How to crack a $50,000 to $100,000 card.....

[rocarroll]

Wow. I can't believe how many people must have lost money on this deal with all the ill feelings. Didn't know so many were involved in this transaction.

[travrosty]

a lot of people and the truth is hidden in all corners nary to see the light of day.

[Bob Lemke]

Bugger the NYPL. They obviously are swimming in cash.

Why else would they fly someone to Dallas to pick up the card when it could be guaranteed safe, if not timely, delivery by Registered mail?

If Registered was good enough for the Hope Diamond . . .

[jhs5120]

Would you be willing to share the details of the return Leon?

I'm curious if you were able to consider this a donation to the NYPL. Hopefully you were able to get something out of it (if only a couple tickets to their gala )

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by travrosty

a lot of people and the truth is hidden in all corners nary to see the light of day.

Jack Handey ? X Files ?

Did Leon send them the Hope Diamond too ? He is on a roll

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Would you be willing to share the details of the return Leon?

I'm curious if you were able to consider this a donation to the NYPL. Hopefully you were able to get something out of it (if only a couple tickets to their gala )

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. that has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? and why? why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? leverage? can you explain? why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? if it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter BEFORE you consigned it to heritage? why didn't it matter then? you didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? but now you do?

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. That has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? And why? Why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? Leverage? Can you explain? Why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? If it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter before you consigned it to heritage? Why didn't it matter then? You didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? But now you do?

shut up!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

shut up!

why, questions too tough?

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by travrosty

why, questions too tough?

Because this crap is getting old. The mob with the pitchforks and torches demanded a return to the NYPL and they are getting what they want. Just let it go knowing that your mission is accomplished. No further details are needed.

Damn, it's like a whole pack of yappy dogs that will just not shut up.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by travrosty

why, questions too tough?

No, but as stated, it's getting old. Should we all go over to HOS and do the same to your buddy Peter Nash??? Just let it go Travis!!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by whitehse

Because this crap is getting old. The mob with the pitchforks and torches demanded a return to the NYPL and they are getting what they want. Just let it go knowing that your mission is accomplished. No further details are needed.

Damn, it's like a whole pack of yappy dogs that will just not shut up.

Maybe if Leon would quit posting about it people would spot asking about it. The real whole story has to be very interesting.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Maybe if Leon would quit posting about it people would spot asking about it. The real whole story has to be very interesting.

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

it wouldnt be gossip if we got to hear the whole story, the truth.

[Jeffrompa]

Please humour us with your acumen .

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. that has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? and why? why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? leverage? can you explain? why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? if it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter BEFORE you consigned it to heritage? why didn't it matter then? you didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? but now you do?

I wish I cared about my own cards as much as Travis cares about Leon's cards.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by chipperhank44

I wish I cared about my own cards as much as Travis cares about Leon's cards.

it belongs to the nypl, thats the point.

[wonkaticket]

If the card had never been listed for sale in the first place and we could turn back the clock a year or so when you were first made aware of the cards issues via the FBI. Then the above images and NYPL letter would have gone down as one of the most stand up things in the hobby ever.

However the convenient worded auction listing, the BS, the name calling, the long political PMs and the locking of threads. Render the above more of a bitter sweet last resort vs. that of a selfless act. That's really a shame.....

In the end it is a great thing that the property will be returned to the collection of the NYPL, ultimately the best possible outcome given the situation.

Cheers,

John

[RCMcKenzie]

Any work of art or collectible stands a much better chance of making it to the next generation of folks if it is held by a collector, as opposed to a Museum or library... I hope they don't lose it again...

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

If the card had never been listed for sale in and we could turn back the clock a year or so when you were first made aware of the cards issues via the FBI. Then the above images and NYPL letter would have gone down as one of the most stand up things in the hobby ever.

However the convenient worded auction listing, the BS, the name calling, the long political PMs and the locking of threads. Render the above more of a bitter sweet last resort vs. that of a selfless act. That's really a shame.....

In the end it is a great thing that the property will be returned to the collection of the NYPL, ultimately the best possible outcome given the situation.

Cheers,

John

Spot on, John.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

I for one would be interested in the full story of what occurred subsequent to the original revelation that the card was NYPL property that led to the card being returned.

Maybe that makes me gossipy - but I didn't start the thread.

[oldjudge]

At the end of the day, a significant card, stolen long ago from the Spalding collection, is being returned to the Spalding collection. That is a good thing, something that doesn't often happen. Although every new thread provides the opportunity for those who have nothing meaningful to add about cards to gripe about something, this chapter of hobby history seems to have drawn to an end and people should move on.

[Shoeless Moe]

I hope they send Bookman


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zePQavforA

[bn2cardz]

I, too, am very upset with Leon. Why would he use rusted tools to break that card out. Brand new tools should have been bought and used.

[rocarroll]

In other news, there is a really cool Cobb with a Lenox background for sale over on the BST page. Its been on the down low but I thought I'd be the first to draw attention to it.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by rocarroll

In other news, there is a really cool Cobb with a Lenox background for sale over on the BST page. Its been on the down low but I thought I'd be the first to draw attention to it.

Now that's FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I hope they send Bookman url]

Paul, that is the best post in this thread...too funny.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I, too, am very upset with Leon. Why would he use rusted tools to break that card out. Brand new tools should have been bought and used.

And why would he not hire The Transporter to be sure it got back there safe and sound and without incident

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

And why would he not hire The Transporter to be sure it got back there safe and sound and without incident

Excellent thought, Al!

[mrkrab]

chea

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by mrkrab

chea

Why do so many people edit out complete posts? Why not stand behind what you wrote?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

It wouldn't be just gossip if there's more to the story that hasn't been told and the rest of the facts were revealed.

I'm sure anyone who spends time chatting on a sports card forum would find this interesting regardless of the outcome or who's involved.

[GehrigFan]

Originally Posted by Leon

A good friend said I shouldn't leave this information out, so here is the update too. It will be physically given to the NYPL next week, when someone from the NYPL comes to Dallas for it, but the decision has been made for a while.. Thanks to everyone who had patience.

Very proud of you Leon. It's no easy task to stand up and bite the bullet on something that wasn't even your fault. You are top class, sir!

Mark