PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

is a scam a legal term of art? News to me. It's fraud. Period. Ask yourself why, if it didn't matter, he didn't just disclose it?

Thats always your fallback argument on everything but thats the the industry standard. I dont see every fault put on a card. It may not matter there is a micro spec on a card (that cant be seen in the picture ) as well to a seller but maybe to one buyer out there it could matter. Thus, just knowing someone may bid less if they knew something isnt enough to prove a scam.

Im sure you have sold card on net54 and not disclosed things. Maybe its because you dont think they were material, however, as you say 'ask yourself, if it didnt matter, why not disclose it'

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I for one appreciate you posting about this. Could you please post a timeline of ownership and card grade during their ownership to the best of your knowledge? Thank you!

Originally Posted by Whodunit

I don't know who consigned it to REA, but I know who won it in REA. So, a timeline prior to "final value" in their auction, I can't even begin to speculate on. From the time that it sold in REA to date though, I can FAR MORE than speculate.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Thats always your fallback argument on everything but thats the the industry standard. I dont see every fault put on a card. It may not matter there is a micro spec on a card (that cant be seen in the picture ) as well to a seller but maybe to one buyer out there it could matter. Thus, just knowing someone may bid less if they knew something isnt enough to prove a scam.

Im sure you have sold card on net54 and not disclosed things. Maybe its because you dont think they were material, however, as you say 'ask yourself, if it didnt matter, why not disclose it'

I was the buyer that Brent sold the card to. He bought the card as an SGC 50. He doctored it. He sold it to me as a PSA 7 WITHOUT DISCLOSING MATERIAL FACTS that HE KNEW would have affected my decision. So, with that argument, tell me how Peter is wrong? I paid 75K for a card that I wouldn't have paid 5K for had the truth been DISCLOSED.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

I was the buyer that Brent sold the card to. He bought the card as an SGC 50. He doctored it. He sold it to me as a PSA 7 WITHOUT DISCLOSING MATERIAL FACTS that HE KNEW would have affected my decision. So, with that argument, tell me how Peter is wrong? I paid 75K for a card that I wouldn't have paid 5K for had the truth been DISCLOSED.

I understand, but you were personally involved in this case and your opinion is baised (doesnt mean you could be absolutely right)

Just saying that you agreeing with Peter doesnt support Peter's argument due to bias..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I understand, but you were personally involved in this case and your opinion is baised (doesnt mean you could be absolutely right)

Just saying that you agreeing with Peter doesnt support Peter's argument due to bias..

What on earth are you talking about? What better proof of materiality than from the very guy who bought the card not knowing the information?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What on earth are you talking about? What better proof of materiality than from the very guy who bought the card not knowing the information?

right what on earth am i talking about. If there was a trial on a 1952 Mantle being doctored and reholdered, you think the judge would allow that guy (the poster that bought the dimaggio) on the jury? I think he would be considered biased. People have disagreed with you that had nothing to do with the actuall card that was bought or sold.

i just value the opinions more of people that werent actually involved about the transaction being a scam or not. As far as what facts occured, yes, I would want to know it from the people that actually were involved in the transaction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right what on earth am i talking about. If there was a trial on a 1952 Mantle being doctored and reholdered, you think the judge would allow that guy (the poster that bought the dimaggio) on the jury? I think he would be considered biased. People have disagreed with you that had nothing to do with the actuall card that was bought or sold.

i just value the opinions more of people that werent actually involved about the transaction being a scam or not. As far as what facts occured, yes, I would want to know it from the people that actually were involved in the transaction.

I cannot imagine a more valuable opinion on whether a non-disclosed fact is material than that of a guy like Cortney who is a major buyer of vintage cards. I don't know why you keep fighting the obvious, there was fraud here.

[VintageBen]

Wowsers!!!!

[PhillipAbbott79]

This whole chain of events casts a major shadow over the ever so holy bid retraction thread.

