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Old 12-02-2012, 06:28 PM
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Default Comparison of checklists for T215-1 RED CROSS set vs "PIRATE" set

The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It's essentially comprised of T206 subjects from the 350-only series, 350/460 series,
and 460-only series.....and, one subject from the 150/350 series.

T206 "experts" are quite puzzled that American Lithographic (ALC) included this lone 150/350 series card of Mathewson (white cap) in
the RED CROSS set....and, even more puzzling is why ALC apparently omitted Cobb from their T215 "PIRATE" set.



These cards were issued in 2 series. The 1st series of 48 (or 36) subjects in 1910. The 2nd series of 48 (or 60) subjects in the Spring of 1912.

The T215 cards were printed at ALC. The RED CROSS cards were shipped to the Lorillard plant (Factory #10) in Jersey City (NJ), and inserted
into the Red Cross tobacco products. A large find of Red Cross cards occurred some years back in the Louisiana area. The "Pirate" cards were
shipped to Bristol, England to the W.D. & H.O. Willis Tobacco Co. and inserted in their PIRATE cigarette packs, which were exported to the Far
East.

Some uncertainty exists with respect to this T215-1 RED CROSS list. However, a 96-card "complete" set of the "PIRATE" Tobacco cards, has
been confirmed. By cross-referencing the RED CROSS set and the "PIRATE" set, a close match exists between the fronts of these two White-
Bordered, Brown-Captioned sets (with several exceptions in team identifications).


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RED CROSS..... 96 subjects .................................................. ............... "PIRATE"..... 96 subjects (plus Byrne variation)

