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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Geoffrey Litwack
Does anyone know about the printing methods by which the T207s were produced? Were they engraved? Was the text on the back typeset by hand? I nosed around the wonderful cycleback.com for info, but to no avail. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
I haven't owned a single T207 in years (I hear Bob has them all), but they are lithographs, likely made in the same essential way as the T206s-- though obvioiusly with a different color choice. Presumably, the text on the back was typeset. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: runscott
Can legitimate ones ever be found without the cracking? |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
During this period, most of the tobacco card and similarly colorful candy cards (E95, Tango Eggs,etc) were lithographs. The Cracker Jacks, Exhibit Cards and most of the newspaper/magazine cards (Sporting News, Sporting Life, etc) were photoengravings. Lithography and photoengraving were competing commercial printing processes/technolgies-- like Interet Explorer versus Netscape, or Ford versus Chevrolet. Back then, they each had about equal market share and had the corner in different areas (tobacco products = lithography, publishing = photoengraving). Photoengraving died out commercially years ago, but lithography is still used. Almost all of today's trading cards are made with lithography, though in a different form then circa 1910. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Bill Cornell
David- |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
I think I caught my error, as, I beleive, Ford issued Chevy-- but, you should get jist of the analogy anyway. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Geoffrey Litwack
Thanks for the info. I've been doing a little research, and all the work that went into those little cards is really quite amazing. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
The T207s, which definetely have a painting/artistic quality, may have been based on actual paintings. As was discussed in an earlier thread, many of the T206s images were reproductions of embellished/colored photographs while some may have been based on color sketches (perhaps, the artist using a photograph as an basis for the sketch). Anyone looking at a the E106 Ty Cobb knows that the original art was no photograph. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
Also, I'm not claiming that the E106, T207 and T206 were made using the exact same techniques down to the tiniest detail. I'm just saying that they used the same period technology. It was possible the T207s, T206s and T205s were all printed by the same printer. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
One other point then, then I promise I'll be quiet. It is possible, though less likely, that the T207s were 'handmade lithographs.' This would mean that the image was drawn by the artist (using special lithographic tools) directly onto the printing, then these handrawn plates were used for the printing. This is the way famous artists like Picasso and Chagall made orignal plates. It's also the way the Allen & Ginter cards were made. Still, this would been the basic period lithography, but using a different technique to create the image. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Hankron
Just so you all know, Elliot corrected my history of cars off board. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: ty_cobb
On the T207s and T213s I've handled the |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Kenny Cole
It has been said before, but it bears repeating - - no sane person starts collecting T207s in hopes of completing the set. It is simply an exercise in pain. I would hate to see anyone who wants to start on pre-WWI cards start on that set because it is so discouraging. Pick almost any other set (except E107s) and your satisfaction level will probably increase tenfold. T207s are a bitch. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: ty_cobb
Rare back combos like Red Cross, red Cycle, and Broadleaf |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Geoffrey Litwack
Kenny: I know it's a tough set, but that's fine by me. If not as much stuff is on the market at one time, I can spread out my spending. I find the look of the 207s to be my favorite of all the pre-Great War sets...late Victorian, baby! |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Jay behrens
Yeah, don't waste your time on this set. You should instead go after the the next one in the ACC, t208s. Only 18 cards in that set. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: runscott
...so I can start working on mine. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: TBob
Ward Miller where are you? A decent G/VG which wouldn't break the bank and possessing eye appeal would do it. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: Thomas
Hello TBob, |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: runscott
three Reulbachs and one Rucker. |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: jay behrens
I have more t209 Contentneas than t207s now (5-4). |
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The T207 Printing Process
Posted By: runscott
...how many cards are there total, and how many have you found? |
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