Old Fashion Drugs-- Alcohol

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Posted By: peter chao

I'm sure that some of this steroid stuff is getting you guys down. Let's talk about old-time players and booze. Who were the boozers that could play? Do we have scans?

Peter C.

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Posted By: Josh Adams

Didn't *Walter Johnson pitch a Game 7 of the World Series completely blitzed, and on 3 days rest?

I mean Grover Cleveland Alexander. Thanks Double B!

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Posted By: Bobby Binder

Think you mean Grover Cleveland Alexander

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Posted By: Turner Engle

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Posted By: barrysloate

How about Doc Ellis claiming to throw his no-hitter on LSD? To this day I am still not certain that story is true.

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Posted By: Bob

Actually Alexander had celebrated his complete game victory in Game 6 the night before by tying one on because he thought there was absolutely no chance he would pitch the next day in the deciding game. He was pitching for the Cardinals and his career was about to end. The "old man," grizzled and worn, walked to the mound to face Tony Lazerri (sp) the best clutch hitter on the Yankees with the bases loaded and proceeded to strike him out and save the day.

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Posted By: peter chao

Alexander was one of those old-timers that didn't hesitate to brush back hitters. It's a good thing that he didn't decide to brush back Tony.

Peter C.

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Posted By: quan

peter,

every time you start a thread i take a jager shot...does that count?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Quan -- just one?

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Posted By: leon

I love jager shots too.....but so far Peter C hasn't driven me to them.....(yet )

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Posted By: peter chao

Come on guys...just admit it you've become the establishment. I'm just here to liven things up.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Kevin Saucier

A quote from a sports article:


"Ruth also was a habitual user of a banned substance that was deemed unambiguously illegal by the federal government--a drug Ruth believed enhanced his performance: alcohol. Ruth was a star during the roaring prohibition 1920s, and as teammate Joe Dugan said, "Babe would go day and night, broads and booze."

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Posted By: davidcycleback

King Kelly was big boozer, died before he was 40.

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Posted By: peter chao

Bugs Raymond must have drove John McGraw crazy.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Anthony

Wasn't Ed Delehanty throw off the train due to being drunk, and that leading to his death?
Jimmie Foxx and Hack Wilson were known to tie one on on occasion as well. And if you read Ball Four Mantle seemed to function with a hangover pretty well.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Rube Waddell.

-Al

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Posted By: Rob Dewolf

Old-time baseball players who were on the sauce? How about Net54ers who post after tipping a few?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Peter- looks like you really took everyone's advice, and are posting less

BABE RUTH!!!

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Posted By: pas

Leon you are a patient man. Others of us are less so.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

This is the dumbest post in the history of Net54...and only a day or so after Peter was asked to reflect on his posts before he hits the send button.

Why not start a post on players who like hot dogs?

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Posted By: pas

Dan the scary thing is that he probably did reflect. He just doesn't care that so many people find posts like this extremely irritating. And by responding, I guess others reinforce the message that they find his threads legitimate. EDITED TO ADD "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

You cannot stop Peter Chao; you can only hope to contain him.

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Posted By: Tony Andrea

Dan B. -
In response to your post.
"Why not start a post on players who like hot dogs?"
I'm game....

David Wells
Next

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Posted By: pas

Jeff, how do you contain a hydra? Cut off one head and three grow back.

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Posted By: pas

Shoeless Joe Jackson
February 20 2007 at 2:59 PM peter chao (Login pchaos)


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Guys,

Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes. If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked.

Peter

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Posted By: barrysloate

Ah, another day on Network 54.

I'm chomping at the bit for tomorrow's steak...say, let's start a poll on which ballplayers liked to eat steak!

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Posted By: Jeremy W.

I just don't see the point in downgrading other's posts. If you feel like it's off-topic, why not just avoid? If you think you are a comedian, well then blast away. Sure, some will laugh at your commentary, but others will just go on reading/living. I guess I don't get it.

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Posted By: dennis

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Posted By: Cobby33

How many players took the train to games?

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Posted By: Greg Theberge

I stated my sentiments on this topic on the memorabilia side.

It's so much fun to drag someone's name through the mud. (Edited to mean that I meant dragging someone's name through the mud by talking about their problems, in this case, alcoholism)

Personally, I'm very tired of this type of crap and quite frankly have grown very tired of Peter's ridiculous posts that he somehow justifies with a big grin on his face.

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Posted By: Paul S

pas said: EDITED TO ADD "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Paul Simon! Talk about alcohol -- now you know why he was always "Feeling Groovy"!

See Peter? I knew you had something to contribute to this topic.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Guys, how many players had sweaty socks? Let's rank the sweaty socks men by position.

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Posted By: pas

Greg, our sympathies. It seems the problem has infected the other board too, eh?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

You have to hand it to Peter S. for pulling that nugget out.

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Posted By: Anonymous

"Come on guys...just admit it you've become the establishment. I'm just here to liven things up.

Peter C."


Shame on you Peter. Absolutely freaking shame on you.

Where do you get off deciding that anyone here is the "establishment"? Where do you get off deciding on our collective behalf (behalves?) that that's a bad thing? And mostly, how do you figure that you are the self-appointed fixer of that problem? So it's not to your personal liking so you are going to take it upon yourself to change it?

You have gotten tons of feedback to the effect that your posting style is not appreciated by many here. You even ASKED for that feedback, and got it in the nicest way I can imagine people putting it. You have completely ignored that feedback and now are basically saying that you intend to continue doing so.

