Show and tell of your Claude Rossman cards

tedzan · #1 10-25-2012, 03:23 PM

Claude Rossman played 1st base for Cleveland, Detroit, and very briefly for St Louis (AL). He had a great 1907 World Series for Detroit batting .474 (in a losing cause........
Detrot 0 vs. the Cubs 4).

Check this out....Hughie Jennings reportedly was one of the first managers to fine players. Rossman was one of the first to be fined $50 by Jennings for hitting a home run
when he was called on to bunt (ref. SABR).

Rossman's Major League career ended Sept 3, 1909. This fact is most likely the reason as to why Rossman was printed with only five T206 backs (includes SC 350 fac. 30).
Rossman does not exist with AMERICAN BEAUTY 350, BROAD LEAF 350, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE 350, DRUM, El PRINCIPE de GALES, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR or TOLSTOI.

Are there any more Candy, Tobacco (or other products) featuring cards of Rossman......let's see some ?

E96

TED Z

White Borders · #2 10-25-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

... Rossman was printed with only five T206 backs (includes SC 350 fac. 30) ...

TED Z

Hi Ted,

Shouldn't it be "Rossman was printed with only FOUR T206 backs a T213-1 back"?

Btw, nice Type 1 Coupon

Best Regards,
Craig

tedzan · #3 10-26-2012, 12:00 AM

Craig

I consider the 1910 COUPON cards as another T-brand of the T206 family.

The identical T206 fronts (with BROWN captions)....the stylistic design of their backs that is identical to the AMERICAN BEAUTY,
BROAD LEAF, CYCLE and DRUM backs......and, their (circa Spring/Summer) 1910 issue date indicates to me that these cards are
indeed T206's.

Other collectors may differ, and that's their prerogative.

Best regards,

TED Z

tjb1952tjb · #4 10-26-2012, 04:25 AM

My only Claude Rossman................

bbcard1 · #5 10-26-2012, 06:32 AM

No card scans to offer (of course, I have a T206 Piedmont at home) but Rossman is an interesting player. A good hitter who protected Crawford and Cobb during the Tigers' run from 1907 to 1909, he suffered from the yips, ala Steve Blass, Steve Sax and a young Dale Murphy, though his particular brand would cause him to freeze with the ball, which probably led to the end of his career. He died in an insane asylum in the 1940s. Stories like his are the reason I really enjoy collecting the monster. These days, our heroes are a little too antiseptic for me....

jcmtiger · #6 10-26-2012, 12:18 PM

Part of my T206 Detroit set.

Joe

t206hound · #7 10-26-2012, 12:39 PM

I like these two... keepers fo' sho'

peterb69 · #8 10-26-2012, 12:57 PM

Interesting that these 2 both were cut long, stealing the name of the player above them. Wonder if these came from same sheet, same row.

wonkaticket · #9 10-26-2012, 02:00 PM

tedzan · #10 10-26-2012, 02:09 PM

Hey guys,

Some nice looking Rossman cards.

And, those double-name cards are really cool.

TED Z

tedzan · #11 10-26-2012, 03:29 PM

This is the only other card of Rossman that I know of.

If some one here has this card, please post it.

And then, there are probably some esoteric sets that portray Rossman. If so, let's see them.

John

Cool blank back....and an interesting off-register collar effect on this Rossman.

Thanks,

TED Z

wonkaticket · #12 10-26-2012, 03:57 PM

Thanks Ted, I often wonder if the pencil notes are period and have something to do with the printing process.....I guess we will never know but fun to think about.

Nice cards yourself.

Cheers,

John

Runscott · #13 10-26-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

John, that is super-cool.

sb1 · #14 10-26-2012, 04:56 PM

here you go, highest graded by PSA to boot.

jerrys · #15 10-26-2012, 04:58 PM

rossman44.jpg

sb1 · #16 10-26-2012, 05:03 PM

One more, not listed in the alphabetical checklist.

RCMcKenzie · #17 10-26-2012, 05:19 PM

rossmanb.jpg rossmanf.jpg

tedzan · #18 10-26-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

here you go, highest graded by PSA to boot.

Thanks for posting your Briggs Rossman. Your E97 identifies him with Detroit. But, his E96 has him with Cleveland. Both of these Candy sets were issued circa 1909-10.
This is very strange, since Rossman was traded from Cleveland to Detroit in December 1906.

TED Z.

Tim Zwick · #19 10-26-2012, 10:27 PM

Nice Claude

Seiklis · #20 10-27-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Thanks for posting your Briggs Rossman. Your E97 identifies him with Detroit. But, his E96 has him with Cleveland. Both of these Candy sets were issued circa 1909-10.
This is very strange, since Rossman was traded from Cleveland to Detroit in December 1906.

TED Z.

Yea I've seen some weird things from the candy issues. (Bob Wood's e103 is another odd one) I'm sorta glad this one worked in my favor since I can use the E96 of Rossman for his Cleveland card rather than a W600.

tedzan · #21 10-27-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Seiklis

Yea I've seen some weird things from the candy issues. (Bob Wood's e103 is another odd one) I'm sorta glad this one worked in my favor since I can use the E96 of Rossman for his Cleveland card rather than a W600.

