1986 Fleer Jordan vs T206 Plank

[Rhotchkiss]

I have enjoyed watching the results, and reading the comments, on the Wagner vs Mantle thread. So why not post another challenge. Neither card is mine.

The t206 plank sold in Goldin in May of 2021 for $162k

PSA 10 Jordans have been regularly selling for about $180k over the past few months (according to VCP).

Which one would you rather have and why?

[Leon]

This poll won't be as close as the last one. Plank all day and 2x on Sunday.,
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[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by Leon

This poll won't be as close as the last one. Plank all day and 2x on Sunday.,
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Make that 100x on Sunday! Plank all the way!!

[parkplace33]

The Jordan and its not close for me.

While I do understand the rarity of the Plank, I would rather have a psa 10 of the most iconic card in the last 40 years.

[jingram058]

Could not care less about Jordan. If you gave it to me, gratis, I would sell it, and use the money to buy the Plank or something like a complete set of 1954 Topps, and remodel my kitchen, with money in the bank.

[Jay Wolt]

Would take the Plank & pocket the $18,000 so I could buy more cards

[Peter_Spaeth]

Third year Jordan card is SO overrated. The 101 should have been accepted as his RC all along. XRC indeed. Joe Orlando refusing to grade them indeed.

[Casey2296]

I like rare cards and I like baseball cards so the decision is easy. Post this on a basketball forum and you'll get the opposite results.

[jcmtiger]

Of course Plank, but would have loved to find the Jordan in a pack and sell it. Lol

[brianp-beme]

I went with Plank, because Eddie had a lifetime batting average of .206 in 17 years in the major leagues, while Michael had a .202 batting average in his one season in AA ball.

Although I hear Eddie's 3 point game was pretty lame.

Brian

[LEHR]

I'd definitely rather have the Plank.
While I completely understand the hype of Jordan, I'd personally never choose a card printed when I was in 6th grade over a 110+ year old somewhat rarity.
On top of that, while I love high grade cards I do not personally buy or collect PSA 10's as I feel that the prices most bring are absurd. The few vintage PSA 10's I've been lucky to land on submissions were sold as fast as I could get them back and replaced with 8's or 9's.

[Johnny630]

Plank

[Rhotchkiss]

Wow, mercy rule already. I am not at all surprised by the poll or the comments. However, I was surprised by the Mantle 8 v trimmed Wagner poll. Somehow I thought a badly trimmed Wagner vs PSA 8 mantle was a comparable challenge to a Plank 3 and a Jordan 10; I get that Jordan is basketball while Mantle is baseball, but this is the prewar section and I really thought more people who frequent this section would take the Wagner.

[oldjudge]

Plank means nothing to me and Jordan is the greatest B-Ball player ever. I'll take the Jordan.

[CobbSpikedMe]

This one was easy. Plank all day long. I'm not attracted to the Jordan rookie at all and have always loved the Plank. I do think Phil had a good point that if this poll was posted on a basketball card forum it would likely get a different consensus.



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[pawpawdiv9]

I walk the Plank here.

[babraham]

Plank for me, without hesitation.
I have a lowly PSA 7 Jordan in my collection already, and that's easily good enough for me. A Plank in any condition would be more difficult for me to afford.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I went with Plank, because Eddie had a lifetime batting average of .206 in 17 years in the major leagues, while Michael had a .202 batting average in his one season in AA ball.

Haha!

[sycks22]

Rarity and the fact that the price doesn't fluctuate with the wind. I'll take the Plank easily.

[bmattioli]

Plank. You can still pull a Jordan but you ain't no way pulling a Plank..

[txaggie00]

Plank hands down for me. In addition to the rarity, one of my favorite cards in the T206 set and at the top of my want list.

[G1911]

Classic tobacco SP > 3rd year modern.

Most of the hobby would disagree, but the answer is writ by the subset of the audience here.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I like rare cards and I like baseball cards so the decision is easy. Post this on a basketball forum and you'll get the opposite results.

