim B answered that it looked like 200K. I guess he was right.

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Posted By: leon

Nothing personal here but if you have 235k of disposable income to spend on "a" baseball card does it really matter if it's a good buy? Again, not trying to be a dick but ......really...

ps....relative to other card prices it probably was...and it is a very nice looking Wagner as they go

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Posted By: andy becker

...josh was kidding...or maybe just "joshin'"

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Posted By: Mal Content

picking on wealthy people and complaining about how they buy their Wagners.

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Posted By: Josh K.

I thought the winking smiley face would make it obvious enough that I was kidding. Unfortunately for me, I do not have 200+k lying around to spend on bb cards.

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Posted By: leon

I didn't know....I don't remember who all of the millionaires on the board are....sorry bout that....it's still a nice Wagner as they go....not my cup of tea but still a sweet card

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Posted By: Julie

were trimmed with a fingernail scissors. Spelling?

But then I don't have 200,000 dollars of disposable, or any other kind of, income lying around and yes, I knew Josh was kidding. But SOMEBODY won it...

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Posted By: Judge Dred

Josh, The buyers premium alone for the Wagner would be enough to choke a lot of collectors budgets...

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Posted By: TJ Schwartz

As a signed book collector, I feel I stole this lot on Wed at 1561. Died in 1891 and book published in 1888. Very nice addition to my collection. TJS

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Posted By: Josh K.

The juice on the wagner would choke my budget for the next 5 years.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

Im a with ya on the Wagner, them tops are trimmed or otherwise explain the 2000 bangs against the wall and that's how it turned out. The bottom edges look beveled to the same perfection, oh well.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Looking at some of the Mastro bids, particularly the high grade complete sets, I don't think price and value are even factors. You have a group of extremely wealthy people wanting certain things and they probably don't really know what the lots are worth but they do know they have to top the existing bid, and so they do. The market is very skewed towards these high end buyers and the general collector is completely shut out, often not even close. The only hope is these guys may burn out and some normalcy will come back to the market. I no longer actively collect but the issue is moot; I could no longer compete so why even bother. Collectors on budgets are competing with gazillionaires and will lose out every time.

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

And to think I believed the market had "topped out" three or four years ago when I let all of my rare type cards and rare backs go!

From what I have seen the 1 1/2 years I have been back into vintage collecting, I believe the prices are only going to keep rising. I remember when I got back, I swore I wouldn't bid above certain amounts. After not winning, I have thrown that option out the door.

I have been pondering lately whether to narrow my collection down or not (don't think I will ever quit collecting again - I could probably quit smoking first!!!). That seems to be the way my collecting is now headed, as I cannot afford to collect everything these days. Looks as if I will keep my Croft's Cocoa collection and around 50 other caramel cards I really like because of the nice poses or backgrounds and sell everything else over the next couple of months. This way, at least I can have the money to bid and win items I really want or need when they do come up for sale.

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Posted By: Andrew Parks

I picked up the E95 Matty.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I bought back a card that I had sold years ago for a lot less.

I guess absence made the heart grow fonder.



Buy High, Sell Low - right?

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Posted By: Will

I bid on two lots and won both. I picked up the 1915 Zeenut Lefty Williams and the 1925 Zeenut Tony Lazzeri.

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Posted By: Texas Ted

I snagged one auction, and frankly it was the one I wanted the most (a large lot of postwar Dodgers). Included were 16 high number 52 Topps cards and high number 49 Bowmans. That is not of real interest to this board but important to me. All of the prewar stuff went over my limits in the last couple of days. I have tried to be disciplined in my bidding, but I may have to relax that if I ever hope to win anything.

If anybody here got any of the big lots of pre war cards and want to flip some of the doubles and leftovers quickly let me know via email. I don't much care what it is, as I want to learn by handling as many as I can before I venture into them in any big way.

Ted
He who so shall, so shall he who!

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Posted By: Brian

I won the only lot I seriously bid on. I am very happy with the closing hammer (right at my limit). This is my first Mastro win. BTW, Tbob -- we should talk...

Brian

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

won a 6 card zeenut lot, 3 graded SGC 5 and 3 ungraded with Harry Hooper descibed as vg, all with coupons.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

As usual...

I won two items on which I had placed "MAX BID" limits long ago...

and I won BOTH of them EXACTLY at my high bid.



Just too damn coincidental every stinkin time.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Hal, look at this way, you know your market well and know the breaking point bid that no one will top. Just think if you were the underbidder in auction, you would probably feel a lot worse.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I am never again using Mastro's max bid. NEVER.

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

Robert Edward and 19th Century Only. These are the only two major auctions I have ever won items for less than my max bid in!

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Posted By: martin dalziel

I've won in Mastro for less than my max bid. I've also had my max bid beaten, but always by just one more bid. My takeaway? I've got a fairly good read on what a lot will go for and what it will take to win that lot. I don't think i'm
at all unique in that regard, hence that's why a lot of max bids end up being the winning bid.

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Posted By: Texas Ted

Maybe just luck, or maybe my Max was higher than it should have been.

Ted
He who so shall, so shall he who!

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Martin:

The difference in my situation is as follows:

FIRST - I am bidding on certain items that do NOT have a "set" price, like "one-of-a-kind" rare items that could sell for anywhere between $25,000 and $60,000.

SECOND - I placed my Max Bid SEVERAL DAYS before the auction ended... yet someone else WITHIN HOURS had run my bid RIGHT UP to the max... and THEN STOPPED... and then NEVER BID AGAIN!!!!

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Who on Earth would bid on something THAT HEAVY and THAT EARLY to take it up to $33,000...and NOT take "one last shot" at getting it for $34,500 in the very end???

