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Posted By: Wayne
Brand spankin new to the forum, and looking forward to many intellectual conversations with you folks! LOVE THE FORUM!!! |
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Posted By: vetekbob
Welcome to the board Nice to see another T206 fan on the board. I am still pretty new myself but the people here are great and they go out of their way to help one another while having fun at the same time |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I have to be cynical about the very high grade T206 cards. They are true condition rarities. Altered "high grade" stuff is a very big problem. I would rather have a vg-ex collection than a nm-mt collection for that reason. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
It's quite handy. Not perfect, but pretty good nonetheless. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I can't answer how much the psa 4s,5s and 6s are worth but I just concluded a fairly substantial trade that valued T206 commons/minor leaguers ex so.leaguers in psa 8 at $5,500 for pop 1, $3,500 for pop 2, $2,250 for pop 3 and $1,500 for pop 4. Anything above pop 4 was $1,000(all these are psa 8 quotes). Stars depending on pop were generally 25-50% over SMR for PSA 8. |
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Posted By: WP
Don't get caught up in the silly pop game. It seems that the pop figures in many cases are nothing more than statistical anomylies. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
WP, |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Until every t206, and every other cintage cards for the matter, is slabbed, pop reports are totally meaningless. All it takes is a few big high grade collections to get slabbed and pop reports are screwed. And there are plenty of high grade cards out there tha haven't seen a slab yet. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
"until every vintage card is slabbed pop reports are totally meaningless". |
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Posted By: wayne
lets figure on common 4,5,6's for common 8 or 9's, and HOF's the same way. I dont really get into the backs game, so lets just for simplicity sake say Peidmonts, and Sweet Caporal's. THANKS! |
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Posted By: PASJD
Did I read that log in correctly? |
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Posted By: PASJD
They don't capture every card obviously, but I would think by this point they are at least statistically significant in most cases as to scarcity, difficulty of finding cards in high grade vs. low grade, etc. One heck of a lot of cards have been graded, even if there are lots of unslabbed ones out there. |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
is part of virtually every advanced collector's collection. Most of these were put together in the pre-slab era. There are wheelbarrows full of high grade T206s that haven't been slabbed. If there is no real reason for a particular card to have a "low pop", the number means nothing. To pay a premium is really a mistake, IMO. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
my point is, there are still a number of significant collections out there owned by long time colelctors that will not be slabbed, and will never be slabbed until the cards find new owners. Without even giving much thought, I can think of at least a dozen major vintage collection that are still raw and will remain that way. I'm sure there are far more collections like this out there since I know that I don't know all the new collectors that have come into the hobby since '91 and what they have bought. |
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Posted By: tbob
I think Richard is right, I know in my T206 near set I have several cards I think might give a run at a PSA 7 or 8 but I want to keep the set all together in the mylar pocket pages in their binder and not have all raw but a couple slabs. Based on this logic, it stands to reason that there are others out there who have T206 near sets completed a while back who don't have the inclination to send some of their cards in for slabbing. |
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Posted By: John
I agree Pop-Reports mean nothing. I’m sure there are other examples of most all cards, which have yet to be slabbed. These cards are in many private collections. I myself have cards which I have never slabbed I’ve never even sent a card to a grading company until last week. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...in this thread is that some meaningful percentage of PSA 7+ graded T206 cards are either trimmed or way overgraded (or trimmed and way overgraded). I like to see the pop report on SGC's website because I am only competing with other SGC collectors. PSA grades of T206 are way too inconsistent to actually mean anything, let alone serve as a pricing mechanism. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
T206 Collector, |
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Posted By: Rob
I would tend to think that most in this forum would try to get the best grade they can. The trade of a few lessers for one greater might be okay with those completing the set, but maybe not for singles collectors. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Population reports, although potentially misleading for a number of reasons, are hardly meaningless to collectors who are purchasing slabbed cards. This is not to create yet another referendum on the actual worth of such slabbing. It is simply to say that such reports give an indication of the availability of certain cards within the parameters of the sub-group of those particular cards that have been slabbed by certain third-party graders. |
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Posted By: vetekbob
Am I the only one that feels that the original question and intent of this thread has gotten hijacked as it were? The question was about how might he go about making trades in his T206 set and what might he look for and be aware of so that he could upgrade his personal collection without losing his rear on it. The question that was asked WASNT about do you agree or disagree with population reports or even card grading for that matter and yet this thread has turned into an arguement on population reports without trying to help the author of the post for the most part. I dont feel he asked the question to start a pro or anti population report debate. He didnt state he was soley concerned about population reports. He said he was a collector in a specific grade range. Some people can collect graded cards and at the same time not care about having the very best set in the world per some grading companies standards. I tried to help the gentleman but I am too new on the set to be able to do so in the manner he asked. Is there a seasoned T206 collector that can possibly help him with some tips and sage advice in this area without using his honest question as a chance to jump on a personal bandwagon? |
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Posted By: dennis
i think you could find the answer by checking the psa smr for a graded 5 t206 and then check for a graded 8 (same t206)and come to a conclusion based on this price guide.seems simple to me. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Something else that hasn't been mentioned about pop reports is the cracking and resubmitting of cards. Say thre is only one PSA9 of a given card. How many of the 7s and 8s are actually cracks and resubs? This alone skews population data. And how about the card that 30 plus PSA8 with none higher. How many are resubs that were sent back trying to get the first 9? Statistically, population reports are completely unreliable. |
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Posted By: wayne
your right Vetekbob!!!! This HAS turned into a debate of sorts regarding pop reports. I just wanted to know how many PSA, GAI, or SGC 5's I would need to trade to recieve a 8 or a 9??? COMMONS FOR COMMONS AND HOF'S FOR HOF's. Now if what everybody is saying is it has a lot to do with the pop reports....I get it...believe me I get it. Im just lookin to upgrade my collection from predominently 4 and 5's to eventually 8 or 9's....thats all. |
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Posted By: John
Wayne; |
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Posted By: Judge Dred
Wayne, |
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Posted By: Wayne
Thanks for the last two responses, as thay have been rather informative. Actually Dredd, I'd never considered the fact that my Graded 5's would be an attractive collection if I stayed with that same baseline. I never knew of the skeptisism so may had toward high graded t-206's, but after reading some of the posts on this topic, I'm mildly suprised to read so many WARY of these grades, even by grading companies with long histories. Maybe I am simply already doing the right thing, and collecting mid-grade t-206's....at least people will consider those more genuine and comforting since so many are SCARED of 8,9, or heaven forbid a 10:) Then again, maybe I am just niave. What does everybody think, Is this a reasonable line of thinking...should I just keep collecting mid-grade t-206 material, and be happy with this??? Let me know. THANKS |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
PSA has been around a long time but has ****ed up a lot lately and has lost a lot of good personnel (for example, the GAI start-up). Past performance is not a reliable indicator of current skills. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred
HARRIS COLLECTION |
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Posted By: Darren J. Duet
There are many, many more t206's raw than graded. I'd guestimate 10 to 1. |
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