Future HOFers

[theshleps]

I am going to be selling maybe 20,000 signed cards 1990-2012. I want to pull out all potential future HOFers. Which players who played any years during that time period (or managed) have a good shot at the HOF. Of course Cabrera, Ichiro, Jeter. Thanks in advance for your input

[trdcrdkid]

Pujols. Rivera. Griffey.

[kevinlenane]

Ortiz

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by kevinlenane

Ortiz

I think Ortiz will have a little difficulty in the short run, after having tested positive for steroids in the initial 2003 testing (results of which were supposed to have remained confidential, but did not in many cases).

Collect him if you like him,

Larry

[bcbgcbrcb]

I would go with Pujols, V Guerrero, Griffey Jr, Kershaw, F Hernandez, Thome, Trout & M Rivera.

[ksabet]

Going way into the future I would say Trout, McCutchen and possibly Harper.

[sycks22]

Beltre

[sayhey24]

Ortiz will have trouble making the Hall because of PEDs.

Greg

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by sayhey24

Ortiz will have trouble making the Hall because of PEDs.

Greg

Don't be shocked if at some point sooner than later the hall's voter's stand on PEDs moderates.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by sycks22

Beltre

A very good bet there, I think. Exceptional hitting production for a third baseman, and great in the field.

Larry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

A very good bet there, I think. Exceptional hitting production for a third baseman, and great in the field.

Larry

I dunno. Yes to what you say, but on the other hand, one HR title, one hits title, no MVPs, only 4 all star selections, and who but a hardcore fan could even tell you where he played? EDIT TO ADD If he keeps going and gets to 3000 hits, then I think his odds vastly improve. If not, he may be Dave Parker.

[trdcrdkid]

Trout, Kershaw, and (to a lesser extent) McCutchen are certainly on a HOF pace, but they're still early enough in their careers that they're more of a gamble. If they keep up what they've been doing for another 5-10 years, then they'll definitely be HOFers, but if their careers ended today, they wouldn't. Cabrera, Pujols, and Ichiro have done enough to be HOFers even if they retired today.

[packs]

Guys who haven't been named yet:

Jorge Posada (eventually)
Ivan Rodriguez (probably)
Chipper Jones
Omar Vizquel (eventually)
Roy Halladay (maybe)
Buster Posey (might be the greatest catcher of all time one day)


A word to the wise re: Kershaw / Felix. I'd be very careful. Johan looked like a lock too after winning 2 CYs and 3 ERA titles. Things ended much differently than they started.

[trdcrdkid]

As a manager, Bruce Bochy (4 pennants and 3 World Series in 21 years, so far).

[Wayne]

Still early on some on my list and some should be and or maybe one day (this list is just partial list keep in mind drugs off the field attitudes also play into HOF some may never get in PED I hope never get it, and probable most controversial list and some will argue but you asked potential)
Larry Walker
Don Mattingly
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Juan Gonzalez
Miguel cabrera
Derek Jeter
Albert Pujols
Dave Justice
Fred McGriff
Kenny Lofton
Clayton Kershaw
Andrew McCutchen
Buster Posey
Mike Trout
Kevin Millwood- Millwood was part of a pitching rotation which featured Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. In 1999 he was selected to his only All-Star Game and helped the Braves to the 1999 World Series and two seasons later the 2001 National League Championship Series. As a member of the Indians, his 2.86 ERA lead all American League pitchers,Millwood made his debut with the Atlanta Braves on July 14, 1997. A year later, he won 17 games. Millwood formed a part of the Braves' star pitching rotation, which also consisted of Greg Maddux, John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. According to Nate Silver, the 1997 Braves starting rotation was the best in the history of baseball.[1] Millwood was traded by the Braves to the Philadelphia Phillies for catcher Johnny Estrada in order to cut their payroll in the midst of economic difficulties. He went 14-12 with his new team, including throwing a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants on April 27 coming in the Phillies final season at the stadium.
Nick Markakis--Maybe not so much
Darryl Strawberry
Joe Mauer
Elvis Andrus-- I just like the way he plays plus he was the 2nd youngest to play MLB, I think he MIGHT get in the Texas Rangers HOF
Andruw Jones
George Springer
Justin Morneau
Pudge
Chipper
Ichiro
David Ortiz
Griffey JR
Mariano Rivera
Bryce Harper

