Outing my own auction lot.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Isn't that a bit different than Net 54 members calling out Brent publicly to provide us the identities of suspected shill bidders? Why would he have a problem with a consignor having the ebay identity of someone who won his lot?

Well, you won that lot, Jeff, and I asked Brent for the bidder id for an underbidder who you thought may have shilled you up. When I asked Brent for the bidder id, I told him that I would be providing this to you, which you may decide to make public. In this case, since this is Brian's auction, he's technically the consignor here, so it's up to him whether or not to divulge his bidders. His argument here is that divulging bidder identities may result in repercussions, which I would assume means these same bidders not bidding in his future auctions or perhaps even negging him.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Well, you won that lot, Jeff, and I asked Brent for the bidder id for an underbidder who you thought may have shilled you up. When I asked Brent for the bidder id, I told him that I would be providing this to you, which you may decide to make public. In this case, since this is Brian's auction, he's technically the consignor here, so it's up to him whether or not to divulge his bidders. His argument here is that divulging bidder identities may result in repercussions, which I would assume means these same bidders not bidding in his future auctions or perhaps even negging him.

Right. So because you unilaterally decided to ask Brent for the identity of the winner of the lot you consigned to him -- and he agreed -- that means that Brian should give up the identity of his bidder in a yet to be completed auction? You've lost me here.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Right. So because you unilaterally decided to ask Brent for the identity of the winner of the lot you consigned to him -- and he agreed -- that means that Brian should give up the identity of his bidder in a yet to be completed auction? You've lost me here.

Jeff, you posted a publicly in this forum that you believed that auction was shilled (Link). So I asked Brent "unilaterally" for the bidder id to try to prove that auction was not shilled. I did not have to make it known that I was the consignor for that auction, and I did, and neither did I have to unilaterally decide to provide the bidder id to you. In Brian's case, here I do understand his situation. If ebay did not mask all bidder id's, he would not be here.

[TanksAndSpartans]

I actually had this happen to me, but the bidder with 20+ bids didn't win and the card sold around market price - but when I saw all the bids long before auction end, I kind of shook my head and said people will think this is suspicious. It may not actually be a bad strategy for the buyer if it scares away bidders. But that actually doesn't help with a reservation price on the auction since its not possible to bid yourself up, the auction could just end as "reserve not met." It's also a good argument for sniping given how small the bid increments are on eBay - say someone puts a bid in and forgets about it - someone could come along and slightly outbid them by just "nibbling" them up time after time until they get ahead.

[earlywynnfan]

I've had a couple bidders like this, too. None won my auctions, and I actually emailed a regular buyer just to let him know I had no idea what the guy was doing.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Jeff, you posted a publicly in this forum that you believed that auction was shilled (Link). So I asked Brent "unilaterally" for the bidder id to try to prove that auction was not shilled. I did not have to make it known that I was the consignor for that auction, and I did, and neither did I have to unilaterally decide to provide the bidder id to you. In Brian's case, here I do understand his situation. If ebay did not mask all bidder id's, he would not be here.

So Brent is willing to give out the names of the bidders in his auctions? Because unlike Brian, Brent has been caught lying on Net 54, used misleading scans in his auctions and his auctions are filled with bad bidders. If he's willing to provide the ebay identities of the bidders in his auctions I'm willing to review them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

On the other hand, Brian has questionable DNA.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

So Brent is willing to give out the names of the bidders in his auctions? Because unlike Brian, Brent has been caught lying on Net 54, used misleading scans in his auctions and his auctions are filled with bad bidders. If he's willing to provide the ebay identities of the bidders in his auctions I'm willing to review them.

I can't speak for Brent, obviously, but next time, shilling is suspected in one of his auctions, I would ask him for the bidder id's and see what he says, if he is willing to give up the bidder id's like he did to me that time, or not.

Again, I'm not picking on Brian at all here. Obviously, these auctions are clean since he brought them up himself and Brian has pointed out plenty of problematic auction listings in the past. Nothing against Brian at all.

[Brian Van Horn]

Gary,

I knew you weren't picking on me and just wanted clarification.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

I can't speak for Brent, obviously, but next time, shilling is suspected in one of his auctions, I would ask him for the bidder id's and see what he says, if he is willing to give up the bidder id's like he did to me that time, or not.

Shilling is suspected in hundreds of his auctions. I'll get you a list.