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Posted By: Sean
How many people still have more home runs than barry bonds? Just Sadaharu Oh and Josh Gibson? |
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Posted By: MikeU
Yes, but those are pretty apples to organges comparisons. Particularly for Gibson. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Has there ever been an estimate of the number of homers Josh Gibson hit while playing in the Negro Leagues? I'm not counting exhibition games. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Nope. Nobody has ever tried to make an estimate. Most baseball fans just aren't that interested in statistics. |
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Posted By: PAS
I read in today's paper Oh allegedly used a "compressed" bat. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I heard he rubbed his arms down with what his trainer told him was teriyaki sauce. |
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Posted By: Justin
The quality of play in Japanese baseball wasn't anywhere close to MLB, ditto the Negro Leagues. Also the Japanese ballparks were typically smaller than anything in the Majors. |
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Posted By: Bobby Binder
If we are going to talk about ballpark size the parks where much bigger in the days Ruth played. I saw a show that plotted all of Ruth's fly balls and if played in todays stadiums in 1927 would have 108 HR's. As well as over 1000 for his career. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Where did you see this? Unless their is video of every at bat, there is no way to know where every hit went. When research was done to try and figure out how many HRs Ruth would have had if played until the conditions Jimmy Foxx did when he hit 58 and how many Foxx would have hit in when Ruth hit 60, they had a difficult time finding out exactly where the HR were hit, it would be really interesting to know how someone one was able to plot all his fly balls. Sound like more myth than reality to me. |
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Posted By: rob
I'm not sure what video the person above is describing,but I just finished reading a very well-researched book (new in stores),titled "The Year babe Ruth hit 104 Home Runs",or something like that (dont have access to it as I'm at work). Pretty much tracks his homers as much as possible over his career,and it was very convincing. Worth reading... |
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Posted By: James Feagin
"The quality of play in Japanese baseball wasn't anywhere close to MLB, ditto the Negro Leagues. Also the Japanese ballparks were typically smaller than anything in the Majors." |
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Posted By: PAS
A nice column on Oh -- which mentions his compressed bats. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
davidcycle- that made me laugh out loud |
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Posted By: JK
Yes Justin, please back up that statement. From the article Peter posted: |
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Posted By: Chad
Oh had some advantages, but the season in Japan is shorter, too. As for Gibson, he hit about 250 official homeruns which may not seem like a lot, but you have to remember: |
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Posted By: Mark
Oh's record is all the more impressive given that he compiled more than 200 home runs more than the second Japanese career home run leader (who had 657). That is dominance. |
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Posted By: Justin
I am not arguing that there was not talented players in both the Negro Leagues and Japanese Leagues. |
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Posted By: Pcelli60
Hey Justin when are you going to learn that in this forum the Negro Leagues are a subject that has immunity when it comes to any critical examination that may even remotely be negative .In fact I put myself in a danger zone when I was expressed my belief( responsibly and respectfully) that Buck O'neil was a fine fellow but not a HOFer..Who knows how many HR's Gibson hit or games Page won. Does it really matter? The legend is all that counts.. |
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Posted By: Chad
I don't recall anyone here saying Buck was a HOFer based on his playing career. He pretty clearly isn't. His arguments for induction center on his role as a pioneer as the first black coach in MLB. |
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Posted By: Justin
Chad, I agree with you about there being alot of talent in the Negro Leagues, but the problem with comparing the Negro Leagues to the Majors is that there really isn't an effective way to do so. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
Jay wrote (re. larger parks and Ruth's HR numbers): |
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Posted By: howard
There is no question that the quality of play in the United States is and has been superior to that in Japan. The number of players who thrived Japan after they could no longer hit American pitching or young players who NEVER could hit in America is a long one. Roberto Petagine, Randy Bass, Orestes Destrade, Tuffy Rhodes, Charlie Manuel, Leron Lee and Leon Lee were all among the greatest hitters in Japanese baseball. As a group they were worse than mediocre in the States. Has there been an unsuccessful Japanese hitter that came to America and suddenly thrived? No, they have all been less productive in the American major leagues, even Ichiro. |
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