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Posted By: ChiSoxFan
I know that no uncut sheets have ever been found for T206, so on several occasions I have thought about trying to reconstruct sheets based on mis-cut cards. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
A reasonable if imperfect guide would be to look at the dimensions of uncut sheets of other cards of the period, including of non-sport cards. This should at least give you a good idea of standard sizes. I would expect there were variations and exceptions (for example, due to the number of cards in a set), but that there were a number of standard industry sizes. Sheets of cardboard and paper have always come in standard sizes, even at the wholesale and industrial level, and I'm sure the card printers bought their cardstock from someone else. Of course, the printer can cut down a sheet (they cut out the cards after all), but an odds on guess is that that a printer used a sheet of cardstock in the uncut size they bought it-- which would be one of the standard sizes. |
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Posted By: jason
i saw a 5 card sheet in a book called the card and it was owned by honus wagner it was in his pants pocket. the 5 card sheet had a rare t206 wagner. thats what i've seen |
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Posted By: Scott B.
Is this what you are talking about? |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The only uncut sheet from that era that I'm aware of is a complete 30-card sheet of E93 cards....configured 10 across x 3 rows. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
There was an Obak sheet in auction a few years ago (check your catalogs, probably Masto or REA). I don't remember the dimensions, but it was was long horizontally. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
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Posted By: Craig W
My guess is that T206 sheets had six players across. |
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Posted By: J Levine
I agree with Ted on the 48 card sheet. I have been trying to put together a sheet/print run for t205s for many years and the one that makes sense to me is a 48 card sheet. Just not sure which way it is configured. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
Buried deep in the pages here is a scan of the Obak sheet-I recall it was quite large, maybe almost 200 cards ( I recall 19 columns for some reason but don;t quote me on that). I noticed it when I paged back through the site a couple of years ago, I just can't find it with the search function so it may be in a non-Obak thread. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The E93 sheet pictured in the above post is an incomplete sheet. You can see that on the |
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Posted By: Jeff S.
We also need to think about the source of the printing - the lithographic stones. It's tough to fathom a stone containing 200 images - the size and weight would be immense. 48 sounds more feasible... |
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Posted By: jason
i think the size of the sheet depends on where it was printed. thats what i think |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Double post |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Comparing OBAK's with T206 production is a totally different "animal". OBAK's were printed |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I would guess they used metal plates for the T206s. Commercial stone lithography was more an 1800s thing. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
But what do we make of the fact that most miscut T206's have the same player vertically? That would at least double the size of the sheet in theory to 96 cards at a minimum. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Identical 12-card rows were repeated (double, or triple printed) as they printed down |
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Posted By: johnny
hello |
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Posted By: jason
i think they printed them on stone they found a c55 stone for the adds |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Tell us what two T206's they are and what are the different names on the top border ? |
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Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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Posted By: dstudeba
I would love to see the Obak sheet people are referring to. If anyone has scans, or can point me to the auction I would be very appreciative. This is the closest I have seen. |
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Posted By: JimB
Just looked up the Obak sheet in the 1999 MastroWest Auction. It is 19 cards wide by 3 high. It has a very large blank area above the three rows,and none below, making it look like this is just the top portion of a much larger sheet. |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Thanks Jim, what year is it? The one above is from 1909, I know Leon has similar strips from 1910 or 1911. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
That Mastrowest sheet is not the one I recall, I remember many more cards on it. |
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Posted By: ChiSoxFan
While looking at Scot's Inside T206 (3rd Edition), it has the following cards per series. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
1st....Scot Reader and I are 99.9% convinced that Ames, Doyle & Schulte are 150-only Subjects (hence, total of 12 subjects). |
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Posted By: J Hull
Is this the Obak sheet previously mentioned? Or its other half? |
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Posted By: J Hull
To add some more pictures to this thread... |
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Posted By: J Hull
And a couple more. |
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Posted By: PC
That Obak sheet must be exactly how T206s were printed. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
I have 4 backs,all printed upside down(the scan is actually flipped to see the cards better) that show parts of 4 piedmont ads and when properly aligned they match up pretty good so one could say they might've came from the same sheet. The players are Doolan portrait, Ciccotte, George Davis and Tannehill,chi |
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Posted By: JimB
JHull, |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
......"That Obak sheet must be exactly how T206s were printed."...... |
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Posted By: PC
There are many totally false assumptions on this thread. |
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Posted By: J Hull
All we have are theories, and theory-filled threads are (to me) the best kind. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
1st....the 350 series comprises 208 subjects + the 6 super-prints** + Demmitt & O'Hara (St Louis vars.) = 216 Subjects |
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Posted By: JimP
Ted, great theories, but one thing troubles me....it is proposed that because there were 12 150-only subjects, that lends creedence to the 12 cards per sheet theory. |
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Posted By: J Hull
Hi Ted. |
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Posted By: PC
I do not believe the number 12 appears, with any certainty, in any T206 series other than the 460 Only series and the So. Leaguers. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
PC you said...... |
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Posted By: PC
"I can only conclude that there were 2 double prints to bring the total 350-only arrangement to 216 cards." |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
JIM |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Its your prerogative not to agree with my observations on the T206 structure. I referred you to Scot Reader's analysis. |
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Posted By: PC
No contention here. I just disagree with the 12 multiple theory. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I have 35 of 150 series cards confirmed with Sweet Caporal 150, Factory 649 overprints. I expect a 36th to show up |
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Posted By: PC
The Tolstoi survey yielded 227 examples. One more would make 228. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You both have suggested even a lower common denominator of 6. I've looked over my three "all-T brand" |
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Posted By: johnny
TED |
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