+1 Agree.
but to me the rarity of the plank over the quantity of the Jordan 10 and Vintage over Modern and Baseball over Basketball

[BearBailey]

Plank. There are so many Jordan’s compared to it.

[hcv123]

including an eye toward the future maintenance of value. I voted for the 52 Mantle over the Wagner. Here I am taking the Plank - there are currently 319 PSA 10 Jordan's with the possibility of new ones still out there. While I do think the 86 Fleer card will remain a greater iconic Jordan card than the 84 Star (Similar to 52 Topps Mantle Vs. 51 Bowman Rookie), with a population that large there is a lot greater possibility that this card swings wildly - are there 319 people willing to pay $160K+ for a PSA 10 Jordan? How about in 10 years? 79 PSA Plank's + another 10 SGC. A lot safer card imho. An interesting experiment would be to run a similar poll with a younger generation of collectors - I suspect it would turn out vastly different.

[philliesfan]

Easily the Plank. How many Jordan 10's are out there......with how many more possibly eligible to upgrade or in sealed packs/boxes compared to how many
total Planks there are.
Bob

[Bigdaddy]

I'd take the Plank, but it's not a no-brainer. If you held this contest outside your LCS, I think the numbers would be different, by a large margin.

[Powell]

Plank

[Neal]

Plank. I think that values long enough so I could list in the next REA auction to buy other cards.

The 86 Jordan is the recognized RC of the GOAT and far more iconic than the Plank, so I would buy a nicely centered 8 with the proceeds

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[rjackson44]

Jordan

[TobaccoKing4]

I personally would prefer the Plank from a PC standpoint but if I were buying the card that I thought would increase in value more over the next 10-15 years I’d go with the Jordan.

[Rich Falvo]

I'd probably pick the Plank, but I'd consider the Jordan if only for the fact that I like to show and share my cards and I think the Jordan would get a much better reaction when shown to non-collectors.

[Fred]

Probably should add some basic conditions to the vote selectdion. I'd guess that people would take the Jordan 10 if they could sell it and buy the Plank and have a few bucks left over. I voted Plank because there have got to be a load of Jordan's out there in all conditions.

[pokerplyr80]

As this is prewar forum the results are not surprising. I am one of the few that would take the Jordan. Current prices are way off the peak value, and will go back up. I don't know much about the modern basketball market, but it's world wide and much bigger than prewar baseball. I would be willing to bet anyone that a psa 10 jordan hits 500k again at auction before a psa 3 plank.

[Bicem]

If I were guaranteed prices between the two would always be about the same I'd probably take the Jordan and pass it down to my son Jordan.

Two very overrated cards in my opinion.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

For me it’s the Jordan.

As a kid in the 80’s and 90’s I remember hearing about the exploding value of that card. And as we all watched Jordan’s incredible career play out, that just increased the mystique of that card. To me, the Jordan is desirable, and it is a card I would love to have in my collection to look at, show off, and enjoy.

I collect prewar baseball cards, but don’t really collect t206 (I have a handful).

The only reason I know about the Plank and it’s value is because of knowledgeable collectors like you guys. But I have no ‘connection’ to it or a true desire for it. The value of the Plank to me would be purely monetary, but owning a Jordan would actually “mean” something to me if that makes sense.

Good poll and good discussion!

[JimC]

I collect modern and pre war and I love both cards. For me it comes down to this: I can take the Plank and be happy with a clean, centered PSA 9 Jordan (or even a Beckett 9.5) I can pic up later at a fraction of the cost.

[chriskim]

let's step back..... U can get a beat up Jordan RC for less than $1k and u probably won't enjoy that Jordan as much as a beat up Plank which would cost min of $10k. You would be glad of owning a Plank in any condition. (I understand it is a budget issue....)

[Carter08]

Jordan but close. Goat versus eh. Not fully into t206 like others but no get it.

[Johnny630]

I wonder which one 20 years from now would sell for more?

[ullmandds]

Never been a condition collector. There are theoretically hundreds… maybe thousands of Jordan fleer rookies that could grade 10…or 9 depending on the day and the grader… and literally tens of thousands of this card in existence if not more.