"My name is Betsy Huigens; Brent and I own PWCC Auctions. Our company has always considered the integrity of our auctions to be our number one priority. We take a proactive approach towards monitoring bidders and taken action when appropriate. The purpose of this post is to announce the next phase of policing. I’ve historically monitored and managed our comments on the message boards (like this one), so I know how important auction integrity is to the collecting community. It gives me great personal satisfaction to take the next step in ensuring our venue is the most trusted and honest marketplace in the world."

"As such, it is our strong belief that in due time, problematic behavior will become a thing of the past. We encourage other eBay sellers to take a similar stance and aid us in supporting the integrity of the eBay platform.Again, the integrity of our auctions is our number one priority. We ask that the collecting community on this board and others assist PWCC in identifying concerning bid behavior on any of our auctions. Please notify PWCC of any suspicious behavior by sending an email to bidmonitoring@pwccauctions.com. I can be reached at betsy@pwccauctions.com if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions. We thank everyone for their commitment to the hobby"

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

This whole chain of events casts a major shadow over the ever so holy bid retraction thread.

"My name is Betsy Huigens; Brent and I own PWCC Auctions. Our company has always considered the integrity of our auctions to be our number one priority. We take a proactive approach towards monitoring bidders and taken action when appropriate. The purpose of this post is to announce the next phase of policing. I’ve historically monitored and managed our comments on the message boards (like this one), so I know how important auction integrity is to the collecting community. It gives me great personal satisfaction to take the next step in ensuring our venue is the most trusted and honest marketplace in the world."

"As such, it is our strong belief that in due time, problematic behavior will become a thing of the past. We encourage other eBay sellers to take a similar stance and aid us in supporting the integrity of the eBay platform.Again, the integrity of our auctions is our number one priority. We ask that the collecting community on this board and others assist PWCC in identifying concerning bid behavior on any of our auctions. Please notify PWCC of any suspicious behavior by sending an email to bidmonitoring@pwccauctions.com. I can be reached at betsy@pwccauctions.com if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions. We thank everyone for their commitment to the hobby"

I agree theres an added component here as the auction house owner was the one involved on this card when it got reholdered. Theres a bit of an ethical conflict there. Usually i would imagine when something like this happens to a card, its not being sold at an auction house where the owner of the auction was involved. This is an unusual situation.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I understand, but you were personally involved in this case and your opinion is baised (doesnt mean you could be absolutely right)

Just saying that you agreeing with Peter doesnt support Peter's argument due to bias..

That makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. My response was in regards to not being told that the card was doctored. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that hell yes, my opinion is biased. I said that in a previous statement. I also said that had the information about the cards history BEEN DISCLOSED, I wouldn't have paid 5K for it. That is a material fact considering Brent knew for a fact that if he'd told me that the card was doctored I'd have had zero interest in it. Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, and how many times we talked about bad sheep in the hobby and what they do to cards to get them in certain holders, to say that withholding that particular tidbit of information was negligible is akin to saying that the Pope is Baptist.
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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

That makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. My response was in regards to not being told that the card was doctored. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that hell yes, my opinion is biased. I said that in a previous statement. I also said that had the information about the cards history BEEN DISCLOSED, I wouldn't have paid 5K for it. That is a material fact considering Brent knew for a fact that if he'd told me that the card was doctored I'd have had zero interest in it. Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, and how many times we talked about bad sheep in the hobby and what they do to cards to get them in certain holders, to say that withholding that particular tidbit of information was negligible is akin to saying that the Pope is Baptist.
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If you look at what i said that you quoted i did say 'you could be absolutely right' I just said that you are biased in the situation. Maybe if you made 50k profit on the card you wouldnt be complaining and you are upset because of the bad outcome. Maybe you are just trying to clean up the hobby. Maybe something else. There could be a lot of reasons, i just said that someone in your position would of course complain there was fraud given what transpired.

