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My prediction is ...
Posted By: Hankron
that five or ten years from now, Roger Maris' 61 home runs will be generally, if not officially (you never know what the MLBPA will say), be considered the all-time single season record, and Barry Bonds' record will be considered as valid as Ben Johnson's 1988 100 meter gold medal. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
WAITAMINUTE--what about McGuire?--that Bonds took steroids. Guess there's very little doubt, is there? |
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Posted By: Rob L
if Bonds is indicted for perjury regarding the use of THG. There is a report today that the grand jury may indict several players for perjury in regards to the use of THG as well as knowing that Mr. Conte and BALCO were supplying it. Faye Vincent said today that an asterick by Bonds 73 may be necessary. |
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Posted By: Hankron
I'm not saying what is right or wrong, I'm just predicting that someday Roger Maris will be the 'new' home run champ. |
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Posted By: david manns
I also believe Mcgwire's record will stand. Think about the fact that he hit 49 HR's as a rookie with no andro and Bonds never hit more than what, 45 or 48 HR's, in any given year other than the year he hit 73. |
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Posted By: Hankron
McGwire or Maris, perhaps what is most interesting things is that no one here has argued for Bonds' merits as champion. |
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Posted By: Hankron
I also think that some athletes will find out that, when it involves the distribution, promotioin and use of illegal substances, federal prosecutors won't particularly care what the players' association, collective bargaining or your high price agent have to say about the matter. |
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Posted By: Hankron
A possible way to look at is this: Irrelevant to how many home runs were hit by Joe Blow during a World War II season, how many people today would consider it the true Major League record? Simularly, irrelevant to the merits of a particular player, 50 years from now, how many people will consider the home runs from the late 1990s wholey legitimate? My guess is that a large percentage, if not a majority, will take the home run numbers as seriously as those from WWII. |
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Posted By: Hankron
Again, I'm not saying what is right or wrong, just making my prediction ... And I have enough sense to make predictions that can't be proven wrong for another fifty years (You don't have to pay up, if the person died ten years earlier). |
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Posted By: jay behrens
the problem I have with this whole 'put an asterik by the record' thing is, I don't care how pumped up on steroids you are, you still have to make contact with the ball and hit it out of the park. If it were as simple as taking steroids to become a great HR hitter, than all of us would be in the big leagues. |
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Posted By: Julie
...are tempted to take steroids to improve it. Only a fool would think steroids would enhance a performance that didn't already include an excellent eye and an accurate swing. |
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Posted By: Jason
It is funny how easy it is to criticise and scrutinize when you have never played the game on a competitive level. Bonds is probably the most disciplined hitter of this era. I really feel that if you have never played in organized baseball beyond college then your comments are not warranted. I takes ALOT more skill to lay off certain pitches than it does to hit a 92 MPH fastball over the fence. Poi9nt being that even without the enhancement he will still be champ. THink about it......it is not like he is hitting balls just getting over. He puts alot of them into the bay for cryiong out loud. You really think they would fall short if he was off of whatever he is taking? I dont think so. It may make a little difference, but not that much. My prediction..........Rose is new commissioner. |
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Posted By: Jason
Please excuse my terrible typing skills. The Rose for commissioner comment was a joke. I think he should be inducted right behind Shoeless Joe! |
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Posted By: runscott
...and Kobe probably thinks that unless you've been a millionaire basketball player with access to lots of adoring eager women, your comments aren't warranted. |
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: Jason
Scott- |
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Posted By: Hankron
A common argument I hear is that steroids doesn't matter, because it can't help a player's timing, eye contact, contact etc (which, in part, is incorrect as the added strength alone increases a batter's bat speed and reaction, which increases the batter's amount and quality of contact. This is particularly true where 'catching up' to the high heat or fending of the tough slow splitter is essential to being a high average hitter, much less a power hitter. Even Wade Boggs or Tony Gwynn will tell you that being able to get around on a high fastball is essential, even if you don't hit 8 home runs a year, and not being able to get around is why people are in AA). Beyong that, whenever the argument is raised that steroids doesn't matter and that it can't make a quality player better, my answer is : Why, then, do they take steroids? Is it because they want to enjoy the possible side effects of impotence, hair loss and testicular cancer at the age of 45? Or do they enjoy having injected un-scientifically tested drugs into their veins at 7am by a man who never took a nursing or medical class in his life? |
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Posted By: Hankron
A simpler way to look at it is that steroids makes a batter able to swing the bat quicker and faster-- this is how the increase home run power is generated. As exemplified by the aluminum bat, power is gained because increased speed not wieght (Despite age old lore, using a heavier bat does not increase your power). |