How many t206 planks are there?

[CobbSpikedMe]

I love how these types of hypothetical discussions always bring up which card would sell for more money in the future. I know not everyone based their choice on values, but many did. I just think about which one I would rather have. I don't care about the current or future value of either card. There are a million Jordan rookies out there and (which sometimes seems like) a million of them are graded 9 or 10. Not a big deal card for me. Yes, he was the greatest basketball player ever. But the Plank has more hobby history and lore behind it. Take money out of the decision and which one would you rather own?



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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I love how these types of hypothetical discussions always bring up which card would sell for more money in the future. I know not everyone based their choice on values, but many did. I just think about which one I would rather have. I don't care about the current or future value of either card. There are a million Jordan rookies out there and (which sometimes seems like) a million of them are graded 9 or 10. Not a big deal card for me. Yes, he was the greatest basketball player ever. But the Plank has more hobby history and lore behind it. Take money out of the decision and which one would you rather own?
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The Plank. And not just because he had a higher batting average than Jordan.

When it comes down to it, I will always take a 100+ year old card, even a common, over one that was issued when I was already an adult.

Brian (and baseball is better than basketball, and as a bonus for those that have difficulties spelling longer words, baseball has two fewer letters in its name)

[Touch'EmAll]

If someone gave me $ 180.k to spend on a card - either the Plank or Jordan, I would ask if I could go off the board for something else.

However, not all PSA 10 Jordan's are created equal. The one presented here with pic has too much subtle white showing on the side edges for me to be happy with the "10" grade. I would probably take a high end for the grade PSA 10 Jordan if those were my only 2 choices.

[NATCARD]

If money were not the issue it is Plank infinitely. The Jordan is available just about every day somewhere in a 10 for auction while the Plank has a total pop of 79 and may come up for sale in any grade 1 or 2 times a year. The pop as of today is 319 Jordans in 10's on PSA pop.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

If someone gave me $ 180.k to spend on a card - either the Plank or Jordan, I would ask if I could go off the board for something else.

However, not all PSA 10 Jordan's are created equal. The one presented here with pic has too much subtle white showing on the side edges for me to be happy with the "10" grade. I would probably take a high end for the grade PSA 10 Jordan if those were my only 2 choices.

I always think to myself, I want the best 10 I can get. Maybe even an 11!

[Snowman]

I like the Jordan RC more than the Plank, but I have zero interest in playing the PSA 10 premium game. There are so many Jordan 9s that are every bit as good or better as half of the 10s. I have two dead centered 9s. I'm more than happy with those, and somehow, they're 10% of the price. I'm taking the Plank over the Jordan 10 every time.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I love how these types of hypothetical discussions always bring up which card would sell for more money in the future. I know not everyone based their choice on values, but many did. I just think about which one I would rather have. I don't care about the current or future value of either card. There are a million Jordan rookies out there and (which sometimes seems like) a million of them are graded 9 or 10. Not a big deal card for me. Yes, he was the greatest basketball player ever. But the Plank has more hobby history and lore behind it. Take money out of the decision and which one would you rather own?



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Most of us dont spend $180k on a card often, if ever. If we're assuming either someone is giving us this money, or we have to come up with it, future resale value is relevant.

If I was spending 180k of my own money on a card to keep for my collection without concern for resale value it would either be a 16 Ruth or a t210 Jackson.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I love how these types of hypothetical discussions always bring up which card would sell for more money in the future.
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As the Wu said, cash rules everything around me. Hobby interest is more around profit than the cards now, evidently for the better in the eyes of most.

[JollyElm]

Despite people's reasoning (we all know the ONLY real reason is dollars), it truly saddens me that so many 'collectors' would pick an overproduced 'new' card over an illustrious and legendary must-have card from an ancient, lost time when cards were inserted into tobacco products. Bummer.

[Rad_Hazard]

A 3rd year Jordan card or a T206 Plank? Easy, Plank ALL DAY.

If that was Jordan's actual RC (1984 Star) in a PSA 10 I might think twice if I was drinking, but doubtful.