A valuable lesson - eBay fraud + options

[bnorth]

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

+1

[Rhotchkiss]

eBay handle of seller?

So the rest of us don’t get burned by same guy.... Thanks

[sportscardpete]

Appreciate everyone's feedback: kmr_sports

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

Appreciate everyone's feedback: kmr_sports

Thanks Pete. I am sorry you are dealing with this. I have done several off-ebay deals and countless BST deals here on Net54, using PayPal FF, and I get nervous every time. So far so good, as I find people here are generally honest (they may some dumb stuff) and transactions via BST work. I would return the reprint and hope for the refund.

Perhaps the silver lining is no one else here will get burnt by this guy and his business will be hurt bc people stop dealing with him.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

eBay handle of seller?

So the rest of us don’t get burned by same guy.... Thanks

And the ebay handle of buyer.....

[Buythatcard]

The OP stated that this is valuable lesson on trusting non net54 transactions. Let's be clear this is also a non eBay transaction.
I hate when people always blame eBay for actions of their own.

If you messaged him thru eBay, you should know that it's strictly against eBay policies to do a deal off the radar using their messaging system. If you contacted him outside of eBay, then fine.

Once you go that route, both you and the seller are pretty much on their own.

I don't think any outside sources will help you in this case. Your best bet is to try and work it out with the seller. But, if he has done this in the past, then he will do it again.

No fault of eBay in this situation.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

You don’t accept PPFF? Your posts always say “net to me” if so that’s very noble of you.

I guess most people here would be considered scammers in your book.

[chriskim]

Did u buy a Jordan RC and turned out to be a reprint? Any high quality but ungraded Jordan RC is a big no-no.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

You don’t accept PPFF? Your posts always say “net to me” if so that’s very noble of you.

I guess most people here would be considered scammers in your book.

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

[Leon]

Since you are complaining about doing stuff here. Don't ever use the BST again. This isn't a request. If you use it you will no longer be here at all. See, I just solved a problem for you. A thank you should be in order.

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Since you are complaining about doing stuff here. Don't ever use the BST again. This isn't a request. If you use it you will no longer be here at all. See, I just solved a problem for you. A thank you should be in order.

Is that all sections of the BST area because I really wanted to bid on the auction that helps out the dogs?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Is that all sections of the BST area because I really wanted to bid on the auction that helps out the dogs?

Nope, BST is off limits for you. I will help the doggies in your place. This way you can never bitch about how messed up this place is pertaining to the BST section *for anything in the future".

And as for the OP situation. They might have taken it off ebay but I still think it's stealing on the other guys part so is wrong. (if this doesn't get rectified). We each have our own opinion of it.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

$45 delivered net to me. PayPal, Cash, or Check are OK.

Very cool Mickey Mantle Bill Bruton Miscut.

You didn’t really answer the question. You accept PayPal and say “net to me”. So is the buyer being asked to only pay GS if using PayPal and tack on extra or if they decide to pay FF is that ok?

I actually get your original point but then I was curious if you refuse to take PPFF. Your sales threads don’t suggest that but maybe you only accept GS. If so I said that’s noble of you.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

$45 delivered net to me. PayPal, Cash, or Check are OK.

Very cool Mickey Mantle Bill Bruton Miscut.

You didn’t really answer the question. You accept PayPal and say “net to me”. So is the buyer being asked to only pay GS if using PayPal and tack on extra or if they decide to pay FF is that ok?

I actually get your original point but then I was curious if you refuse to take PPFF. Your sales threads don’t suggest that but maybe you only accept GS. If so I said that’s noble of you.

"net to me" means the buyer has a choice to pay F&F or add extra for the fees.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by Jim65

"net to me" means the buyer has a choice to pay F&F or add extra for the fees.

Exactly - meaning if Bnorth accepts PPFF he is scamming PayPal just like he accused the OP of doing. That is what I was curious about. If he refuses to accept PPFF then I think his opinion holds a lot more weight.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

Exactly - meaning if Bnorth accepts PPFF he is scamming PayPal just like he accused the OP of doing. That is what I was curious about. If he refuses to accept PPFF then I think his opinion holds a lot more weight.

I have no reason to lie, yes I do accept PayPal friends and family from people I have done transactions with before. Same goes with the very few times I have paid using it. I do not use it with some random person I have no idea who they really are.

Just to put it out there. If anybody has EVER had even a small problem with ANY transaction I have EVER made on here PLEASE post it.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

Exactly - meaning if Bnorth accepts PPFF he is scamming PayPal just like he accused the OP of doing. That is what I was curious about. If he refuses to accept PPFF then I think his opinion holds a lot more weight.

Point taken.

Some boards have a rule against asking for PayPal F&F, I think its a good rule that protects people.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Jim65

"net to me" means the buyer has a choice to pay F&F or add extra for the fees.

That's the way I take it....I add in my auctions add 3% for Good and Services. I am the same way. If I have never had any dealings with someone on here, I like the added protection. If I have done business with someone before I don't mind sending F/F. We are all adults here.

[bobbyw8469]

I have seen gas stations charge more if you use a credit card as opposed to paying cash. I guess it's the same thing??

