need help big time cobb green back experts

[sflayank]

2 different cards same psa #
which is real or are both real

[atx840]

If I size and align the Cobbs then you can see the example on the right (#2) slip font is off. The example on the left (#1) lines up perfectly with several other PSA SC examples.

Cobb #2 appears to be trimmed and in a bad/cracked slab.

[sflayank]

ok
but that doesnt tell me if either of the cards is real
so im guessing #2 is fake

[Fred]

Those do not like like the same card. How is that possible with the same cert#? Who ever owns the card on the right should allow PSA to investigate and follow through with prosecution because it is their reputation at stake. IMO PSA should take high res scans of each high dollar vintage card that is certed and maintain that image in a database.

[atx840]

jiggly.

[buymycards]

Look at the barcodes. They are different. The cards are different. Both cards look OK, but it is hard to tell for sure from the scans. Do you have scans of the backs? I would like to look at the front through a loupe.

[atx840]

Fred, that slip is not from PSA. Scanner brand and resolution will not affect the font spacing/kerning.

If a decent knockoff Rolex can pass as real I'm sure 10c slabs can be easily fabricated.

Scott, maybe the scammers are reading our feedback to improve their fakes.

[sflayank]

im asking the prewar "experts" on this board if they can tell if the card is fake from the scans...or if the holder is fake or if the label is fake...very simple question that requires a yes or no answer to those questions
if you cant tell u cant tell if youre sure youre sure

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by sflayank

im asking the prewar "experts" on this board if they can tell if the card is fake from the scans...or if the holder is fake or if the label is fake...very simple question that requires a yes or no answer to those questions
if you cant tell u cant tell if youre sure youre sure

Rule #1 when asking for help or advice in this forum:

Don't act like a jackass by referring to the experts here as "experts". You might want to check your attitude at the door next time. There are bona-fide experts that frequent this forum that can help although with your attitude, I'm not sure why they'd want to.

[sflayank]

the other cobb is on its way back to psa for authentication
i hope that yours is the real one
thanks
larry

for the other comment i always thought expert was a compliment
but i guess in 2013 we're speaking doubletalk(aldous huxley)

[thunderdan]

I feel very confident that mine is real--certainly the flip is correct and the holder has not been breached. And in the event it wasn't, I've done enough business with and trust Rob Lifson enough to know that he would make things right.

One of the reasons I like doing business with REA.

[atx840]

You misspelled "thanks everyone for your input so far"

[npa589]

Originally Posted by atx840

you misspelled "thanks everyone for your input so far"

+1

:d --- well, this is supposed to be the "big grin" green guy, but it's refusing to work. I put D, it puts d.

[RGold]

Originally Posted by npa589

+1

:d --- well, this is supposed to be the "big grin" green guy, but it's refusing to work. I put d, it puts d.

i have not been able to use the green grinny for several days.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by RGold

i have not been able to use the green grinny for several days.

You can cut and past these if it happens again.

[smtjoy]

The only thing I can certain is the 2nd flip is fake, anything else I would say would be a guess.

Could be a trimmed real card
Could be a fake card
Could be a fake slab
Could be a real but tampered slab

Wish I could help more

[insccollectibles]

Larry,

I think everyone here is really trying to help you out. Simply the second scan is most likely a fake. The "L" in sweet caporal doesn't line up as well. I'm sorry your friend is out of his investment.

[sflayank]

thanks to all those with serious imput

[thunderdan]

Originally Posted by sflayank

thanks to all those with serious imput

I don't know if you'd consider this serious input, but I own the Cobb on the left (Cobb #1). Recent purchase from REA.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by atx840

You misspelled "thanks everyone for your input so far"

I laughed.

[npa589]

Yea, me too, I really thought that line was hilarious...

Anyway, about the important issue --- this is rather disturbing. I wish the scan was of higher resolution so that we could really analyze the card without it in hand.

Originally Posted by ZachS

I laughed.

[andy]

My opinion... First card/case/slip is legit. Second has fake slip and fake card front in a real case.

[atx840]

This new fake PSA 7 Cobb is up for auction next month, wonder what other cards have been fabricated.

[danmckee]

The scumbag selling these fakes approached me about a month ago. He offered to mail them to me first and wanted to trade for my legit graded cards. I told him he could get into big trouble doing this and that I was going to contact my friend at the FBI.

I would have posted on the board to warn all of you as I used to do but I am no longer active here thanks to a few idiots that chased me away.

I am sure those idiots bring more to the table than me with information considering my 43 years of collecting.

Hopefully I will see my close friends here at the National.

Dan Mckee

[atx840]

Another one?

[andy]

+1

[robw]

Just plain scary. I still think there should be some sort of invisible stamp that the TPG's should use that the industry would accept....in addition to scanning every single graded card. if someone can replicate a holder and card that well, change is a must!

[xcgrammer]

Originally Posted by atx840

Another one?

This to me is very much not real? Anyone else agree?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by xcgrammer

This to me is very much not real? Anyone else agree?

Font looks right. Card looks right. Back looks right. What problems are you seeing with this PSA 7? Can't speak for the holder but the card looks good to me.

[andy]

In my opinion... the 7 shares several printing anomalies with the second card at the start of this thead. Left shoulder too bright, right ear too dark, "R" in Detroit too bold, No printers marks at top and bottom of frame. It doesn't look like a typical Cobb green portrait to me. Just my opinion. Not a statement of fact.

[atx840]

Just heard from Sports Card Link and the PSA 7 green Cobb was checked by Mr Orlando and verified not authentic. Nice to see an AH pull the auction, resubmit and be open about it.

[npa589]

Very good to hear, and thanks for pointing this out Chris!

Originally Posted by atx840

Just heard from Sports Card Link and the PSA 7 green Cobb was checked by Mr Orlando and verified not authentic. Nice to see an AH pull the auction, resubmit and be open about it.