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Guys who haven't been named yet:

Jorge Posada (eventually)
Ivan Rodriguez (probably)
Chipper Jones
Omar Vizquel (eventually)
Roy Halladay (maybe)
Buster Posey (might be the greatest catcher of all time one day)


A word to the wise re: Kershaw / Felix. I'd be very careful. Johan looked like a lock too after winning 2 CYs and 3 ERA titles. Things ended much differently than they started.

Sabathia has imploded too.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by packs

Guys who haven't been named yet:

Jorge Posada (eventually)
Ivan Rodriguez (probably)
Chipper Jones
Omar Vizquel (eventually)
Roy Halladay (maybe)
Buster Posey (might be the greatest catcher of all time one day)


A word to the wise re: Kershaw / Felix. I'd be very careful. Johan looked like a lock too after winning 2 CYs and 3 ERA titles. Things ended much differently than they started.

Just a few comments here. Pudge Rodriguez had an immense degree of difficulty explaining to Detroit newspaper writers the diet he had followed in losing 28 pounds one off-season while he was with the Tigers (and with the weight went his power). Just coincidentally of course, the weight loss occurred after steroid testing came in. Should that matter be recalled and discussed when he becomes eligible for the ballot, it may well dampen his chances.

Chipper should be a sure-fire, first-ballot electee, unless I'm not aware of some PED taint.

Posey is a fabulous catcher, but will have trouble dislodging Berra, Campanella and Bench for the title of the greatest of all time, especially with the much-discussed shift to first base, and the fact that he never has had quite the HR power of the other three.

As to Kershaw, I'd never put money on pitchers as sure-bet HOF'ers until nearly the final tally is in. What they do best is get hurt and/or lose their effectiveness. Verlander, for example, pitched himself into the HOF in his twenties, and pitched himself back out (thus far) in his thirties. Another reason to be leery of Kershaw is the fact that much of his effectiveness is due to the trick/hitch delivery, and the fact that the ball seems to suddenly appear from behind his head. The latter worked for Jerod Weaver until his fastball dropped to mid-80's at best, and with respect to the former, hitters often get accustomed to freak deliveries. Kershaw has virtually the exact same stuff as Bumgarner: 93-95 mph fastball, good slider and curve. Both are very good pitchers, but IMHO, Kershaw to date has piled up the better stats due to the hitch/halt in his delivery, and the fact that he hides the ball better than the Giants' ace.

Just my two cents worth,

Larry

[Mark]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Trout, Kershaw, and (to a lesser extent) McCutchen are certainly on a HOF pace, but they're still early enough in their careers that they're more of a gamble. If they keep up what they've been doing for another 5-10 years, then they'll definitely be HOFers, but if their careers ended today, they wouldn't. Cabrera, Pujols, and Ichiro have done enough to be HOFers even if they retired today.

This sounds right to me, and I'd be surprised if Ortiz and Molina don't get in. Among the retired, Jeter, Jones, Halladay, and Rivera seem like sure things to me. There are others, like Beltran and Beltre, who pile up big HOF numbers and who might get the nod even though few have ever talked about them being THE player of the year. Then there is the whole generation of PED era all-stars who will probably get in, after a decent interval.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark

This sounds right to me, and I'd be surprised if Ortiz and Molina don't get in. Among the retired, Jeter, Jones, Halladay, and Rivera seem like sure things to me. There are others, like Beltran and Beltre, who pile up big HOF numbers and who might get the nod even though few have ever talked about them being THE player of the year. Then there is the whole generation of PED era all-stars who will probably get in, after a decent interval.

