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Old 05-14-2013, 09:02 AM
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Can you T206 specialists list the cards that have less than say 20 known that are not considered recognized yet....for example the T206 Red Murray miss spelled variation with only 4 known.

If you have a picture or pictures that would be very much appreciated!!!

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I can think of a couple, but I'm hoping to luck into one before they get recognized. About the longest long shot of all, but till that recognition happens............It's like a free lottery with about the same odds.

There are a large number of not really rare but tough sleepers out there, the data is right there for anyone who wants to put in some time.

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Old 05-14-2013, 10:28 AM
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The Murr'y card is listed/recognized under the heading T206 Errors on page 485 of the 2006 Sports Collectors Digest Standard Catalog of Baseball cards 15th edition(and maybe many other editions and checklists). The one they have catalogued had a Lenox back.

Your card is a recognized error card as far as the accepted checklists go. Whether or not the Murr'y is as well received or appreciated as other errors is a different question.
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Quite a few of them went in REA last year:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/223.html
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/216.html
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/217.html

I can understand why you're interesting in these types of cards - could be terrific investments in years to come. Good luck getting your hands on them.
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What I do not understand if they are not that collected why such high prices on them I mean the Murray sells for way more than the Demmitt or O'Hara variation cards.

Price history on the 4 known Murray cards (known) on Card Target:

Raw sold for 3069$ in 2003
My SGC 20 sold for 3175$ in 2013
SGC 30 sold for 4763$ in 2009
SCG 50 sold for 8812$ in 2007

I mean when look at these prices they are up there with some of the real good T206 cards even passing a few. This card comes up once every 2-4 years I bet if they came up a little more often the price would be threw the ceiling.

When I see such prices there must be a strong enough demand out there!!

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Old 05-14-2013, 03:20 PM
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Those are mighty fine looking cards and very cool as well I would not mind owning 2 of the 3 (the 1st and 3rd card) you listed. The double name on the jersey is by far my favorite I like it more than my Murray for sure.

They sold for super high prices there must be a strong demand for these.

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Are there any ghost images that compare to the Wilson? That is truely amazing!
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Those are mighty fine looking cards and very cool as well I would not mind owning 2 of the 3 (the 1st and 3rd card) you listed. The double name on the jersey is by far my favorite I like it more than my Murray for sure.

They sold for super high prices there must be a strong demand for these.

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Adri@n, the Murr'y card will go for more money than the Demmitt or O'Hara because it is more rare. Though you are right that sometimes if a card is too obscure it can suppress its price.

Personally, I think that they are fantastic investments and significantly undervalued. I am far from an expert in the T206 error card market and it's not what I collect, but the Murr'y/Nodgrass/Dopner are terrific and very rare as far as error cards go. With people craving everything T206 related, as long as that continues the cards should reach strong prices.

It would be mind-blowing if you got your hands on a Nodgrass and Dopner to match your Murr'y... just my opinion. Good luck in REA.
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Adrian....here's the thread on the blue old mill......makes for an interesting read! Dave.http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=blue+old+mill
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Yes I agree all 3 together would be a fun challenge. I think I will add that to my list of goals in this hobby. So now I have 3 goals that actually feels good and gives me a smile. Another goal is I want to buy as many different Mantle cards in PSA 8 as I can I just picked up 10 of them in the last few days....I will keep my 52 Topps Mantle in PSA 4 since it looks more like a 5 and when I buy the 51 Bowman I will go after a PSA 5....the rest will have to be all well centered PSA 8's.

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i have three of them.

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Are they for sale? Or part of your collection?

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nodgrass Murr'y and Dopner are terrible investments, in my opinion. They are not errors - they are at best misprints. Nobody mispelled Snodgrass or Dorner. Nobody used an apostrophe to spell Murray. They are popular by trend.

As more people discover weirdo printing defects, the less interesting these will become, eg, backwards commas, floating 8s, etc.

Spend your money on true errors like Magie. Save up for that one for sure. Leave the rest to the freak bandwagon!

Just my humble opinion....
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I will keep it that does not mean I will not buy the card (Magie) you mentioned I will some time in the near future. I enjoy T206 freak cards they are super rare and I like that challenge.

But I do understand you point of view!!!

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I was going to buy a Magie T206 but at this moment the only ones I found for sale have to many stains on them (graded 1's and 2's I do not want a higher grade than that)...I want to get the best for my buck.

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I think you did okay with the Murry. No doubt that it is rare. And you like it! After all that's what counts. It will always be a desirable card. Yes, others may be more desirable to some but there will always be those that admire and appreciate all the differences in card prints. and blah blah blah...ok I'll stop rambling. Dave.
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nodgrass Murr'y and Dopner are terrible investments, in my opinion. They are not errors - they are at best misprints. Nobody mispelled Snodgrass or Dorner. Nobody used an apostrophe to spell Murray. They are popular by trend.