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

I never use paypal, but prefer to pay by check when using BST here. I always thought that checks were like cash and to send a bad one would be illegal

Sellers cash it and then send the card a day or 2 after. Some even send the card before depositing the check. End of story. They know where to bash me if the check bounces. Only one idiot wanted to hold my 5K in checks for 10 business days after the fact and I never bought from him again. You know who you are Desert Ice Sports. "Net to me" means that the seller is a legal moron, IMHO and I just pass.

[hcv123]

Re: OP -
1) I looked up tmr_sports on Ebay and nothing came up? Could you double check and respond with their Ebay name?
2) You said he had "reputable feedback" and "more on that later" but did not elaborate - please do.
3) I would definitely send the card back - the only thing more you have to potentially lose is return shipping with the possibility of getting a refund doing so - as another member asked and relevant to this opinion is the value of the card - The closer the value of the card comes to the cost of return shipping, the less of a good idea it would be to return. Assuming the cost of shipping is way less than the $$ you sent, then definitely return it
4) Again related to the value of the card - if it was hundreds or more - likely worth a shot to involve the police - if under $100 - probably wiser to just take your lumps and move on.
5) I use PPFF as a buyer and seller regularly - WITH awareness. As mentioned by someone else - as a buyer I will only send FF if I have done business with or know the person or if the amount is low enough and I feel comfortable "risking it" (knowing it is a risk). I would NOT use Ebay feedback as the sole source of "feedback" in deciding to send ff. I have done thousands of transactions over 22 years on and off Ebay and on Net 54 and outside of a really messed up situation in the early days of Paypal and no buyer protection where I got screwed out of a lot of money by Paypal, all of my buying and selling transactions have been smooth.

[Jobu]

Send it back requiring a direct signature so you know who got it (or at least have a better chance of knowing). Tracking only gives less proof.

There are a number of threads about this type of thing. The short version is that sometimes you can convince Paypal to take your money back, but my impression is that it always takes a lot of effort and is not always successful.

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Re: OP -
1) I looked up tmr_sports on Ebay and nothing came up? Could you double check and respond with their Ebay name?
2) You said he had "reputable feedback" and "more on that later" but did not elaborate - please do.

He said kmr_sports:
https://www.ebay.com/usr/kmr_sports

[buymycards]

Good feedback? He has 23 feedbacks as a seller. 2 neutrals and 2 negatives.

[charlietheexterminator]

If you paid ppff with PayPal funds, PayPal can not help you. If you used a credit card to pay through PayPal, contact your credit card company and post a complaint and stop payment. Reporting him to eBay is useless.

After that, now you can send the card back with tracking and keep your fingers crossed. Knowing me, I would blow up his email and eBay messages demanding a refund. Mention the 👮 Police in every message.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

I agree with Ben.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

Agree. Way too many people justify going outside of Ebay or paying F&F to avoid fees that Ebay and PayPal rightfully deserve. Its stealing, period.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

I wouldn't have phrased it so harshly, but your point has merit.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by drcy

I wouldn't have phrased it so harshly, but your point has merit.

I am not very elegant with my words and don't beat around the bush too much.

Kinda like my comment that got me banned from the BST section. With all the buyer protection of eBay it is very hard to get scammed on there. On here there is absolutely ZERO protection. I have never to my recollection ever been scammed on eBay. I have been on here several years. With all the Fly By Night people we have come and gone on this forum I have had some bad transactions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am not very elegant with my words and don't beat around the bush too much.

Kinda like my comment that got me banned from the BST section. With all the buyer protection of eBay it is very hard to get scammed on there. On here there is absolutely ZERO protection. I have never to my recollection ever been scammed on eBay. I have been on here several years. With all the Fly By Night people we have come and gone on this forum I have had some bad transactions.

You never told me once about any BST issues. You are almost the only one I EVER hear bitch about the BST. So, I am sure I did you a favor. No more agony.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

Yes, the poster attempted to save money and skirted the rules. However, it is sad that an alleged reputable eBay seller would take full advantage. He/she also benefited - no eBay or PayPal fees.

A good reminder that the hobby has some bad apples. This is especially sad that folks would take advantage of others during a pandemic. I wish you the best of luck. May be a hard lesson learned.

[mechanicalman]

For f&ck’s sake. “Skirting the rules?” “Stealing from eBay?” “Cheating PayPal?” Some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the OP for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

For f&ck’s sake. “Skirting the rules?” “Stealing from eBay?” “Cheating PayPal?” Some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the OP for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

Quoted.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Quoted.

Why?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why?

Prevents editing. Maybe useful for board readers in the future.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Prevents editing. Maybe useful for board readers in the future.

..I'll bet Archive wishes he'd had thought of that....

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[Republicaninmass]

Gee was anyone's dad/family member in law enforcement?

They seem to Take it upon themselves to police message boards, email PSA with what they think might be a good course of action, etc.

Boy, they'd be proud of you.


Our very own Junior message board police

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Prevents editing. Maybe useful for board readers in the future.

Nice work, Cap’n John!

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

for f&ck’s sake. “skirting the rules?” “stealing from ebay?” “cheating paypal?” some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the op for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

lmao. +1