Halladay had a phenomenal winning percentage but barely passed 200 wins with a relatively short career -- borderline I think. I just don't see Molina -- 100 HR in 12 years so far, .736 OPS, .284 BA. There is a whole host of catchers with stats like that, or better, that aren't in.

[bdk1976]

Kevin Millwood!? Really?

[packs]

Also wondering what you see in Elvis Andus or Nick Markakis.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by packs

Also wondering what you see in Elvis Andus or Nick Markakis.

Decent players, certainly not HoF.

[Joshchisox08]

Long shot but I'd say Buehrle, Pierzynski, and Sale.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Mauer should get in based on what he did for 10 years as a catcher. Just needs to get some counting stats up, and not hit 260


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[midwaylandscaping]

Lots of potentials in that timeframe. One doesn't know how certain players will be viewed down the line / who else gets revealed as a PED guy. I'll stay within the current voting enviroment and stick with guys I feel will deserve to be in, vote or vet committee. Most will be 90's to mid 2k's players off the top of my head so I'll miss some guys. I'll leave the Posey's, Trout's, Mauer's to others

Mariano Rivera
Mike Piazza
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Mike Mussina
Lee Smith
Adrian Beltre
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Ken Griffey Jr
Trevor Hoffman
Fred McGriff
Ivan Rodriguez
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Scott Rolen
Andruw Jones
Omar Vizquel
Todd Helton
Carlos Delgado
Carlos Beltran
Albert Pujols

I've missed some names in there. When Clemens and Bonds are elected it likely opens up the gates a bit for some others like McGwire, Ortiz etc. I like players such as Torii Hunter, Jim Edmonds, Jorge Posada etc but I dunno. I see them getting the Alan Trammell - Dwight Evans style treatment myself. Curt Schilling , Roy Halladay are going to get close if not in IMO, similar to Jack Morris style ballots. Some of the new guys, Harper, Trout, etc. Who knows. You can have 4-5 top notch seasons then it can come crashing down quick (Don Mattingly). Jury is out IMO.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by midwaylandscaping

Lots of potentials in that timeframe. One doesn't know how certain players will be viewed down the line / who else gets revealed as a PED guy. I'll stay within the current voting enviroment and stick with guys I feel will deserve to be in, vote or vet committee. Most will be 90's to mid 2k's players off the top of my head so I'll miss some guys. I'll leave the Posey's, Trout's, Mauer's to others



Mariano Rivera

Mike Piazza

Jim Thome

Larry Walker

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Mike Mussina

Lee Smith

Adrian Beltre

Jeff Kent

Edgar Martinez

Ken Griffey Jr

Trevor Hoffman

Fred McGriff

Ivan Rodriguez

Vladimir Guerrero

Chipper Jones

Scott Rolen

Andruw Jones

Omar Vizquel

Todd Helton

Carlos Delgado

Carlos Beltran

Albert Pujols



I've missed some names in there. When Clemens and Bonds are elected it likely opens up the gates a bit for some others like McGwire, Ortiz etc. I like players such as Torii Hunter, Jim Edmonds, Jorge Posada etc but I dunno. I see them getting the Alan Trammell - Dwight Evans style treatment myself. Curt Schilling , Roy Halladay are going to get close if not in IMO, similar to Jack Morris style ballots. Some of the new guys, Harper, Trout, etc. Who knows. You can have 4-5 top notch seasons then it can come crashing down quick (Don Mattingly). Jury is out IMO.

I'd love for Torii to just get a vote or two. So glad he's back home.


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[midwaylandscaping]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

I'd love for Torii to just get a vote or two. So glad he's back home.


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I think he gets more than a vote or two

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by midwaylandscaping

I think he gets more than a vote or two

He better!


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[packs]

Chris Sale, Clayton Kershaw, and King Felix are all in the Johan Santana / JR Richard boat right now. You can't call any of them a HOFer and none of them have the career to get them in today. Each of them could just as easily become a Johan or JR in the blink of an eye.

Remember Tim Lincecum? He's still pitching for the Giants, not that you would notice.