For Vintage Prices...If not Beckett's then...

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

The new Beckett's quarterly indicates most T-206's going up. Beckett's is arguably the best all-around periodical price-guide. If Beckett's quarterly is the best then who is.

Peter

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I assume this is a joke.

vintagecardprices.com

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

....laughing at both....

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Posted By: Bobby Binder

Jim,

Your not even a member and you are recommending my site.

Thanks

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Posted By: peter chao

Jim, Frank

We all know that the most up to date prices are on the internet. I'm thinking hard copy here guys...when you go to the bathroom which price guide do you pick up. If not Beckett's then...

Peter

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Posted By: peter chao

Bobby,

I suppose that vintagecardprices is the next hot internet price guide...but I'm sure that even you will look at a hard copy price guide once in a while. Well...which periodical would you pick up.

Peter

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Posted By: leon

The 2007 Krause Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards is about as good as it gets for vintage card prices, in a periodical, imo. I was thumbing through it this morning and noted how many of the prices are spot on. Of course the drastic swings in the very best cards make it obsolete from day one...but it's still pretty good. It seems the more scarce, of higher the grade, the more the Krause is off, which makes sense.....regards

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Posted By: T206Collector

...Peter, but looking at a periodical hard-copy price guide is essentially like reading a book full of numbers that don't mean anything.

For actual market activity and value of cards in the market the only guide that approaches accuracy is vintagecardprices.com. This is a historic resource -- something that has never been available. To now use a hard copy price publication would be like using an Encyclopedia Brittanica from the 1970's to write a research paper on the Space Shuttle.

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Posted By: Bobby Binder

I would not even bother with any periodical because by the time they print them and distribute they are out date.

My solution to you if you want to see prices in the can is to hook up a wireless in your place and sit with your laptop and check my site.

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Posted By: joe

Bobby, I would like to try your site, but everytime I attempt to register I get kicked off the internet. I have AOL, and tried to go thru the SGC site also, same results. I have no problem with any other web sites.

Joe

Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Bobby,

Its high time I joined--I can only mooch off others who subscribe for so long(kidding a bit).

Send me info and I will join.

Jim

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Posted By: Cobby33

I prefer Lemke's SCD. (I don't think this is the same as the guide Leon referred to). The prices are off, but, the checklisting, photos and set histories are awesome.

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Posted By: leon

It is Lemke's SCD by Krause I am referring to.......I just read the side of it and used that....

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Posted By: Cobby33

I did the same after I posted and came to the same conclusion. GMTA!

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Posted By: Dave

Bobby is right...anything already in print, how can you expect to be "current" values? An out of date price guide, is probably about half the money of what it would cost to join vintagecardprices.....I don't understand some people that spends thousands of dollars on cards but then get cheap everywhere else...

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Posted By: barry arnold

With respect to hard copy, I believe that Leon is correct about the
2007 SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.
I was pleasantly surprised to see how accurate a number of the
T206 prices were. Granted the figures are only 'ballparkish' but still
pretty good ,particularly for the VG category. Yes, there are a number of
exceptions to the 'ballparkish' accuracy.
I particularly like the chronological index at the end of the volume which
not only makes it easier to find what you may be after but also gives you
an interesting glimpse of other issues of cards for the same time period which may have slipped your mind. With all due respect to Rich et al, i've had a very difficult time finding what i was after in the Beckett volume and also noted that
Beckett tends to keep the same narratives about the various issues (n.b.
2006 Beckett repeats some 2005 narratives verbatim,without referring to
new research relative to the various issues,vintage particularly. Still,
its contribution to the field of baseball cards has been tremendous. It
just needs quite a bit of rewriting to get it up to date methinks.

all the best,

barry

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Posted By: Jay

Beckett has doubled the prices of commons and HOFers previously around 500 up to around 1000. The Mathewsons and Johnsons are now listed in the 2K range. Its about time that Beckett caught up with the increased prices.

T206kid

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Posted By: fkw

The key word is "Guide"

SCD (Krause) Standard Catalog is the best for info on vintage cards and as a guide (est.) of their values. Beckett is for new stuff.

Crazy people with thick wallets paying crazy $$ will screw up any guides accuracy. This is true for any collectible.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

The Standard Catalog, until Mr. Lemke starts his own.

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

What do you think of the vintage prices in SMR. Are they in the ballpark for graded cards.

Peter

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Posted By: barrysloate

We just had a long thread about the SMR on the board over the weekend. Check thread started by Bruce Dorskind.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

If you are buying graded cards you want the most up-to-date info on pricing. Thus vintagecardprices.com

If you buy ungraded(does anybody buy ungraded cards anymore?)good luck!

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Posted By: peter chao

Jim,

Your the one that is out of touch, from the dealers I speak with, apparently more than 50% of their customers buy ungraded cards. I suppose if it's a card in excess of $200, it's important to buy graded. But otherwise, I would be just as likely to buy an ungraded card from a dealer I know and trust.

Peter

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Posted By: Dave

I really just concentrate on T206's...at least lately...Vintagecardprices if the best for following up to date auction prices....as far as for ungraded...www.t206.net is pretty fair in letting you know about ebay auctions for ungraded and graded...it just doesn't show all the ones vintagecardprices has, but it does show ungraded and BIN's

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

I have found that the best place for card prices has been the SCD then auction realizations. I think it was said best here already, there're only GUIDES, bid what you think it's worth to you and you should come out ok most of the time, win or lose. IMO

As for who buys raw cards I DO. I would say that 90% of my collection is raw. But I have no problem with graded cards. I just love my cards in BINDERS!!! Binders RULE!!! So just to inform those who may not know, there're many great collections and many rare cards (yes high grade ones too) still RAW. I would think that about 40-50% (besides T206's and 52 Topps , man there is a ton of those on Ebay these days) of the cards out there are in graded form today. Maybe a little less than that. Sorry I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread (which I am sure I just did) but I don't understand it when people assume that if it's not graded it must not be out there and mine must be the best on the planet by now just because the pop reports says it is. Sorry just a little venting. Raw cards rule!!!

My 2¢
Trevor Hocking

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Posted By: barrysloate

Trevor- add my two cents to your two cents. Now we have four cents...plus we agree there are still many collectors who prefer cards raw. Good for them, if they are happy I am happy.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Peter and Trevor,

Obviously I was kidding.

Jim

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Posted By: peter chao

Trevor,

I agree with you a 100%. Raw cards rule or will do so very soon. Pretty soon people will have no idea whether they should go with SGC, PSA or what not.

At that point in time they will simply buy raw cards and wait it out. When a clear market leader in the grading business emerges, that's when people will start buying graded cards again.

Peter