Now you've even managed to spread the discontent to the Memorabilia side, and almost derailed a very cool and sweet idea that Gil floated on the Post-War side by incessantly jabbing at it and ignoring what others were telling you.

And no, I don't feel bad for you any more. Comments like providing a variety of topics (your excuse a few days ago for starting numerous fluff threads) and now livening things up tell me that you are consciously and selfishly rejecting everything you've been told and are going to continue behavior that irritates the hell out of a lot of people here.

Well you can keep your livening up. And I'm fine with the topics that have been here, thanks.

(Sorry everyone else for the rant. I've never gone off on anyone like this before, but his smug comments about providing topics and us being the establishment - after people went so out of their way to be nice in their comments the past few days - just put me over the edge after a long day. Go ahead and delete Leon. I'll understand.)

Joann Kline

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Posted By: pas

JoAnn -- beautiful. I concur completely. EDITED TO ADD It's now about ego and spite, as well as whatever it was about to begin with.

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Posted By: peter chao

Joanne,

I fail to see the extreme tolerance that you have been speaking about. And just because some of the criticism is hiding behind smiley faces doesn't mean the comment is tolerant.

If the comments I've made are so off the wall then why bother commenting on them?

Peter C.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, are you aware that you yourself use the smiley face to attempt to deflect any criticism from one of your moronic posts? Like a dog who rolls over on his back in an attempt to avoid a confrontation? Please tell me you understand this. Do you truly not appreciate the irony of the posts critical of you which include the smiley face?

<----- note smiley face (doesn't that make it all better?)

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Posted By: Ed Ivey

Too much sanctimony. Lighten up, folks. I don't thing heavy boozing is far removed from vintage baseball history. Might make a good typecard collection.

Was Paul Waner a heavy boozer?

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Posted By: pas

Peter C., you fail completely to respond to JoAnn's post. The bottom line is that you are willfully pissing off (sorry Leon) MANY members and likely many more who are too polite to say so. You know it, and indeed you now purport to justify it on the ground that you are somehow shaking things up which is the most ludicrous and egotistical statement I have ever heard -- well maybe not as egotistical as your own pronouncement about your supposed creativity. It's all about spite and ego now isn't it, not a genuine desire to discuss VINTAGE sports cards or related subjects?

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Posted By: Paul S

Without taking sides on this issue, because I respect both sides of it (what a fencesitter!) I do have to say that the first half of this thread contained 8-9 legitimate responses to the topic from 8-9 legitimate/respected members.

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Posted By: Al Simeone

Well here we are again! I come back from work and theres good old Peter hard at work again. Peter I tried to tell you in a nice way last night on the memorablia side THINK BEFORE YOU POST. I asked you ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING! I guess I got my answer. All you want to do it seems is turn up the flame and get people angry. Your suppose to be a lawyer Peter not a clown in a three ring circus. Remember first ammendment rights working here! Oh thats right that was one of your other great threads you started TICKETS and the first ammendment. Peter do us all a favor if you are going to continue to do this stay on the memorabilia side for 3 days and we will stay on this side then at the end of 3 days we will go to the other side and you can come back here. This way we can be like ships that pass in the night . Jeez Peter WAKE UP your like a bad dream that never goes away!!

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Posted By: Jim VB

I find Peter's posts falling into three distinct categories. The perfectly acceptable. The inane. And the factually incorrect. (I will leave it to each of you individually to decide the % breakdown.)

What is disturbing to me is that he doesn't see the difference.

Personally, I am most bothered by the factually incorrect ones.

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Posted By: steve yawitz

If a community ignores attention-seeking behavior, the frequency of the problem tends to diminish.

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

"If a community ignores attention-seeking behavior, the frequency of the problem tends to diminish."

I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I have tried to bite my tongue in recent days but it is just too much to do. Count me among those who cannot take it anymore. What annoys me is the constant barrage of inane posts. I just posted an off-topic post today but I believe it is the first I have ever done. Peter --you are inundating us with off-topic posts and damaging the fabric of the board. Just stop creating threads or limit yourself to one per week.

Secondly, get your facts straight before coning on and talking. You are wrong so much with your facts it is embarrassing! Do some research. It has nothing to do with being a newby. This is a board with a lot of knowledgeable people about vintage cards. Don't just make it up as you go along.

Lastly, you sound ridiculous with your legal opinions. When Jeff or Peter Spaeth speak with a legal opinion it is clear they know what they are talking about. I'm not a lawyer but sometimes your legal statements are flat out ridiculous. Aren't you embarrassed when other lawyers make you sound silly or even stupid?

Sorry, but I just think it has to stop.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Peter- I generally try to keep a low profile in this type of thread, but I too need to say something. You came on the board Sunday and asked specific questions about your posting, among them if you post too frequently. And everyone responded rather emphatically that you started too many posts, too many off-topic posts, and especially too many poorly conceived posts.

And if you were reasonable about it you would have taken it to heart, thanked everyone for their candor, and made a change.

However, you instead chose to seize the moment by asking which ballplayers consumed too much alcohol, among several other inanities. I even had to wonder at one point if you were serious or goofing on the board.

What is clear is you have gotten quite a number of people upset. Don't you think taking a breather would be in order here?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

"Just look at all the equivocal answers I'm getting on this thread."

--Peter C.

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Posted By: Ed Ivey

Didn't David Wells boast about tossing his perfect game while still half in the bag from the night before?

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Posted By: pas

Jeff as long as there are a few kind and patient folks who tolerate him (and, worse, respond substantively to his posts), that will be all the reinforcement he needs.