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Posted By: Jason
Hankron- |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Maris's great year came in the first year of an expansion of the league. Several AAA pitchers were suddenly major leaguers. Mantle got 54 in a partial season. What did Jim Gentile get that year, 47 dingers? It was a power explosion of a year with an extended schedule. |
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Posted By: ramram
it gives you the edge. It makes average, good and good, great. If track had a player's union Ben Johnson would own the world record right now. |
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Posted By: runscott
Regardless of our own differing personal experiences with hitting baseballs with bats, wooden or otherwise, you and I both have an EQUAL right to an opinion on this subject, or any other. You might disagree with me, and that's fine. |
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Posted By: runscott
(it's a Consitutional thing) |
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Posted By: jay berhens
The difference between Ben Johnson and Barry Bonds is that when Ben Johnson took steroids, he knew it was illegal. Just like Andro when Mac set the record, THG was not illegal. Johnson was knowing breaking the rules, Bonds and Mac broke none. |
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Posted By: runscott
I have to agree with a major part of Jason's argument. |
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Posted By: Jason
Scott- |
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Posted By: runscott
..agreed. I like your use of the word "fols" in the above post - leaving your option open for "fools" or "folks"! |
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Posted By: Julie
though most of us (including Bill James) would agree about having a smaller HOF with only the "first tier" HOFers--there's a great divergence of opinion about who the "first tier" consists of! |
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Posted By: runscott
...but I don't think his analogy holds up. I see no problem with putting "cute murderers" in a "handsome man" HOF, or a "murderer" HOF, but they certainly wouldn't fit in a "moral humans" HOF. |
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Posted By: Jason
Scott- |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
..after he was elected to the HOF. Even if he had been convicted of the crime itself, I doubt they would have REMOVED him. Or? |
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Posted By: Hankron
Concerning the legality. For some though not all steroid and related substances, they are illegal until legalized and not the other way around (legal until someone finds out and say they're banned). For the wide range of drug types under their jurisdiction, the substances are not legal until the FDA approves it. |
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Posted By: steve
Great thread... My two cents... |
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Posted By: TBob
It was widely known in that era and even partially admitted by Cobb that he stabbed a man to death in cold blood in an alley prior to his admittance in to the Hall of Fame. So the baseball HOF has their own murderer inducted. |
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Posted By: slacks
Attacked by three men ouside his hotel, Cobb fought back and kept on fighting. He and chased one of the into an alley. The attacker didn't survive. Cobb played the next day. |
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Posted By: steve
Slacks is 100% right about Ty Cobb who in my opinion is the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Ruth. Much tougher to figure out 3rd best with Williams, DiMaggio, Mays, Schmidt, Bench, Bonds or about 10 others. |
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Posted By: Rob L
THG is illegal. It couldn't be detected earlier, however it is an anabolic steroid and therefore is illegal. |
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Posted By: slacks
<<it is an anabolic steroid and therefore is illegal.>> |
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Posted By: TBob
Attacked by three men ouside his hotel, Cobb fought back and kept on fighting. He and chased one of the into an alley. The attacker didn't survive. Cobb played the next day. |
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Posted By: slacks
Just because people describe themselves as “historians” doesn’t make them correct. Testimony on these events is far from conclusive, and it’s not going to get any clearer as time goes by. Only the people who were there that night know what happened, and all the self-appointed experts aren’t going to change that. |
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: steve
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: slacks
You rule, JV |
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: runscott
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My prediction is ...
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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Posted By: Rob L
Actually meant to say that anabolic steroids are not legal in sports. Slacks is right that steroids can be prescribed. My bad! |
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Posted By: Anonymous
This is to all you so called experts on baseball lmao, sorry to disappoint Barry Bonds is not only one of the greatest to ever play the game, and more than likely will become the all-time homerun hitter. what kind of batting averages did maris have? Nothing even close to bonds,just wonder what would have happened if they pitched to him. Im not taking anything away from maris, he was a decent player, but no where near Bonds.Oh yeah who hit in front of and behind Maris? You can put an asterisk by his name by all means this doesnt take away from his achievements. One more thing how many mvps does maris have? I rest my case for all you lawyers in here. |
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Posted By: steve
Julie - Outstanding!!! |
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