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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Andrew Saboley
Is it possible to have an authentic Lou Gehrig signature after January 1940? I remember reading that he couldn't even lift or move his arms after the latter part of 1939. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
By 1940 Gehrig could no longer write. All his correspondence was either signed by his wife (if it was sent from Gehrig's home), or, if sent from Gehrig's Parole Board office, bore a rubber-stamp signature. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: MVSNYC
very sad...and the way in which he handled it all: class personifide |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: barrysloate
There were some Gehrig signatures from late in his life that are very shaky, but they may be earlier than 1940. Not sure. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: MVSNYC
barry- do you get up really early and just comb Net54 for spelling mistakes? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: brock
Gehrig was the greatest. Just think if he did not die and played 4-5 more years he would have around 668 home runs if he hit around 35 a year. He would also have around 3500 hits with around 175 each year. And these number are under his averages. Only if, he would have been the greatest player to play the game. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: barrysloate
Michael- you know the rooster that crows each morning at dawn? Who do you think wakes him up? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Rhys
Barry |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Andrew Saboley
David, thank you for the info. I was just wondering because there is a Gehrig signed Harridge ball in the upcoming Mastro Live Auction, and the ball has markings that indicate it could only have been signed in 1940 or 41. This would seem to be an impossibility. Thanks again. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
Thats very interesting. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Richard Simon
If Eleanor handed it to you,she might have signed it. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
Ha Ha, you're right. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
Here is another 1940 "Gehrig" signed piece. A letter sent from his home, signed by his wife. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Richard Simon
Jody - without seeing the ball I hate to render any opinion, but I have always been of the same opinion as David, regarding Gehrig's ability to write post 1940. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
This is from Jonathan Eig's terrific book, "Luckiest Man." On January 27, 1940, Gehrig visited a Manhattan doctor, Israel Wechsler. Wechsler wrote that "When first seen, [Gehrig] had marked spasticity in both lower extremities... generalized fibrillations, weakness of the shoulder and arm muscles, and almost complete paralysis of the hand muscles... (Emphasis added.) |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: MVSNYC
As i said above...very sad. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Marty Kohler
I am sure you mean..... Multi-millionaire?.......I share your feelings completely...He is still somewhat of a mystery.....A TRUE captain..... Marty |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
sorry if it wasn't clear - the ball I linked above is the ball in question. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: brian
So is the ball that Matt posted a stamp or signed by Gehrig's wife? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
The signature looks good. Which means the "stars on the label" Harridge ball was introduced earlier than previously thought--probably in 1939. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
Why was it previously assumed that the "stars on the label" Harridge ball was introduced in 1940? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Andrew S.
Why was it previously assumed that the "stars on the label" Harridge ball was introduced in 1940? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
Andrew - why did whoever wrote the description make that assumption? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Mark
I bet Jodi knows why the assumption was made. I recall a thread about 3 months ago that related to the various markings and subsequent dating of these Official balls. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Mark, |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: brock
Here's a post 1990's Lou Gehrig autograph if you have never seen one before. I cant believe a person would bid? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
Jodi - is it safe to assume that if the Gehrig ball in question was an impossibility, you would let us know so that someone doesn't get taken advantage of? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
The ball is not an impossibility, Matt. As Jodi said, people have pieced together a "history" of the introduction times of various baseball styles. They have done this by using other methods to date the design, and then assuming that the earliest date is the introduction time for that design. But, if an earlier example appears, the intro date must be revised. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: Matt
Thanks David - I thought it was possible there might be some records to indicate when the balls were produced as opposed to piecing it together based on known valid signatures. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
wow, it took this forum to inspire me to get a Photobucket account. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
Regardless of what PSA might say, I doubt very much that Gehrig signed that document in December 1940, especially as his hands were paralyzed by January 1940, and he would die just six months later. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
Wow, this could turn into a great discussion-mystery. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: boxingcardman
It is unclear from the scan whether the settlement agreement was acknowledged before a notary; it does appear to be witnessed. Often, a document that has been executed for a legal purpose will be independently authenticated at the time of execution via notarial acknowledgment or witnessing. Does that make it a certainty? No. But it does make it much more likely that it is genuine. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
It says "sealed and delivered." It does not say that it was signed in her presence. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
why would Eleanor sign the document in such a manner? did she not have POA over lou's affairs? Why not just sign it as she did other documents etc.? |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: David Atkatz
On further reflection, I don't believe Eleanor Gehrig did sign the document. I have no idea who did, but I do not believe for an instant it was signed by Lou Gehrig. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: George Dreher
I think we're fortunate to have David on the forum with his knowledge and experience with vintage Yankee autographs. I've really enjoyed reading this thread. One of the most interesting ones yet. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: MVSNYC
agreed...this is a great thread, and as someone who will be looking for an authentic Gehrig sig soon, i have learned so much from many of the posts above... |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
Yes, I enjoy threads like this, very informative and interesting. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: MVSNYC
J.McMurry- |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
First off let me say that it is just a "gut" feeling I've had for a few years while looking at the auction catalogs,I will never claim to be an expert on this. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: George Dreher
"Maybe as I have time, I'll scan pics of some of the items from this auction that I feel are questionable, and maybe members can give their opinions on them." |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
ok, here's one for starters. |
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Lou Gehrig signing habits
Posted By: J.McMurry
This one may very well be real, but what caught my attention was the "R" in Ruth. This was supposedly signed in 1932. |
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