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Posted By: Sean
hey guys im back when i was gone i did ALOT of reading and i mean ALOT so here they are im sorry there alot of questions |
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Posted By: Sean
sorry about the double of the link to the website |
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Posted By: Sean
anybody have answers to these question very helpful if you do have them please! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Sean- that's a lot of questions, not all that can be answered precisely. Collectors generally consider trade cards and most CdV's to be baseball cards. Nobody knows the exact date of the Jim Creighton Peck and Snyder. I don't know whose T206 set is better. Hang on, I'm catching my breath......what were the other questions? I have to go back and look. The Little Pretty Pocketbook includes just an illustration, they are not identifiable and they are certainly children. And finally...you know there is no such word as "sended"- come on, spend an extra minute to check what you wrote before you hit the "send" button. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I consider trade cards as baseball cards. CDVs are baseball cards if they have advertising them or were sold commercially to the public. All baseball CDVs are collectable, but not all are baseball cards. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
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Posted By: Jerry
Unbelievably great CDV, Hal |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
At the far right in the black suit is Hall of Famer Henry Chadwick, the "Father of Baseball." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
McBride pitched for the Athletics for something like 14 seasons. He was already pretty important when this photograph was taken. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
i think the answer to #6 is no...they cannot and will never be identified. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have a copy of the The Little Pretty Pocket Book... |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
Great piece, Hal. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Sean: regarding what counts as a baseball card - each collector determines that for himself. There is no rulemaker who establishes the guidelines for collecting in this hobby. |
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Posted By: Sean
well ill answer your question in a sec after i get my answer to these 2 what is the earlies baseball CDV and earliest baseball trade card |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
While you are at it, Sean, take a look at Leon's Newsboys card in the National Pick Ups thread, and let me know if you agree with me that it is not a baseball card. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Sean- the earliest baseball CdV we know is the 1861 Brooklyn Atlantics; the earliest trade card pictures Jim Creighton, probably around 1865. Hal's CdV is wonderful and early but my best guess is it is no earlier than 1864, and perhaps even a year or two later. Other than Chadwick none of the players have beards, a good sign that it might even be post civil war. The very earliest players often sported rather long beards. Not scientific, just an observation. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Barry has proven that my card is from 1855... since the players had not even BEGUN to grow their long beards yet! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
That's it-they all had five o'clock shadow and hadn't even grown them yet. The fact that CdV's weren't invented until after 1855 should never stand in the way of a good story! |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
I can't find any match between the Athletic and the Resolute prior to the one they played on July 28, 1864. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I don't, and your dating it to 1864-65 I think is right on the money. One curiousity is there are well under 18 players pictured. Where did everybody else go? It seems like a formal pose yet was assembled haphazardly. |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
Barry, I remember reading that there's another known copy of this CDV. |
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Posted By: Sean
did the p&s creighton card sold for advertising or sold commericaily to the public??????? |
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Posted By: Seth B.
Isn't 11:20 past your bedtime there? |
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Posted By: Paul
By 1869, Peck & Snyder was giving away or selling cards with team pictures on them. I think these would be true baseball cards by anyone's definition. I don't know whether the 1861 team card or early 1860s Creighton was given away, sold, or what. Perhaps one of our 19th century experts has an answer. |
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Posted By: Sean
no i said were the p&s creighton card and the 186-61 Brooklyn Atlantics Card sold for advertising OR!!! sold commericaly to the public |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The 1861 Atlantics was not a trade card and contained no advertising. It was probably made to be distributed to members of the team. Jimmy- yes, there is a second copy of this CdV. I've seen it and it is in virtually mint condition. That is the only reason Hal's copy came into the market, as the owner of that one was able to upgrade. Your point about McBride joining the Resolutes photo is what we always assumed- it's tough identifying the players and it is unclear if other Athletics are pictured. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Barry, |
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