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I really don't believe that because nothing is being done now and it's business as usual this story is over. Somebody is going to look at this as a golden opportunity to build a better mousetrap, and to enter the third party grading business with technology that is capable of exposing all of these altered cards. Then anybody who tries to sell an altered card in a slab will find that no auction house will accept it unless it's clearly stated in the lot description something along the lines of "this card was once deemed an 8 but now has been revealed as having the corners built up." As such, those cards will be dead in the water.
Maybe business as usual today, but this will end very badly. And the registry will offer no protection. Last edited by barrysloate; 08-06-2019 at 02:47 PM. |
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Somewhere earlier I read a quote from some dude saying
While there are questions of what constitutes an improper alteration I was like WTF improper alterations???? To me any/all alterations, adding or removing to a card, are Fraudulent and Not Good. What a downplay !!!! Come on Man.... Are we headed to this 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 311 PSA Conserved 8 As compared to 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 311 PSA Restored 8 Oh Right Joe Just Stop complaining...what a crock of Bull S Last edited by Johnny630; 08-06-2019 at 06:59 PM. |
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Would it be the 1970 hit "Vehicle?" Never heard of it. Last edited by barrysloate; 08-07-2019 at 03:47 AM. |
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I've long said I thinking pricing and valuation of the cards will change, in various ways. Even if altered card are accepted, I don't think theer will be the same cache (cash) between, say, a 9 and a 10. Another question to ponder is, if PSA can identify alterations (someday), how will they treat resubmitted cards? If they are able to identify all the alterations they previously missed, how will the deal with all the misgraded cards out there? Perhaps they hope they are unable to better identify alterations in the future. Last edited by drcy; 08-06-2019 at 04:19 PM. |
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For this reason, even if PSA somehow overcomes the legal hurdle of patent infringement and manages to come up with a way to compete with a new company that uses the latest technology, I would think the new company would have a huge leg up, as who in his/her right mind would prefer PSA over this new company for purposes of reevaluating a PSA card? Last edited by benjulmag; 08-06-2019 at 05:34 PM. |
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Some people are saying "PSA will do this," "Registry will do that."
However, if the FBI and criminal prosecutions involving false grading are involved, the question will be how much say will PSA and Registry people in it? PSA may hope "Let's hope it all just blows over and people accept altered cards," and Registry people may say the same. However, if the FBI says these altered cards and the selling thereof (as non-alerted) is a criminal offense, and all these misgraded cards in the Registry are products of criminal or whatever behavior, PSA and Registry won't be able to just ignore it-- certainly not at resale time and grading time. I think their hands will be forced. At the least, the altered cards will have to be overtly labelled as altered (How the hobby prices those then is another matter), and PSA will have to address the altered cards. PSA will not be allowed to "whistle by the graveyard" or "grandfather clause" all their past mistakes . . . As I said in previous post, what does PSA now do when altered cards are resubmitted for grading? The now know many are altered, and the now know the FBI is involved. And what does the hobby as a whole now do, with so many people who resubmit cards hoping for a better grade? This all changes things a lot, and not in a way that PSA will be fond of. I firmly believe that PSA will have to address in serious fashion all the altered cards that they misgraded-- and there a ton of them, involving lots of $$ and a boatload of card owners, including wealthy Registry folk, who aren't going to be happy when their cards are addressed in serious fashion. Tell me how this isn't a problem, or at least a conundrumm (including in a legal sense), for PSA and Registry set owners? Last edited by drcy; 08-06-2019 at 06:24 PM. |
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I don't know what if any impact the current FBI involvement will have on PSA, but I can say that based on my discussions with the FBI, I got the impression that they seem well aware of the limitations of the PSA business model. Last edited by benjulmag; 08-07-2019 at 07:41 AM. |
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The link in the OP’s post starts with the following statement:
Sports Card Radio recently obtained an anonymous letter from a believed PSA insider. If what follows is true, involving some significant names in the hobby, it is really troubling. However, given the seriousness of the allegations, I would hope there is more behind it than an anonymous letter from a believed PSA insider. Anyone making these types of accusations should have to disclose their name and explain how they know these facts. Otherwise, reputations can be ruined for no reason. |
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I think it is going to take a new company with better technology to take on PSA and dethrone them as king (as least initially until this new company becomes just as corrupt over time and we're back where we started). |
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They've already demonstrated they cannot be trusted, and that their only true loyalty is to shareholders and profits. As said earlier, any new TPG that enters the fray must provide a significant point of difference, in order to survive. They cannot just emulate what PSA is doing. Perhaps this includes a radically different grading scale, or simply deeming whether a given card is altered or original. In time, I believe that many collectors would embrace it. In other words, the time is ripe for a new VEHICLE, baby! Ps. Agree completely... great tune - great memories - cringe-worthy lyrics. |
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The patent paperwork or link to it was posted here maybe a year ago by Peter Spaeth I believe? Several lawyers out of California and some former Microsoft engineers...
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