Could be the first 1955 Mascot Dog Food Cards of Mantle and Berra. Any Info?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by chuckw

PSA told me they would only grade the cards if they had a checklist for the set and they don't have a checklist. I've never heard that before - anyone else? I thought they'd love to have their name on rare cards like this and would do a little research if it's something they've never seen.

I've talked to many vintage, Mantle, and regional collectors and there is very little known about this set and these cards. I will keep everyone posted as I find out more. I also appreciate the many generous offers for the cards (especially the Mantle), but if I sell them it will be via auction. Right now, I'm just focused on finding out more information regarding the cards (a checklist would be great but that may be very unlikely). Thanks again everyone!

By the way - the Mascot Dog Food Label that I posted was just from a label I found doing an internet search - it was not from the year of these cards.

One would think that any TPG could look at the previous cards, compare, and grade these. I understand they want to be careful but if they can hold one of these in their hands, with all of their equipment they have and not be able to tell if it is real or not, then I am not sure what to say. Pathetic?

[stlcardsfan]

I would also check with SGC and Beckett.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Leon

One would think that any TPG could look at the previous cards, compare, and grade these. I understand they want to be careful but if they can hold one of these in their hands, with all of their equipment they have and not be able to tell if it is real or not, then I am not sure what to say. Pathetic?

They are finicky about grading new items for some reason. I have one card that is catalogued (it's a multi sport set) in a legitimate hockey card guide and they refuse. The kicker is that the photo of my exact Mantle card was even used as the illustration in the book. It's frustrating to say the least, especially when it makes such a substantial difference in the price of the item to the general market.

[Rich Klein]

Back in the day when I was at Beckett, there would be cards that PSA would not grade until Beckett listed them. It had to do with information paucity.

Personally, I would contact Joe at PSA (or whomever you are comfortable with) and send a link of this thread so they have a ton of relevant information.

Believe it or not, most of the people involved in the hobby in positions such as that do not read and memorize every single thread on Net 54

Rich

[chuckw]

Beckett's vintage graders were able to do research, grade the cards, and add the cards and brand to their catalogue and database!! Also, there is a lot of speculation that these cards were made in 1951 or 1952 (Beckett labeled the cards as "1950s Mascot Dog Food" cards). Check out the Yogi Berra card - it is the photo that was used to create the 1950 Bowman Yogi Berra card! Thanks Beckett!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by chuckw

Beckett's vintage graders were able to do research, grade the cards, and add the cards and brand to their catalogue and database!! Also, there is a lot of speculation that these cards were made in 1951 or 1952 (Beckett labeled the cards as "1950s Mascot Dog Food" cards). Check out the Yogi Berra card - it is the photo that was used to create the 1950 Bowman Yogi Berra card! Thanks Beckett!

Now that you got Beckett to slab them are you going to try to cross them over to PSA?

[swarmee]

Great update. Congrats on getting them authenticated by Beckett.

[chuckw]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Now that you got Beckett to slab them are you going to try to cross them over to PSA?

I don't think I will cross them over. I'm happy that they are slabbed and since I appreciate that Beckett did work to research and catalogue them, they deserve to be in Beckett holders for a while! I'm also pleasantly surprised to hear that they may be from 1951 or 1952, which would really make the Mantle even more amazing. A first to the market Mantle card from his Rookie era!

A lot of people have been making very nice offers, which are sincerely appreciated, but if anything, the two cards would go to auction. I will keep everyone posted.

[bswhiten]

The Mantle image looks like the same one used on the 51 Wheaties premium... I believe I read the image was taken from the 52 world series, but someone else may know more about that.

[JUrsaner]

Originally Posted by Leon

One would think that any TPG could look at the previous cards, compare, and grade these. I understand they want to be careful but if they can hold one of these in their hands, with all of their equipment they have and not be able to tell if it is real or not, then I am not sure what to say. Pathetic?

Agree with that!

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by JUrsaner

Agree with that!

I do not. This would mean they are assuming Beckett got it right. Why should PSA rely on the inferior experts at Beckett? Makes no sense to me. I have no issue with a company deciding it does or does not wish to grade an issue. There are issues I feel are very questionable in some companies holders. I do believe the find chuck made a couple years ago was genuine but PSA should be able to make the determination on what they grade and what criteria need to be met to grade an added issue or card to the catalogs.

[sflayank]

So has anyone heard from pbruderer yet
No response to email or pm
No response on this board
Anyone think he's real? Whats his name?
Wheres he located,?
Still interesting just happens to show up same time as wheatland with the same unknown cards

[etsmith]

I believe many would argue about "inferior experts" at Beckett compared to PSA. Especially in light of PSA's recent problems.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by etsmith

I believe many would argue about "inferior experts" at Beckett compared to PSA. Especially in light of PSA's recent problems.

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..PSA has been having problems with older cards for a long time...

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[glynparson]

Data entry is. Not done by the graders. I stand by my statement. Beckett grading is. Not reliable I trust it less than any company that I know is still
Operating. They all aren’t perfect but to me Beckett is the farthest from it.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I do not. This would mean they are assuming Beckett got it right. Why should PSA rely on the inferior experts at Beckett? Makes no sense to me. I have no issue with a company deciding it does or does not wish to grade an issue. There are issues I feel are very questionable in some companies holders. I do believe the find chuck made a couple years ago was genuine but PSA should be able to make the determination on what they grade and what criteria need to be met to grade an added issue or card to the catalogs.

As I understand it they generally don't make up their own minds, insisting that a card already be cataloged somewhere first.

To me that's not an expertise that anyone would be inferior to.

[Orioles1954]

A couple of years ago I got a call out of the blue from PSA regarding an issue that I discovered and got put in the Standard Guide. About a month LATER I got another call from PSA regarding another issue I got cataloged in the Standard Guide. When I asked to be put on the payroll they hung up and haven't heard from them since

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I actually put together the composite for 1932 Bulgaria Sport for PSA because I wanted it included in the registry.

[sflayank]

So has anyone heard from pbruderer
Never posted any response....never answered any emails or pm
Was he real or a plant by an auction house
Where are the cards?
Btw...offered him in email a ton of green And he didn't respond

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I do not. This would mean they are assuming Beckett got it right. Why should PSA rely on the inferior experts at Beckett? Makes no sense to me. I have no issue with a company deciding it does or does not wish to grade an issue. There are issues I feel are very questionable in some companies holders. I do believe the find chuck made a couple years ago was genuine but PSA should be able to make the determination on what they grade and what criteria need to be met to grade an added issue or card to the catalogs.

Beckett and PSA seem to do their homework more than SGC nowadays, to me.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say on the subject. Not that that matters, just another opinion.

And this person claiming to have a set is going to be suspended for now. It is a girl and I am not sure that post is on the up and up. I tried to call her but it was a voicemail and I don't leave them.....Caveat Emptor.....

[sflayank]

So where are the pictures

[sflayank]

pictures of the set which were already taken were promised 2 weeks ago
where are they

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sflayank

pictures of the set which were already taken were promised 2 weeks ago
where are they

Maybe you can subpoena them?

[chuckw]

Originally Posted by sflayank

pictures of the set which were already taken were promised 2 weeks ago
where are they

I don't think the original person who started this post has responded with their photos. I indicated that I'm finalizing a story on the Mascot cards and will post a link as soon as it is ready (involved in a lot of important environmental and hurricane response work right now but still hoping to get it finished by the end of next week). I'm trying to get information from another owner of a few Mascot cards over this weekend.