Jack

Great, I'm glad the E96 Rossman works out in your favor. Speaking of Candy card errors....the E97 (Briggs) card of Cy Young (Boston) actually pictures Irv Young.

Perhaps a Net54er has this card and will post it here.

TED Z

tedzan · #22 10-27-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

One more, not listed in the alphabetical checklist.

A really beautiful W600 Rossman....thanks for posting it.

However, I'm not sure I understand...."not listed".

My catalog has both Rossman W600 cards listed....Cleveland (1906) and Detroit (1907).

Best regards,

Ted Z

Eric72 · #23 10-27-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Craig

I consider the 1910 COUPON cards as another T-brand of the T206 family.

The identical T206 fronts (with BROWN captions)....the stylistic design of their backs that is identical to the AMERICAN BEAUTY,
BROAD LEAF, CYCLE and DRUM backs......and, their (circa Spring/Summer) 1910 issue date indicates to me that these cards are
indeed T206's.

Other collectors may differ, and that's their prerogative.

Best regards,

TED Z

Ted,

For what it’s worth, I consider your assertion that 1910 Coupon cards are part of the T206 set to be a valid starting point for a meaningful discussion. While I have very little experience with the Monster, the image of several backs that you posted stands on its own merit, in my humble (and admittedly inexperienced) opinion.

Best Regards,

Eric

tedzan · #24 10-27-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72

Ted,

For what it’s worth, I consider your assertion that 1910 Coupon cards are part of the T206 set to be a valid starting point for a meaningful discussion. While I have very little experience with the Monster, the image of several backs that you posted stands on its own merit, in my humble (and admittedly inexperienced) opinion.

Best Regards,

Eric

I really appreciate your opinion regarding the 1910 COUPON cards.

Many on this forum disagree with my premise....as we have had several discussions on this subject.

Thanks and best regards,

TED Z

jerrys · #25 10-28-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

A really beautiful W600 Rossman....thanks for posting it.

However, I'm not sure I understand...."not listed".

My catalog has both Rossman W600 cards listed....Cleveland (1906) and Detroit (1907).

Best regards,

Ted Z

W600s:
Claude Rossman 1906 First Baseman Cleveland A. L. 1904-06 Uniform
Claude Rossman 1907 Detroit A. L. 1907-09 (Probably none exist)

tedzan · #26 10-28-2012, 09:13 AM

I am going by the listing in the 2011 Vintage BB Standard Catalog. Could you please tell me of your source regarding no Detroit Rossman in the W600 set ?

I'm not questioning this, as I have never seen such a W600 Rossman. But, the only W600 in my collection is Matty; therefore, I am certainly no expert on
these cabinet cards.

Incidently, thanks for posting the Rose Postcard of Rossman....a pretty card.

TED Z

sb1 · #27 10-28-2012, 09:48 AM

Ted,

It was not listed in my old Beckett Alphabetical guide, it was known and listed in the W600 set however. I just stated that in the event someone was using the alphabetical guide.

Scott

tedzan · #28 10-28-2012, 06:09 PM

Thanks Scott for clarifying.

Are you aware of a W600 Rossman with Detroit ?

TED Z

jerrys · #29 10-29-2012, 05:20 AM

Sporting Life initially offered the Detroit Rossman in 1907 and it does appear on the W600 set checklist. However I have not seen or have knowledge of an example of that cabinet card to be in existence. So I stated - probably none exist. There are many players depicted on W600s that were offered after 1906 that are in that category.

tedzan · #30 10-30-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrys

Sporting Life initially offered the Detroit Rossman in 1907 and it does appear on the W600 set checklist. However I have not seen or have knowledge of an example of that cabinet card to be in existence. So I stated - probably none exist. There are many players depicted on W600s that were offered after 1906 that are in that category.

jerrys

I appreciate your insight into these W600 cabinet cards.

Here's my only W600.

TED Z

ChiSoxFan · #31 11-01-2012, 10:31 AM

Here is a list of Claude Rossman cards:

1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
1907-09 Tigers A.C. Dietsche Postcards PC765
1908-09 Rose Company PC760
1909-11 T206
1909 Briggs E97
1909 Tigers Morton's Buster Brown Bread Pins
1909 Tigers Morton's Pennant Winner Bread Pins
1909 Tigers Wolverine News Postcards PC773-3
1910-19 Coupon T213
1910 Philadelphia Caramel E96
1911 Pinkerton T5

tedzan · #32 11-01-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiSoxFan

Here is a list of Claude Rossman cards:

1910-19 Coupon T213

Thanks for this checklist of the Rossman cards.

I have to correct you on the T213 entry.....Claude Rossman exist only in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set.
He was not printed in the T213-2 or T213-3 sets.

TED Z

atx840 · #33 11-01-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

TED Z

I never get tired of seeing this cabinet Ted.

tbob · #34 11-06-2012, 02:33 PM

I have the E97 black and white "proof" Rossman in my collection but I am too lazy to go through the safes and post the scan