Peter disagrees with me, but there are other posters here that disagree with Peter. Some say that theres a way to remove substances on a card without even touching the card for instance. Again, i not saying it was not wrong and not saying someone can be pursued for civil damages. However the card is in a PSA 7 holder and was sold as a PSA 7, thats not a Scam in my opinion. (assuming PSA wasnt paid off etc)

Im sure the seller of the card will say this wasnt a scam as well, but i would say he is biased as well.

[Whodunit]

There again, lets not forget why I signed up for this forum today and why I made a few connections with a few people before I started posting. I was informed that what I said would likely be taken with a grain of salt b/c I never post and have no "forum credibility"........so, thanks for that tidbit, Evan Mathis. I signed up for the sole reason of setting the record straight on Brent Huigens, PWCC and the way that they do business.....the lies they tell.........and, in this case, the lies that they fail to mention (pun intended). There was a lot of speculation going on as to what actually transpired with this card from the time it left REA until it just sold through him (again). I'm strictly here to set the record straight, let the community know how Brent does business.

I could really care less about losing the 30K that I lost when I sold the card in Goldin's auction. As part of a portfolio, 30K is negligible in the long run. Anyone with a large collection will tell you that. It's one of the things that I preach. What I do care about is making sure that others don't get burned like I did. Brent earned my trust, but like any rabid dog, when you turn your back, you're gonna get bit. He's a snake in the grass and all of what you guys suggest about him and his company is legitimate and, for the most part, accurate.

Has anyone noticed that Brent is still MIA after being called out several times? All those years of him monitoring this board and telling me not to bother with responding b/c "(he'll) handle it". Yet, now he's...poof....gone. Must be on another monthly vacation somewhere where there's no internet or phone service (like HI. LMAO). I'm guessing his attorneys are telling him to STFU and pray this goes away. Guess what Brent Huigens, this aint goin' away buddy!!!! I know you're reading this, I've already caught wind of some of the remarks that have been made about me TODAY. ;-)

[jfkheat]

Did PWCC recently block all of your eBay ids from bidding on their auctions?
James

[FirstYearCards]

No dog in this fight, but Cortney you say in post #362 "Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, then in post #368 you say "He's a snake in the grass and all of what you guys suggest about him and his company is legitimate and, for the most part, accurate.

Are you saying up until this incident you were clueless as to who you were dealing with?
Could we see these cards you've consigned the last five years to be sure we also weren't burned?

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

There again, lets not forget why I signed up for this forum today and why I made a few connections with a few people before I started posting. I was informed that what I said would likely be taken with a grain of salt b/c I never post and have no "forum credibility"........so, thanks for that tidbit, Evan Mathis.

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would not presume to comment on any disagreements between Evan and Cortney, but I can say that everything Cortney has said about the history of this particular card is consistent with what I previously learned from people other than Cortney, whose involvement was news to me today.

[Beastmode]

I'm waiting for a pop-up ad from PWCC on this thread; the eyeballs must be off the charts. Quick Leon, dynamic pricing...

Courtney, not to diminish your narrative on this thread because it does appear to have merit, but 50 retractions; give me a fXcking break. And you've paid for all your winnings?? yeah right

I believe the forum will eventually sort this out, so I will stay tuned. I do apprecaite the fact you have the balls to come on here and tell your story and it appears to have legs. I'd like to hear the other half.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Th\

two things i learned from this

1. that is that this comment doesnt negate anything i said about cortney being biased in terms of if the deal was scam or not

2. I wish i knew someone that would front me $85,000 on a card. I swim in different waters.

[Leon]

Hi Evan
Hope all is well for you. Hope to say hi in Chitown if you make it this year? Thanks for coming on the forum and chiming in....best....LL

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

Lolol

Hold on, be right back, need more popcorn and a pit stop...

God, sick of popcorn. Need a beer and a shower.

Why in heaven or hell would you buy a graded card after reading this?

You know why.