As more people discover weirdo printing defects, the less interesting these will become, eg, backwards commas, floating 8s, etc.

Spend your money on true errors like Magie. Save up for that one for sure. Leave the rest to the freak bandwagon!

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explain why a miscut card is a good investment? how about a name at the top of a card? a missing ink run? or anything else for that matter?

a good investment is something that will go up in value. unless you have a magic ball you dont really know what will go up or down. who would have thought PSA is gong to attach a -2 to qualifying cards. people who had them are pounding sand right now. you can't give them away.

based on what you are saying, the only sound investment is a perfectly average high population card which looks and feels like the rest of them.

not sure about you guys, but i go by supply and demand. when there are only a few and i have not seen one for sale in 3 years, i buy it.

if you listen to them and want to sell your murr'y....ill buy it. it is the last one i need for my set.

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"explain why a miscut card is a good investment? how about a name at the top of a card? a missing ink run."

They are not either. They are already priced sky high. My rule of thumb is that if the glitch in the T206 happened in 1952 Topps, and the Topps would be worthless, then it is a T206 collector fad. Not an investment.

"based on what you are saying, the only sound investment is a perfectly average high population card which looks and feels like the rest of them."

True error cards can be a good investment. I'm betting minor type defects based on a scrap of dust in the printing plate won't. To each his own.

"not sure about you guys, but i go by supply and demand. when there are only a few and i have not seen one for sale in 3 years, i buy it."

You might consider buying when demand is low. Not now.
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No it will remain in my collection probably till I pass away (I am only 32 years old). I do not intend to sell any of my cards I would rather give them to my only niece once I get to old and can't be part of the hobby anymore...I know this is far from the answer you are hopping for but I am telling you the truth. I know how it feels to want a card and not been able to buy one believe me!!!

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I'll add one to the mix - Marquard comma error. Here's mine:

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Quite a few of them went in REA last year:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/223.html
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/216.html
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/217.html

I can understand why you're interesting in these types of cards - could be terrific investments in years to come. Good luck getting your hands on them.
The Tinker in the third link is one of the ones I was thinking of. Only two known so far, and the first was treated more harshly here than the blue Old Mill.

The others are minor, so they won't get much interest unless someone publicizes them.

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ah...it is all so clear to me.

i saw that card for sale for 5k on ebay. i was half tempted to buy it then but i assumed it would come down in price or i could bargian. boy was i wrong about that one huh.

still kicking myself about that. however at the time 5k was to much for me to spend. by the time it went to auction i could have bought it no problem and i ended up with the dopner card.

i almost didn't even get that one. my last bid was literally the end of the rope for me. i clicked and prayed.

watched that tinker go to 17k and cried.

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none are for sale at this point. at some time in the future i may be williing to part with one to fund another purchase but im far from needing the cash.

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I think if you were able to look at enough t206's, you would find plenty of other cards with things similar to the Murr'y, Shappe, Dopner, Nodgrass.

There is also the Mitchell, Toront...missing the O

You can find the Hemphill card with part of his name missing, I've seen at least six examples of that, someone here has four.

I have the Griffith card with the last 2 1/2 letters of Cincinnati missing and I've seen another one of those.

I found this card a couple weeks ago. This one isn't missing letters, or part of a letter, it has a legit problem at the end. How many would you need to see to make it a recognized card? Not even sure how you would explain it if it was a recognized error
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I think if you were able to look at enough t206's, you would find plenty of other cards with things similar to the Murr'y, Shappe, Dopner, Nodgrass.

There is also the Mitchell, Toront...missing the O

You can find the Hemphill card with part of his name missing, I've seen at least six examples of that, someone here has four.

I have the Griffith card with the last 2 1/2 letters of Cincinnati missing and I've seen another one of those.
Exactly. With the proliferation of T206 and T206 collectors on the internet with iphones and scanners at the ready, there will be dozens of these things. The only reason nodgrass gets a premium is because he was discovered early on and then collectors/dealers who found them promoted them as errors. I have just never bought into that.
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I'll add one to the mix - Marquard comma error. Here's mine:

Hey, I have that. Never even thought twice about it. What's the upside?
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Just received the Murray error card last night...I must say pretty cool looking card...the front looks great for a card graded a 1...the back looks bad but that is expected from a card in this grade.

Link for those who have yet to see the card:

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Thanks...but the back looks pretty bad even for a 1...but I guess with only 4 known so far....it is acceptable. If there was 100 known I would have been pickier...but at this survival rate one can't be choosy!!! I am quite sure there are more out there but am also pretty sure that less than 100 exist for sure....probably more like 20 or so exist but I may be wrong and there may be less than 10 who really knows.

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