Especially a one-of-a-kind item where the "value" of the item is whatever it sells for in the auction? No way to "lose" money.

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Ask yourselves THIS question:

If you REALLY wanted that 1914 Babe Ruth card in the REA auction.... and MONEY WAS NO OBJECT...

and you had bid it up like crazy a WEEK before the auction closed...

and it had NOT gone up any higher since then...

wouldn't YOU take one more crack at it during the extended period???

After all, we are talking about situations where the bidder can clearly afford the price anyway...

so there is NO EXPLANATION for how my "max bid" got raised all the way up ONE WEEK before the auction ended and then NEVER again.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

OK, heck... I'll put it to the public:

If YOU were the person who increased my Max Bid on this card from $13,000 to $28,000 in a 5-minute span a FULL WEEK before the auction ended...

PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW.

No hard feelings, since if you truly exist then you wanted the card and I commend you for trying.


http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45729&CurrentRow=1


In fact, if you exist, then you are probably angry because you were only ONE bid away from winning it.

BUT DO YOU EXIST?????

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Posted By: martin dalziel

I have to agree with you Hal, that doesn't look or sound right at all. I had watched that Plow's Mathewson from the beginning and had notice the sudden halt in bidding. I expected to get up yesterday and see that it had flown through the last bid i had seen.

I was thinking perhaps given that its only a sample of two, that it was just luck, but you're right, if i was the underbidder by one bid with days to go, then i absolutely would have taken another shot or two at it.

Nice card, btw

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Actually some people bid everything early on a card because they want it but they want to see have time to see what else they want if theyre not the high bidder.The underbidder couldve said let me try for the Mathewson because i really want it but then when their max wasnt the high bid they just moved onto something else.Ive done that in auctions,even on ebay,ran it up as high as i wanted to go and if i wasnt the high bidder i just moved on even if it had 4 or 5 days left.


If it makes you feel better i didnt come within 4 bids of winning anything and 3 of my 4 max bids in REA have been topped,the others at my max with only 2 weeks to go

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Posted By: Craig

I was happy to pick up the Bresnahan portrait t206. It has been a long time since I was able to add to my t206 hofer run.
The interesting thing about this thread is hearing what everyone won not if they won an anonymous item!
Thanks for sharing Hal. Great, tough card even if it is not Matty's rookie. Now what else did you win?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Congrats to all winners.

Peter and Will: Respect! those Zeenuts were NIIICE and it took some serious bids to get them. I was out long before the closing and watched gape-jawed as they spiraled upwards. Now, who snagged the other lots?

Barry: I hope people who may be buying a bit blindly develop a love for the hobby and are inspired to stay in it rather than going away. Besides, a rising tide lifts all ships, so to speak; I ain't cryin' over record prices and publicity.

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Posted By: Richard Masson

I am perfectly happy with this one and a few Zeenuts, especially when compared to the price of the Mathewson. I thought for sure Hal was the one buying the Weaver and the Cochrane zeenuts (had to be someone with a first card fetish).

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Posted By: marty

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=46236&CurrentRow=1


I bought this lot of 152 T207's for resale. I was planning on sending some of them in to SGC to be graded. The problem that I see is that SGC has only graded about 40 and PSA has graded over 1300. I feel that a lot of prewar cards sell higher in SGC holders, but with PSA having such a large population of this issue, I do not see how I can pass up on PSA for grading. What is everyone's opinion. If there were even a third as many SGC as PSA, I would probably go with SGC.

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Posted By: Brian

For personal collecting, I am sure SGC would be the overwhelming selection. I assume you are asking which company will provide greater resale potential?

Your analysis of the populations make sense, sounds like more "slab set builders" are using PSA. At least the pop reports indicate this is true.

Unfortunately, I don't collect T207s. Just wanted to make sure I was following your logic.

I am sure others here can give you a more informed opinion.

Good luck, its a great lot of cards,

Brian

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Posted By: Glen V

I picked up the 1926 Zeenut lot of 29. Anyone here win the large Zeenut lots? I wouldn't mind some trades for some of the other years...

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Glen I would be happy to trade a 27 Zeenut 5 for a 26 Zeenut 5. That still leave me 1 more to trade for another year if anyone else is interested. Peter

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

PSA has holders that fit most T207's and they look OK, but the oversized ones do not fit and they will put those in the damn baggies. If you send them to PSA clearly indicate that you do not want the cards in baggies. If they run out of the right size inserts they will also put them in baggies. You will not get what you want for the cards in the baggies.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I'd say go with SGC. It is going to be cheaper, and I am sure more than a few of registry people go thru the SGC listing looking for crossovers. Let them foot the big PSA bill. You won't much, if any difference in what they sell for. The other thing to consider is that if you use PSA, you basically saying that all their shady business practices are OK. Let someone else spend their money with PSA. With vintage cards, there is little price difference, especially in the mid ranges.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

John:

I agree that the person who bid up the Mathewson MAY have been someone who "shot his wad" and then moved on and decided to buy something else...

but think of how BIG of a coincidence it would be.

This particular card is one-of-a-kind and has NO SET VALUE... so it is "worth" ANYWHERE from $1,000 to $50,000... depending on how crazy people want to get.

SO... how could it be that TWO STRANGERS (me and this other bidder) just OUT OF THE BLUE selected the exact same dollar amount as the "max" we would pay for this card?

Pretty Big Coincidence.

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Just like when someone starts a thread on here about how much a card (1914 Ruth, T206 Wagner) will go for in an auction.

The guesses are ALL OVER THE PLACE.

How STRANGE is it that the ONLY two people in the WHOLE WORLD who wanted this card really bad were both willing to spend the EXACT same amount and NOT a dollar more?

I smell a rat.