Ames (hands above head)............................................. ..........................Ames (hands above head)
Baker............................................. .................................................. ..Baker
Ball (Cleveland)....................................... ..............................................Ball
Bender (no trees)............................................ ......................................Bender
Bridwell (portrait-cap).............................................. ..............................Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)......................................... ......................................M. Brown (Chicago)
Byrne (St Louis)............................................ ........................................Byrne (St Louis)
NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Byrne Pittsburg
Camnitz (arm at side)............................................. ................................Camnitz
Chance (yellow portrait)......................................... ................................Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (trophy).......................................... ...........................................Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)......................................... ....................................... NO PRINT.
Ed Collins (A's)............................................. ..........................................Ed Collins (A's)
Conroy (bat)............................................. ................................................. NO PRINT
Crandall (portrait-cap).............................................. ..............................Crandall (portrait-cap)
Crawford (bat)............................................. .........................................Crawford (bat)
Cree.............................................. .................................................. ...Cree
Davis (A's)............................................. .............................................Davis (A's)
Devore............................................ .................................................. ..Devore
Donlin (bat) Pittsburg .................................................. .........................Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)............................................. ............................................Doolan (bat)
NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Doolan (fielding)
Dougherty (arm in air) .................................................. ...........................Dougherty (arm in air)
L. Doyle (bat)............................................. ............................................L. Doyle (bat)
L. Doyle (portrait)........................................ ............................................L. Doyle (portrait)
Dubuc............................................. .................................................. ...Dubuc
Elberfeld (fielding)........................................ .........................................Elberfeld (fielding)
NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky).............................................. ...............................Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford.............................................. .................................................. ....Ford
Fromme............................................ .................................................. ..Fromme
Griffith (bat) Washington .................................................. .....................Griffith (bat)
NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Groom
Hartsel Toledo .................................................. .....................................Hartsel
Herzog New York, NL .................................................. ...........................Herzog
Hoblitzel......................................... .................................................. ....Hoblitzell
Hofman............................................ .................................................. ..Hofman
Howard............................................ .................................................. ..Howard
Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL .................................................. ................Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands/mouth)............................................ ................................Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hummel............................................ .................................................. ..Hummel
Jennings (one hand)............................................. ...................................Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)............................................ ...................................Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)........................................ ..........................................Johnson (pitching)
Kelley............................................ .................................................. ......Kelley
Konetchy (glove low).............................................. .................................Konetchy (glove low)
Krause............................................ .................................................. ....Krause
Lajoie (bat)............................................. .................................................. Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)............................................. .............................................Lake (no ball)
Latham............................................ .................................................. ....... NO PRINT
Leifield (bat)............................................. .................................................. Leifield (bat)
Lord.............................................. .................................................. ..........Lord
Magee (bat)............................................. .................................................. Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)........................................ .........................................Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)........................................ ..........................................Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (white cap).............................................. .................................. NO PRINT
Mathewson (dark cap).............................................. ................................Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity......................................... .................................................. ....McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap).............................................. ...............................McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)........................................... ...........................................McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL)............................................... .......Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL)
Harry McIntyre Chicago Nat'l .................................................. ..................... NO PRINT
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)......................................... .................................Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
NO PRINT .................................................. ...........................................Matty McIntyre Chicago AL
McLean............................................ .................................................. ...McLean
Merkle (throwing)........................................ ...........................................Merkle (throwing)
Meyers............................................ .................................................. ...Meyers
Miller............................................ .................................................. ......Miller
NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Mitchell (Cinci)
Mowrey St Louis NL .................................................. ..............................Mowrey
Mullin(bat)....................................... .................................................. ....Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)............................................. ...........................................Murphy (bat)
Murray............................................ .................................................. ...Murray
Oakes St Louis NL .................................................. ...............................Oakes
Oldring (bat)............................................. ...........................................Oldring (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)............................................ ................................O'Leary (hands/knees)
Paskert........................................... .................................................. ..Paskert
Pelty (vertical)........................................ .............................................Pelty (vertical)
Purtell........................................... .................................................. ...Purtell
Quinn............................................. .................................................. ..Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)............................................ ...................................Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)........................................ ..........................................Rucker (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington)...................................... .....................................Schaefer
Schulte (back view)............................................. ..................................Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)........................................... ........................................Sheckard (glove)
Frank Smith Cincinnati .................................................. ........................Frank Smith Cincinnati
Speaker........................................... .................................................. .Speaker
Stahl (glove)........................................... .............................................Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat) St. Louis NL .................................................. ................Steinfeldt (bat)
Street............................................ .................................................. ..Street
NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Summers
Sweeney (New York AL)............................................... ..........................Sweeney (New York AL)
Tannehill (Chicago AL)............................................... .............................Tannehill (Chicago)
NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Thomas
Tinker (bat)............................................. ............................................Tinker (bat)
Wagner (bat on right)............................................ .................................Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop............................................ .................................................. .Warhop
Wheat............................................. .................................................. ..Wheat
Doc White (pitching)........................................ ........................................... NO PRINT
Willetts.......................................... .................................................. ....Willetts
Wilson............................................ .................................................. ....Wilson
Wiltse (portrait-cap).............................................. .................................Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (pitching)........................................ ...........................................Wiltse (pitching)
Cy Young (glove)........................................... ............................................ NO PRINT


TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912 that are reflected on these T215-1 cards.

Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909
Mike Donlin...................from Boston NL to Pittsburg on February 17, 1912
Clark Griffith.................signed a contract to manage Washington in Oct 1911
Topsy Hartsel...............signed by Toledo (A A) in the Fall of 1911
Buck Herzog.................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911
Miller Huggins (port).......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Harry McIntyre..............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910
Matty McIntyre.............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911
Mike Mowrey.................from Cinci to St Louis NL on August 22, 1909
Rebel Oakes..................from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Frank Smith..................from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911
Harry Steinfeldt............1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL


The RED CROSS checklist is still a work in progress; therefore, I would appreciate any updates to it. Especially, I am looking for more team
changes....that are different from the original T206 captions.

Also, please continue to post your RED CROSS (and "PIRATE") cards here......or, tell us about them. This would especially be appreciated in
trying to get a better understanding of the cards in the RED CROSS set.


TED Z

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