1914 Cracker Jack - Trimmed or not Trimmed?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER...item3ce4983cc7

[Brian Van Horn]

I would tend against not trimmed.

[ErikV]

I wondered the same thing. I hope I'm not going out of bounds by saying this,
but I contacted the seller regarding this same issue. So he won't have to keep
answering the same question, I'm going to post his response verbatim. Again,
please forgive me if I'm overstepping the boundaries:

"When lining the card up next to other 1914's the card looks the same. That
being said, I won't guarantee that PSA or SGC won't deem it trimmed. If it is
not trimmed, the card looks like a 5 or 6 with no creases, good centering and
corners."

ErikV

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Hi all. I am the seller of this card. I lean toward this card being trimmed though it does look like it does match up. The previous owner stated that he thought it might be trimmed but couldn't be sure. I have had no success in dealing with PSA and just flat out refuse to give them anymore of my business. Hope this helps.
James R Hill

[Brian Van Horn]

JR and AJ,

Maybe introductions are in order. I have e-mailed back and forth with both of you on Cracker Jacks. I trust you will have a good relationship going forward. I still tend toward not trimmed.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

JR and AJ,

Maybe introductions are in order. I have e-mailed back and forth with both of you on Cracker Jacks. I trust you will have a good relationship going forward. I still tend toward not trimmed.

Thanks Brian. To avoid any confusion, I am going to relist this card as trimmed. I can't be 100% positive that it is not and I refuse to send another item to PSA. Thanks.
James

[btkpath]

It is still a beautiful looking card. I am concerned about the upper left corner.

I would love to upgrade my Knetzer example.

[Brian Van Horn]

James,

Good luck. I do not submit cards for grading, but if you would like to submit the card that is of course your choice.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Card is sold. Bought by a member of this board. Thanks all!
James

[GregMitch34]

I had asked earlier and did not get much of a reply: how much leeway do the grading companies tend to give CJs? I have one that is definitely 1/16" narrow but they still have it a grade. For example.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

J.R. nice to meet you officially on the board. Hope you didn't take offense to posting the card here from eBay as I was just curious on what consensus thought about it being trimmed and wasn't calling you out at all. Your listing was very honest and up front about possibility of being trimmed.
cheers,
A.J.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

J.R. nice to meet you officially on the board. Hope you didn't take offense to posting the card here from eBay as I was just curious on what consensus thought about it being trimmed and wasn't calling you out at all. Your listing was very honest and up front about possibility of being trimmed.
cheers,
A.J.

Hi A.J. Not a problem my man.
Take care,
James

[Theo_450]

I vote, not trimmed.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Jacker_ Cracks

Card is sold. Bought by a member of this board. Thanks all!
James

Kudos to James for being up front and honest

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

The only thing that looks possibly trimmed is the lower right corner (rear view).


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[scooter729]

I thought I could post this to the same thread, since the topic is identical....

Please let me know your thoughts on the pictured 1914 CJ Zimmerman. My eye tells me there is a sign of a trim to the top border, with a bit of a wave to it. But when I held it up to a couple of other '14 CJ's I have (both graded), the size seems to line up the same.

So, my question (and I'm not too well versed on these, so please forgive me if it's obvious): could the waviness I am seeing at the top be attributed at all to the delicate thin nature of these cards? Is it possible it's not trimmed along the top, based on what you see here?

Any feedback would be most appreciated - thanks!

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I thought I could post this to the same thread, since the topic is identical....

Please let me know your thoughts on the pictured 1914 CJ Zimmerman. My eye tells me there is a sign of a trim to the top border, with a bit of a wave to it. But when I held it up to a couple of other '14 CJ's I have (both graded), the size seems to line up the same.

So, my question (and I'm not too well versed on these, so please forgive me if it's obvious): could the waviness I am seeing at the top be attributed at all to the delicate thin nature of these cards? Is it possible it's not trimmed along the top, based on what you see here?

Any feedback would be most appreciated - thanks!

Id have to say that top left border looks trimmed, its isn't straight and the back matches the front area in question.

[vthobby]

Knetzer: likely not trimmed

Zimmerman: BADLY and very obviously trimmed. Looks like by maybe the hedge trimmer?

mike

PS: The top border on Zimmerman looks a little like Route 66. Bumpy and dangerous!

[Jacker_ Cracks]

definitely trimmed

[scooter729]

Thanks guys - appreciate the feedback. I assumed that was the case, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something from not being familiar with these cards!

Scott

[GregMitch34]

Still looking for what you think grading companies allow for CJs being a little short or thin and still get a grade. Sixteenth of an inch or what?

[sniffy5]

A friend of mine that sold many of his 1914 CJ's recently told me the tale of one of his 1914's. He had a Psa 2. He cracked it and sent it to scg. They graded it as trimmed. He then sent it to Bvg and it graded a 4.5. That should let everyone know what TPG knows about 1914's. Serious inconsistency bordering on incompetence.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Originally Posted by sniffy5

A friend of mine that sold many of his 1914 CJ's recently told me the tale of one of his 1914's. He had a Psa 2. He cracked it and sent it to scg. They graded it as trimmed. He then sent it to Bvg and it graded a 4.5. That should let everyone know what TPG knows about 1914's. Serious inconsistency bordering on incompetence.

+1 Couldn't agree more Tom..

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by sniffy5

A friend of mine that sold many of his 1914 CJ's recently told me the tale of one of his 1914's. He had a Psa 2. He cracked it and sent it to scg. They graded it as trimmed. He then sent it to Bvg and it graded a 4.5. That should let everyone know what TPG knows about 1914's. Serious inconsistency bordering on incompetence.

I don't think that BVG has any problem in assigning a grade to a trimmed card. I have seen it too many times from them. As to the original posters question, the CJ measures correctly at 2 1/4 by 3. I do not see anything that would lead me to believe the card had been trimmed.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

Still looking for what you think grading companies allow for CJs being a little short or thin and still get a grade. Sixteenth of an inch or what?

1/16" is definitely within limits and even closer to 1/8" IMO in extreme cases. If you figure for every card with fat borders there must be an opposing card(s) with short borders. My Meyers card is huge, 3/16" big both ways so that could affect 4 different cards being shorted. My Rickey was a psa 4 and measures 1/16" short and is definitely not trimmed.